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Week 13 Stat Roll

OrangeBowlMagic said:
Eh. I think last year was "more fun" just from a pure excitement perspective. Every game was a breakneck roller coaster. This year is probably less stressful, but last year was pretty **** exciting. Not necessarily always in a good way though, obviously.
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That’s why this year is more fun to me lol
 
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Fart Keyhole said:
Huh- I expected balanced and rational analysis from F-MarioCristobal.

JayCane- stick to jocksniffing and cryptic posts during recruiting season.
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Have I ever been cryptic in recruiting discussions? I’m usually the one that says it blatantly.

But I don’t follow recruiting anymore so you won’t have to worry about it 😘
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
It’s not the worst LG/C combo in America. That’s beyond absurd.

The run push is the one thing I think that’s been the most stark difference from last year to this year. I’ve been saying it for months. We were top 10 last year in yards before contact. We are in the 100s this year.
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Yeah I think worst in Merica is a big exaggeration, but his point without the hyperbole is sound I think. LG/C was pretty bad in the run game (especially relative to last year) for a while there when we were struggling. Think McCoy has played better in both run & pass as of late, and Samson better in the run game. Point about missing Martinez has merit too. Would be less of a burden on Fletcher and there's no comp between Martinez and Brown, IMO.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
As always, these are only numbers from FBS vs FBS competition.

Offense:

Yards per play: 30th (6.18 YPP)
Yards per game: 32nd (415.1 YPG)
Points per game: 23rd (32.6 PPG)
Passing yards per game: 27th (269.0 YPG)
Passing completion percentage: 2nd (72.7%)
Passing yards per attempt: 16th (8.6 YPA)
Passer rating: 9th (161.82)
Passing TDs: 21st (21 TDs)
Interceptions: 79th (9 INTs)
Rushing yards per game: 71st (146.1 YPG)
Rushing yards per attempt: 83rd (4.05 YPA)
Rushing TDs: 47th (18)
Sacks given up per game: 6th (0.70 per game)
First Downs per game: 43rd (21.6 per game)
3rd down conversion %: 26th (45.31%)
4th down conversion %: 17th (66.7%, 12 for 18 on the season)
TFLs allowed per game: 4th (3.30 per game)
Red Zone TD %: 13th (71.4% TD rate, 30 TDs in 42 chances)
Red Zone Scoring %: 9th (39 scores in 42 chances)
Field goal %: 24th (14 for 16)
PAT %: 1st (45 for 45)
10+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 46th (141) 15 against VT, ALL throwing
20+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 67th (43)
30+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 55th (20)
40+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 68th (8)
50+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 73rd (4)
60+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 76th (2)
70+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 101st (0)


Defense:

Yards per play allowed: 9th (4.59 YPP)
Yards per game allowed: 10th (291.3 YPG)
Points per game allowed: 8th (15.6 PPG)
Passing yards per game allowed: 33rd (199.3 YPG)
Passing completion percentage allowed: 21st (57.8%)
Passing yards per attempt: 14th (6.1 YPA)
Passer rating allowed: 15th (112.59)
Rushing yards per game allowed: 7th (92.0 YPG)
Rushing yards per attempt allowed: 12th (3.02 YPA)
Sacks per game: 12th (2.9 sacks per game)
3rd down % allowed: 8th (31.1% allowed)
4th down % allowed: 41st (47.8%, opponents 11/23 on 4th down)
Red Zone td % allowed: 87th (63.4% allowed -- 14 TDs in 22 chances) 22 Red Zone attempts is 5th fewest in the country (IND, OSU, Texas Tech, ORE)
Red Zone Scoring % allowed: 88th (86% allowed -- 19 scores in 22 chances)
Punting: 37th (44.6 Yard average)
10+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 16th (107)
20+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 22nd (34)
30+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 22nd (14) Season-High 5 allowed vs VT
40+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 3rd (4)
50+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 7th (2)
60+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 10th (1)


Team Stats:

Penalties: 134th (8.2 penalties per game) Tied for dead last in America with UAB and Toledo
Penalty yards: 125th (67.4 Yards per game)
Turnover margin: 17th (+0.67 per game -- 17 takeaways, 10 giveaways)
Time of possession: 4th (34:03 per game)
Seconds per play: 128th (30.0 seconds between plays, only 8 teams slower, 3 of them being Army, Navy, and Iowa. But also Ohio State)

Takeaways:

