Werner vs Olson vs Nix vs Whipple vs Fisch vs Coley

[Canezum5]

Don't know why people kill Whipple. Guy was good but what pressure did Jacory have on him to cut down on stupid throws? You guys actually thought Randy would bench Jacory?

I agree. I always thought Whipple might be a decent OC who seemed bad because he was coaching under Randy. He also may have been more suited to the NFL than to college although I'm not really sure. He pretty much killed his career when he joined Randy's staff because previously he had been an extremely hot NFL offensive coordinating prospect.

No, There was no "seemed bad" whipple was bad and operated his offense without any interruption from Randy. Randy had no say so whatsoever in Whipples game planning or playcalling. HE actually ignored Randy and they didn't get along at all. Randy was a bad head coach but Whipple was an even worse offensive coordinator.

The only coach in the NFl to run a system similar to Mark was Mike Martz and he has been run out of the NFL. Jacory and Cutlers play are similar. A lot of interceptions and a lot of sacks.

That system is really predictable and it leaves qbs out to dry. It takes far too much talent to make that system successful. Thats why its dying in the NFL and isn't run at all in college.

Whipple career was not ruined for coaching under Randy. It was ruined with his terrible playcalling/coaching

 

[ThomasM]

So why can't Randy land even a coordinator job?

Don't know why people kill Whipple. Guy was good but what pressure did Jacory have on him to cut down on stupid throws? You guys actually thought Randy would bench Jacory?

I agree. I always thought Whipple might be a decent OC who seemed bad because he was coaching under Randy. He also may have been more suited to the NFL than to college although I'm not really sure. He pretty much killed his career when he joined Randy's staff because previously he had been an extremely hot NFL offensive coordinating prospect.

No, There was no "seemed bad" whipple was bad and operated his offense without any interruption from Randy. Randy had no say so whatsoever in Whipples game planning or playcalling. HE actually ignored Randy and they didn't get along at all. Randy was a bad head coach but Whipple was an even worse offensive coordinator.

The only coach in the NFl to run a system similar to Mark was Mike Martz and he has been run out of the NFL. Jacory and Cutlers play are similar. A lot of interceptions and a lot of sacks.

That system is really predictable and it leaves qbs out to dry. It takes far too much talent to make that system successful. Thats why its dying in the NFL and isn't run at all in college.

Whipple career was not ruined for coaching under Randy. It was ruined with his terrible playcalling/coaching

 

[Awesome]

So why can't Randy land even a coordinator job?

Don't know why people kill Whipple. Guy was good but what pressure did Jacory have on him to cut down on stupid throws? You guys actually thought Randy would bench Jacory?

I agree. I always thought Whipple might be a decent OC who seemed bad because he was coaching under Randy. He also may have been more suited to the NFL than to college although I'm not really sure. He pretty much killed his career when he joined Randy's staff because previously he had been an extremely hot NFL offensive coordinating prospect.

No, There was no "seemed bad" whipple was bad and operated his offense without any interruption from Randy. Randy had no say so whatsoever in Whipples game planning or playcalling. HE actually ignored Randy and they didn't get along at all. Randy was a bad head coach but Whipple was an even worse offensive coordinator.

The only coach in the NFl to run a system similar to Mark was Mike Martz and he has been run out of the NFL. Jacory and Cutlers play are similar. A lot of interceptions and a lot of sacks.

That system is really predictable and it leaves qbs out to dry. It takes far too much talent to make that system successful. Thats why its dying in the NFL and isn't run at all in college.

Whipple career was not ruined for coaching under Randy. It was ruined with his terrible playcalling/coaching

Not to defend Randy's head coaching but he's going into his 2nd year co-DC at UF now. I'm not sure why some people on here still say he's a position coach. And by the way UF fans say that Shannon is the real DC and the other co-DC is the one with the symbolic title just to increase his pay. Although the few UM fans who realize Shannon is UF's co-DC insist it's the opposite way around.

 

[Canezum5]

We've had this discussion ad nauseam on a few threads. I'm not even sure why you're asking me about Randy when the discussion is about Whipple. Both would be sorry head coaches but I digress.

Here goes....

I'll say it again, even tho I really don't want to cloud this thread with Randy crap.

Out of 120 schools. Name 10 black HC and 10 black dcs..... Trust me, ill wait.

Outside of that its public knowledge Randy turned down the defensive coordinator position at merryland. It's known he's the co dc at florida(we all know he's the real DC). It's rumored he was considered for the Michigan DC job and he recently interviewed for the ucf HC position. So it not like Randy isn't a commodity even with the high levels of discrimination in collegiate coaching.

Randy went on record and said he has been offered Dc and Hc jobs but he declines because he wants to coach somewhere that has a real opportunity to win and he wants to be a HC.

Randy has never been a snake or a liar. I have no reason to believe he would lie about something like that.

But at the end of the day collegiate coaching Is as much about connections, relationships and networking as it is skill.

Most coaches hire their boys or coaches they've met from different jobs and clinics. I'm not expecting a bunch of old white men to give Randy Shannon a call no matter how good he is. That's just the world we live in.

But there are soooo many schools out there. No coach wants to go from HC at Miami to dc at Tulane. Look at kuligowski. He had Dc opportunities before he accepted the job here and it was public news that he badly wanted to be a dc.

He chose to remain a dline coach. You know why? Because being a dline coach at a historically competitive school holds more weight than being HC at Nevada.

So please kill the whole"why doesn't Randy have this job yet" talk because you can say that about soooo many coaches its not even funny.

 

[Canezum5]

Whipple career was not ruined for coaching under Randy. It was ruined with his terrible playcalling/coaching[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Not to defend Randy's head coaching but he's going into his 2nd year co-DC at UF now. I'm not sure why some people on here still say he's a position coach. And by the way UF fans say that Shannon is the real DC and the other co-DC is the one with the symbolic title just to increase his pay. Although the few UM fans who realize Shannon is UF's co-DC insist it's the opposite way around.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.... You got to be crazy if you think Randy isnt running that defense.

 

[Awesome]

We've had this discussion ad nauseam on a few threads. I'm not even sure why you're asking me about Randy when the discussion is about Whipple. Both would be sorry head coaches but I digress.

Here goes....

I'll say it again, even tho I really don't want to cloud this thread with Randy crap.

Out of 120 schools. Name 10 black HC and 10 black dcs..... Trust me, ill wait.

Outside of that its public knowledge Randy turned down the defensive coordinator position at merryland. It's known he's the co dc at florida(we all know he's the real DC). It's rumored he was considered for the Michigan DC job and he recently interviewed for the ucf HC position. So it not like Randy isn't a commodity even with the high levels of discrimination in collegiate coaching.

Randy went on record and said he has been offered Dc and Hc jobs but he declines because he wants to coach somewhere that has a real opportunity to win and he wants to be a HC.

Randy has never been a snake or a liar. I have no reason to believe he would lie about something like that.

But at the end of the day collegiate coaching Is as much about connections, relationships and networking as it is skill.

Most coaches hire their boys or coaches they've met from different jobs and clinics. I'm not expecting a bunch of old white men to give Randy Shannon a call no matter how good he is. That's just the world we live in.

But there are soooo many schools out there. No coach wants to go from HC at Miami to dc at Tulane. Look at kuligowski. He had Dc opportunities before he accepted the job here and it was public news that he badly wanted to be a dc.

He chose to remain a dline coach. You know why? Because being a dline coach at a historically competitive school holds more weight than being HC at Nevada.

So please kill the whole"why doesn't Randy have this job yet" talk because you can say that about soooo many coaches its not even funny.

I don't believe this stuff about Randy turning down 10,000 DC jobs and the UCF head job in the least. There was such a stigma associated to him after his firing as head coach that he originally couldn't get a DC job. Yes that stigma was a little ridiculous since he as a good DC albeit God awful head coach. (2 way tie with Golden for worst in Miami history.) I think the stigma faded over time and so he got the UF DC job.