Let's start with the offense. First off, that was a very weird game. We did get off 63 plays, which isn't an insanely low number, but we only had 8 offensive possessions, which is VERY low for a full game. I think it was a combination of us being very efficient on offense, but without a crazy number of explosives, and also the defense not being very good (more on that later). It was just play after play of 5 yards, 9 yards, 4 yards, 14 yards, 7 yards, etc. etc.....no massive explosives, but not many negative plays either, as usual. Overall, it really was very similar to how we've played all season. Balanced, but not explosive. The difference is, when you play a team as awful as VT, you're going to be more efficient on a play by play basis. And we were. But, as I mentioned, only 8 drives. On those 8 drives we had:

4 touchdowns
2 field goals
2 punts

So, that's 34 offensive points on 8 drives. Works out to 4.25 points per drive, which would lead the country for the season by a wide margin (North Texas is currently #1 in points per drive, with 3.78). So we scored a ton of points relative to how much we had the ball, which is great. But again, probably just a byproduct mostly of who we were playing. First with the running game, overall, very poor and disappointing, yet again. We ran the ball 22 times with our running backs. Not a single one of those runs went for 10+ yards. Pringle led the team with a long run of 9 yards. Hard to fathom against that defense, but again, after 11 games, you are who you are. We can't run the ball with any explosiveness at all. At this point, our run game is essentially a mechanism to stay on schedule and try to make manageable down and distances for Beck. We leaned fully into Pringle, by the way. 14 carries for him, only 6 for Fletcher. Marty Brown got 2 on the last drive, and Lyle did not play, again. The changing of the guard is complete. Girard Pringle is our starter and lead back. I thought he was OK, I understand why the staff is doing what they're doing but we don't really ever get our backs into open space, so whereas Fletcher and Brown really can't run away from anyone, Pringle can struggle breaking big runs because he's not strong enough to run through people yet. It's beyond time to make this team a pass heavy team, which leads me to Beck.

I thought he played his best game as a Hurricane on Saturday. 27/32 on the day, 84% completions, and 10 yards per attempt. That's an insane day throwing the football. He was incredibly accurate from the opening whistle, as he has been almost all year (remember when people tried to say he's not accurate? Good times. He's #2 in America in completion percentage, throwing to essentially all freshmen the last few weeks). He layered some balls into some tight windows perfectly, he threw the ball well down the field, in the intermediate, and short. Just a precision passing attack, and you can see where we stand now as a team in passing. I don't understand why the staff doesn't just let this kid cook more. We have a literal cheat code...it's called, I can drop my QB back into the pocket, and nobody breathes on him. Yet another game with 0 sacks, and I don't even know how many times he was hit on 32 attempts? 5? Less? Does this staff not understand that all the rules are geared towards offensive passing, and if you have a QB who is accurate and has a month to throw the football, he can shred people?

Overall though, a good performance by the offense in a weird game, as I said. We scored on 6 of 8 possessions, and one of the ones we didn't, we had a miscommunication and our center snapped the ball before anyone was ready and it resulted in a 2nd and 27. Drive dead. But I'll say this, if we score TDs on half of our possessions and score points on 75% of them next week at Pitt, we're gonna smack the **** out of them.

On defense, that was our worst performance of the season. With how efficient the offense was, that game could've gotten really ugly if the defense got more stops and got more possessions for the offense. But we gave up 6.48 yards per play, which is almost a FULL YARD more than we'd given up all year (5.54 vs SMU had been the worst number). We gave up 5 plays of 30+ yards, after allowing only a total of 9 in the previous 10 games. 194 yards rushing allowed was 62 more than our previous worst. 5.24 yards per carry allowed was 1.4 yards more than our previous worst. I'm not sure the exact cause, but having Blay and Scott out then losing Thomas certainly couldn't have helped. That was the first time all season I said after the game that the offense outplayed the defense, so I'll give Heatherman and the guys a pass. You're not going to play your absolute best 100% of the time, and we had played pretty incredibly overall for the first 10 games. Sometimes you need to rely on the other side of the ball, and we did. But we obviously have to be better at Pitt, and we need Thomas, OJ, and Blay to play and play well. All hands on deck for this week.

Overall, the defense is one of the very best in America, we know that. And as bad as we played, we still only gave up 17 points, which is a great number. I just think we'd been a little spoiled with how this defense was playing, especially against the run, that it was a little shocking to me to see how many times we were out leveraged and took poor angles. But look down the list, we're outstanding in every area. As I've been saying since the first month of the season, this defense is putting out championship quality performances virtually every week. We'll need it this week.

Overall, this is one of the best statistical profiles of any team in the country. You won't find a single ranking/metric where Miami isn't, at worst, a top 15 team. I actually think this is a better football team than last season, although some of you might disagree. Last year was too extreme.....#1 on offense by a mile meant we could beat anyone, but #7000 on defense meant we could lose to anyone. We're far more balanced this year. I think this is a legit Top 10 defense in the country, at worst. And it's probably a Top 35-ish offense. Mix that together, you have one of the 10-ish best teams in the country. Sagarin has us #9 right now. FEI rankings are #10. F+ ratings are #10. Net points per drive we're 9th. It's a very, very good football team. I really hope we get some luck to come our way this weekend and we get to show how we stack up in a playoff game (or more than one?). But IMO Miami was one of the 15 best teams last season. I think we're one of the 10 best this season. We are currently +17 in scoring margin for the season. Last year, we finished +16.3. Let's go beat Pitt, win 10 games in back to back seasons for the first time in 23 years, and see what happens Saturday night around the country.

Go Canes.
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Excellent post!

I’m glad that you pointed out Beck’s accuracy. He’s actually on pace to shatter our season record for completion percentage, which Cam set last season at 67.4%.

What a lot of posters don’t understand is that most of Beck’s interceptions have come on 3rd and long, and at least 3 of them were not on him, but on the WR not catching the ball or tipping it and the opponent then intercepting it.

Is Carson Beck on Cam Ward’s level? In my opinion, no. But if put in the right position, he can do some heavy duty damage. It’s up to our coaches to help put him in favorable positions.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Impossible to disagree more, and it’s such a comical and irrational take that I’ll just let you take it from here. But I’ll leave you with this.

Miami has the best pass-blocking line in America. 1 of 136, imo. The team with the best pass blocking line in America does not have the worst LG/C combo in the entire country making up 40% of said line. It’s a horrendous take.
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I’ll give you top 5 pass blocking. It’s not 1 of 136 due to those 2. Am I maybe exaggerating on the worst in the country? Sure. You have some pathetic programs out there. Relative to the rest of their OL, it’s the biggest discrepancy that exists and that’s not an exaggeration but it magnifies it 10x.

LT, RG, and RT are all probably top 5 in America at their position in terms of pass blocking ability. Coop is probably the best pass blocking RG in the country and is constantly bailing out JB at Center. That weighs very heavily.

Brockermeyer is a smart player in terms of schematics and understanding the game but he’s had more mental lapses, procedural penalties, the bad snap last week, he sucks with any kind of noise or movement, etc. and he’s out there ice skating all day against SMU, Louisville, and FSU. He’s the sole reason the run scheme doesn’t work like it should.

You can’t go 5 min at a game without hearing a holding or procedural penalty on 63 or 78.

Someone provide me with some penalty data on the player level.
 
caneaddict said:
always great analysis, for my mental health and hope for the rest of the season are there any playoff/contending teams with a run game as pedestrian as ours
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That's a great question. My priors going in are that Alabama and OU are probably worse than we are, neither of those teams can run the ball for ****.

I don't think one singular stat really tells the entire story of effectiveness, or lack thereof, in a running game, but just looking at yards per carry:

Yards per carry of the Top 15 playoff teams:

Ohio State - 34th
Indiana - 21st
A&M - 26th
UGA - 41st
Texas Tech - 36th
Ole Miss - 39th
Oregon - 3rd
Oklahoma - 96th
Notre Dame - 5th
Alabama - 118th
BYU- 45th
Utah - 1st
Vandy - 11th
Miami - 83rd

So yeah, everyone's in the top third of the country, except us, OU, and Bama.
 
F-MarioCristobal said:
Someone provide me with some penalty data on the player level.
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There are 84 FBS linemen that have committed more than 6 penalties per PFF
 
I've beat this dead horse on our OL since Mario got here... the OL is good.. much improved.. absolutely. But its not as good as they want you to believe because we max protect, 2 TE, bring in an extra OL, pass block our RBs (and have had some of the best RBs in pass pro in America), as much or more than anyone in the country. While most explosive teams are sending TEs and RBs out on routes and down the field.