 

[Canezum5]

So you're basically saying Randy is a flat out bold faced liar. There are soo many desperate schools out there its kind of absurd to think that one of the many schools wouldn't give him a shot. Especially the Nevadas and bowling greens out there.

Never said he turned down the Hc position at ucf. Just that he interviewed. And there was no stigma. Merryland offered him the Dc job after he got canned from here so obviously it wasn't much stigma on his ability to coach a defense. And I'm sure mereyland wasn't the only school calling.

 

[ThomasM]

Whipple > Nix.

 

[Anonymous274945958675743]

Can we call come to a consensus that Patrick Nix WAS and IS the worst coordinator in the history of CFB? AND HE GOT A SECOND YEAR!!!! I remember being lucky if we got over 100 yards passing. 200 yards PASSING was unthinkable!!

 

[Anonymous274945958675743]

Out of 120 schools. Name 10 black HC and 10 black dcs..... Trust me, ill wait.
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WHAT IN THE BLUE **** DOES BLACK/WHITE HAVE TO DO WITH RANDY BEING A ****** HEAD COACH!! Jesus Christ it's like there's no difference between being a DC and a HC! Randy is/was a great Dcoordinator. And you're defending the job he did because there aren't enough black coaches? Not saying the lack of coaches/coordinators OK. But sounds like you'd rather still have Randy as coach when at best we would be a dumpster fire.

 

[Awesome]

Can we call come to a consensus that Patrick Nix WAS and IS the worst coordinator in the history of CFB? AND HE GOT A SECOND YEAR!!!! I remember being lucky if we got over 100 yards passing. 200 yards PASSING was unthinkable!!

Agree. Well I rate Olsen lower than most cuz he was awful here twice under both Coker and Erickson. So I consider him a fairly close #2 . Plus coaching under Erickson or even Coker doesn't beg the question of how good of an OC you might be under a less bad head coach quite like coaching under Shannon does.

 

[Canezum5]

Out of 120 schools. Name 10 black HC and 10 black dcs..... Trust me, ill wait.
.

WHAT IN THE BLUE **** DOES BLACK/WHITE HAVE TO DO WITH RANDY BEING A ****TY HEAD COACH!! Jesus Christ it's like there's no difference between being a DC and a HC! Randy is/was a great Dcoordinator. And you're defending the job he did because there aren't enough black coaches? Not saying the lack of coaches/coordinators OK. But sounds like you'd rather still have Randy as coach when at best we would be a dumpster fire.

Sounds like youre a fuqin idiot who is texting totally out of context and off topic.

I was asked why randy couldn't land a coordinator job. So i gave my reasons which started with the fact that he's black and black dudes don't make up much of the coordinating and Head coaching ranks. It has nothing to do with him being a ****** head coach. Because thats not what i was asked.

I cant even answer the rest of your response because its dumb af. your reading comprehension skills suck.

 

[KANE]

Anybody that don't have Nix on the bottom of this list, don't remember exactly how bad he was.

 

[DaU83]

Fisch.
Whip.
Everyone else.

Shout out to coley for being able to identify good QBs.

Fisch probably would have extended Golden's tenure here.. that guy made jacory and morris look like solid QBs. Not an easy task.

 

[nystateofmind]

Fisch
Whipple
Werner
Coley
Olsen
Nix

 

[caneinpsl]

Rank em? Sorry, can't do it. My eyes are still bleeding from reading the thread title. I had almost managed to forget some of those names. Thanks a lot OP!

 

[Golsen82]

Rank them. This has got to be the worst stretch of 6 straight offensive coordinators any team's ever had.

People seem to regard Fisch better than the other 5, but if he had stayed for Golden's whole tenure I'd assume we'd regard him just as badly as the other OCs.

Ever since Chudzinski left this has been awful.

1. Werner
2. Olson
3. Fisch
4.Coley
5.Nix
6. Whipple


Whipple was the absolute worst offensive coordinator ever. he ruined qbs like it was is job. He wanted Randys job BAD and it was obvious. They both would have been sucky head Coaches.

Yet Whipple was last OC to beat FSU...