We chip, wham, sniff, or sift with TEs on nearly every play. If the OL is as good as we say ours is.. they don't need all that help. Our passing game and offense in general isn't as good as it could be for that reason. We use resources to block that could be weapons down field. The added responsibilities of our TEs are the complexities that keep young TEs off the field when they're more talented than Alex Bauman. It makes Elija Lofton play slow because he has other things to do on every play before he can think about going out and just making a play.

Even plays where there are 4-5 defensive threats, we help our OL. We ALWAYS have numbers in pass pro and never let it be 1v1 across the board and take away from numbers to attack the field. Its not always a bad thing, but its a **** of a tendency breaker we could utilize but never do. It bit us in the *** against Louisville. We called 1 hot route to let the rusher come free and get it out quick and the TE didn't know what to do and we threw a pick.

We're compensating for having a ****** Center.
 
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There are 84 FBS linemen that have committed more than 6 penalties per PFF
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Does that include declined penalties? McCoy had 2 plus 1 declined on Saturday. Hard time believing he had 3 against VT and only 5 on the year.

680 starting OL and probably more than 1,000 overall on PFF and we have 2 that only 84 (13%) of the country have more penalties. McCoy and Okunlola basically split snaps and account for 1 "starter" and have combined for 11 penalties.

I would all but guarantee no team, definitely no team in contention to win anything, in America has 10 or 11 penalties from their LG alone.
 
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F-MarioCristobal said:
Does that include declined penalties? McCoy had 2 plus 1 declined on Saturday. Hard time believing he had 3 against VT and only 5 on the year.
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Doubt it does. Don't think you can assume our guys have more declined penalties than other OL though
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
As always, these are only numbers from FBS vs FBS competition.

Offense:

Yards per play: 30th (6.18 YPP)
Yards per game: 32nd (415.1 YPG)
Points per game: 23rd (32.6 PPG)
Passing yards per game: 27th (269.0 YPG)
Passing completion percentage: 2nd (72.7%)
Passing yards per attempt: 16th (8.6 YPA)
Passer rating: 9th (161.82)
Passing TDs: 21st (21 TDs)
Interceptions: 79th (9 INTs)
Rushing yards per game: 71st (146.1 YPG)
Rushing yards per attempt: 83rd (4.05 YPA)
Rushing TDs: 47th (18)
Sacks given up per game: 6th (0.70 per game)
First Downs per game: 43rd (21.6 per game)
3rd down conversion %: 26th (45.31%)
4th down conversion %: 17th (66.7%, 12 for 18 on the season)
TFLs allowed per game: 4th (3.30 per game)
Red Zone TD %: 13th (71.4% TD rate, 30 TDs in 42 chances)
Red Zone Scoring %: 9th (39 scores in 42 chances)
Field goal %: 24th (14 for 16)
PAT %: 1st (45 for 45)
10+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 46th (141) 15 against VT, ALL throwing
20+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 67th (43)
30+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 55th (20)
40+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 68th (8)
50+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 73rd (4)
60+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 76th (2)
70+ Yard Scrimmage Plays: 101st (0)


Defense:

Yards per play allowed: 9th (4.59 YPP)
Yards per game allowed: 10th (291.3 YPG)
Points per game allowed: 8th (15.6 PPG)
Passing yards per game allowed: 33rd (199.3 YPG)
Passing completion percentage allowed: 21st (57.8%)
Passing yards per attempt: 14th (6.1 YPA)
Passer rating allowed: 15th (112.59)
Rushing yards per game allowed: 7th (92.0 YPG)
Rushing yards per attempt allowed: 12th (3.02 YPA)
Sacks per game: 12th (2.9 sacks per game)
3rd down % allowed: 8th (31.1% allowed)
4th down % allowed: 41st (47.8%, opponents 11/23 on 4th down)
Red Zone td % allowed: 87th (63.4% allowed -- 14 TDs in 22 chances) 22 Red Zone attempts is 5th fewest in the country (IND, OSU, Texas Tech, ORE)
Red Zone Scoring % allowed: 88th (86% allowed -- 19 scores in 22 chances)
Punting: 37th (44.6 Yard average)
10+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 16th (107)
20+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 22nd (34)
30+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 22nd (14) Season-High 5 allowed vs VT
40+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 3rd (4)
50+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 7th (2)
60+ Yard Scrimmage Plays allowed: 10th (1)


Team Stats:

Penalties: 134th (8.2 penalties per game) Tied for dead last in America with UAB and Toledo
Penalty yards: 125th (67.4 Yards per game)
Turnover margin: 17th (+0.67 per game -- 17 takeaways, 10 giveaways)
Time of possession: 4th (34:03 per game)
Seconds per play: 128th (30.0 seconds between plays, only 8 teams slower, 3 of them being Army, Navy, and Iowa. But also Ohio State)

Takeaways:

Let's start with the offense. First off, that was a very weird game. We did get off 63 plays, which isn't an insanely low number, but we only had 8 offensive possessions, which is VERY low for a full game. I think it was a combination of us being very efficient on offense, but without a crazy number of explosives, and also the defense not being very good (more on that later). It was just play after play of 5 yards, 9 yards, 4 yards, 14 yards, 7 yards, etc. etc.....no massive explosives, but not many negative plays either, as usual. Overall, it really was very similar to how we've played all season. Balanced, but not explosive. The difference is, when you play a team as awful as VT, you're going to be more efficient on a play by play basis. And we were. But, as I mentioned, only 8 drives. On those 8 drives we had:

4 touchdowns
2 field goals
2 punts

So, that's 34 offensive points on 8 drives. Works out to 4.25 points per drive, which would lead the country for the season by a wide margin (North Texas is currently #1 in points per drive, with 3.78). So we scored a ton of points relative to how much we had the ball, which is great. But again, probably just a byproduct mostly of who we were playing. First with the running game, overall, very poor and disappointing, yet again. We ran the ball 22 times with our running backs. Not a single one of those runs went for 10+ yards. Pringle led the team with a long run of 9 yards. Hard to fathom against that defense, but again, after 11 games, you are who you are. We can't run the ball with any explosiveness at all. At this point, our run game is essentially a mechanism to stay on schedule and try to make manageable down and distances for Beck. We leaned fully into Pringle, by the way. 14 carries for him, only 6 for Fletcher. Marty Brown got 2 on the last drive, and Lyle did not play, again. The changing of the guard is complete. Girard Pringle is our starter and lead back. I thought he was OK, I understand why the staff is doing what they're doing but we don't really ever get our backs into open space, so whereas Fletcher and Brown really can't run away from anyone, Pringle can struggle breaking big runs because he's not strong enough to run through people yet. It's beyond time to make this team a pass heavy team, which leads me to Beck.

I thought he played his best game as a Hurricane on Saturday. 27/32 on the day, 84% completions, and 10 yards per attempt. That's an insane day throwing the football. He was incredibly accurate from the opening whistle, as he has been almost all year (remember when people tried to say he's not accurate? Good times. He's #2 in America in completion percentage, throwing to essentially all freshmen the last few weeks). He layered some balls into some tight windows perfectly, he threw the ball well down the field, in the intermediate, and short. Just a precision passing attack, and you can see where we stand now as a team in passing. I don't understand why the staff doesn't just let this kid cook more. We have a literal cheat code...it's called, I can drop my QB back into the pocket, and nobody breathes on him. Yet another game with 0 sacks, and I don't even know how many times he was hit on 32 attempts? 5? Less? Does this staff not understand that all the rules are geared towards offensive passing, and if you have a QB who is accurate and has a month to throw the football, he can shred people?

Overall though, a good performance by the offense in a weird game, as I said. We scored on 6 of 8 possessions, and one of the ones we didn't, we had a miscommunication and our center snapped the ball before anyone was ready and it resulted in a 2nd and 27. Drive dead. But I'll say this, if we score TDs on half of our possessions and score points on 75% of them next week at Pitt, we're gonna smack the **** out of them.

On defense, that was our worst performance of the season. With how efficient the offense was, that game could've gotten really ugly if the defense got more stops and got more possessions for the offense. But we gave up 6.48 yards per play, which is almost a FULL YARD more than we'd given up all year (5.54 vs SMU had been the worst number). We gave up 5 plays of 30+ yards, after allowing only a total of 9 in the previous 10 games. 194 yards rushing allowed was 62 more than our previous worst. 5.24 yards per carry allowed was 1.4 yards more than our previous worst. I'm not sure the exact cause, but having Blay and Scott out then losing Thomas certainly couldn't have helped. That was the first time all season I said after the game that the offense outplayed the defense, so I'll give Heatherman and the guys a pass. You're not going to play your absolute best 100% of the time, and we had played pretty incredibly overall for the first 10 games. Sometimes you need to rely on the other side of the ball, and we did. But we obviously have to be better at Pitt, and we need Thomas, OJ, and Blay to play and play well. All hands on deck for this week.