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Dan Werner hands down. The rest were *** clowns. Miami lost 3 close games in 2004. Brock Berlin had a very good year. If he comes close to that perform in 2003, Miami wins the national championship. He was that bad in 2003 under Chud. Why Chud took him out of the shot gun after that comeback against Florida is mind boggling. Look at Kyle Wright's performance in 2005. He actually had a very good year. Miami lost two very close games before the Peach Bowl embarrassment. Wright was never the same under Olson and Nix. Coker firing Werner was a huge mistake.

 

[Pearson704]

On what grounds? He, at the very least, knew how the **** to work timeouts.

Fisch was good here, I give him that, but he didn't turn Jacory into anything other than what he always was. Morris was young under Whipple, so that does that even count as an inability to develop him? I don't think so. Whipple had one QB while he was here, and that was the pick machine.

Get out of here with that. He wanted Randy's job because he would have been better in that position than Randy. I'll never forget how he came unglued when Randy called a timeout when Whipple had the O cutting through Clemson's D before the half. Whipple didn't destroy any QBs. He never had a real one to work with here. It had to be infuriating having a head coach that didn't know how to use freaking timeouts.

1. Werner
2. Olson
3. Fisch
4.Coley
5.Nix
6. Whipple


Whipple was the absolute worst offensive coordinator ever. he ruined qbs like it was is job. He wanted Randys job BAD and it was obvious. They both would have been sucky head Coaches.

He would have been better at it? On what grounds? No way in **** that arrogant blowhard could ever relate to anything South Florida. Recruiting would have fell through the floor. Whipple would have been worst or just as bad as Randy.

Whipple destroyed qbs. FOH with that nonsense. No qb would have thrived under Whipple. The air Coryell system just doesn't work without all- world tackles and an all world RB. Whipple system was a detriment to the talent base like donofrio's was.

Fisch took the same broken qbs that whipple couldn't do anything with and turned them into serviceable/better players. Great coaches MAKE things work. Whipple was terrible.

I shouldn't even entertain that nonsense bro. We both know it takes more than managing timeouts to be a good HC. Les Miles hasn't managed timeouts well his entire career. Is that stopping him from running a successful program?

Stop it. Whipple was terrible and would have never done any more than Randy. If you think managing timeouts makes you hc material then ........

You're talking out of your ***. Jacory never completed 60% of his passes under Whipple and never threw less than 10 interceptions.
First year with Fisch he hits 65% completion with 20td to 9ints with a QBR of 150.6

Whipple coached Stephen for one year and he threw 7 tds to 9ints. Those stats, just like jacorys' are indicative of Whipple's lack of development but mostly playcalling and formations/set use.

Whipples best game here was vs Oklahoma when both our Rbs churned out 100 yards on their defense. He never called plays like that again.

I like Whipple's TE screens. Seems like he had creative elements to his system that he couldn't cater to the local talent. I don't think he was worse than Pat Nix, however. That guy was awful. And to be honest, Jacory and the circumstances of that staff could have made a lot of OCs look bad early on. People have to understand the HC may influence a lot of game-planning and OCs freedom to runt he offense.

As far as how bad Al or Randy were...Their budgets weren't enough to get top-end assistants. Not to say they were great CEOs, but I remember nobody wanted to coach for Randy. Give Randy the budget and resources Richt has and we would have seen better from him. Give it to Al and we get the same result, because he was too emotionally invested in his poor scheme and assistant coaches.



anyway, I'm happy we are past that.

 

[Canezum5]

Dan Werner hands down. The rest were *** clowns. Miami lost 3 close games in 2004. Brock Berlin had a very good year. If he comes close to that perform in 2003, Miami wins the national championship. He was that bad in 2003 under Chud. Why Chud took him out of the shot gun after that comeback against Florida is mind boggling. Look at Kyle Wright's performance in 2005. He actually had a very good year. Miami lost two very close games before the Peach Bowl embarrassment. Wright was never the same under Olson and Nix. Coker firing Werner was a huge mistake.

Agreed. That's why he's my number 1. Def. Better than Fisch.