Overall, the defense is one of the very best in America, we know that. And as bad as we played, we still only gave up 17 points, which is a great number. I just think we'd been a little spoiled with how this defense was playing, especially against the run, that it was a little shocking to me to see how many times we were out leveraged and took poor angles. But look down the list, we're outstanding in every area. As I've been saying since the first month of the season, this defense is putting out championship quality performances virtually every week. We'll need it this week.

Overall, this is one of the best statistical profiles of any team in the country. You won't find a single ranking/metric where Miami isn't, at worst, a top 15 team. I actually think this is a better football team than last season, although some of you might disagree. Last year was too extreme.....#1 on offense by a mile meant we could beat anyone, but #7000 on defense meant we could lose to anyone. We're far more balanced this year. I think this is a legit Top 10 defense in the country, at worst. And it's probably a Top 35-ish offense. Mix that together, you have one of the 10-ish best teams in the country. Sagarin has us #9 right now. FEI rankings are #10. F+ ratings are #10. Net points per drive we're 9th. It's a very, very good football team. I really hope we get some luck to come our way this weekend and we get to show how we stack up in a playoff game (or more than one?). But IMO Miami was one of the 15 best teams last season. I think we're one of the 10 best this season. We are currently +17 in scoring margin for the season. Last year, we finished +16.3. Let's go beat Pitt, win 10 games in back to back seasons for the first time in 23 years, and see what happens Saturday night around the country.

Go Canes.
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This seconds per play stat is INSANE when you consider who we have at the skill position and QB. That’s wild I hadn’t paid attention to that stat when you’ve posted it. That’s absurd lol
 
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This seconds per play stat is INSANE when you consider who we have at the skill position and QB. That’s wild I hadn’t paid attention to that stat when you’ve posted it. That’s absurd lol
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I agree completely. HOWEVER, I just want to point out there's more than one way to skin a cat. Ohio State is DEAD LAST in that number in the country. They are legit the slowest offensive team in the entire country, and look at the talent they have.

But yes, definitely jarring to see.
 
The U is back to work said:
This seconds per play stat is INSANE when you consider who we have at the skill position and QB. That’s wild I hadn’t paid attention to that stat when you’ve posted it. That’s absurd lol
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Missed it to, much better stat than plays/game to measure pace. For reference

Beck:
2023: 29.2 (UGA)
2024: 25.9 (UGA)
2025: 30.0 (UM)

Dawson: (not sure if he was calling plays all these years, just when he was listed as OC)
2012: 22.0 (WVU)
2013: 22.0 (WVU)
2014: 20.6 (WVU)
2015: 25.3 (UK)
2016: 24.8 (USM)
2017: no data
2018: 26.3 (USM)
2021: 28.0 (UH)
2022: 25.1 (UH)
2023: 27.7 (Miami)
2024: 26.9 (Miami)
2025: 30.0 (Miami)

Small sample size but Beck has played better the more deliberate he was been. Dawson has evolved into a more deliberate play-caller as the years have gone by. Best guess is our pace this year is a combo of those two factors, and they probably feedback on each other.
 
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F-MarioCristobal said:
Does that include declined penalties? McCoy had 2 plus 1 declined on Saturday. Hard time believing he had 3 against VT and only 5 on the year.

680 starting OL and probably more than 1,000 overall on PFF and we have 2 that only 84 (13%) of the country have more penalties. McCoy and Okunlola basically split snaps and account for 1 "starter" and have combined for 11 penalties.

I would all but guarantee no team, definitely no team in contention to win anything, in America has 10 or 11 penalties from their LG alone.
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Number in parentheses is declined or offsetting.

Also, Texas Tech’s LT has 13 and their C has 9.

A&M’s RT, 10, RG, 8.
 
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F-MarioCristobal said:
Does that include declined penalties? McCoy had 2 plus 1 declined on Saturday. Hard time believing he had 3 against VT and only 5 on the year.

680 starting OL and probably more than 1,000 overall on PFF and we have 2 that only 84 (13%) of the country have more penalties. McCoy and Okunlola basically split snaps and account for 1 "starter" and have combined for 11 penalties.

I would all but guarantee no team, definitely no team in contention to win anything, in America has 10 or 11 penalties from their LG alone.
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TrumpyCane wonders how the constantly shuffling of those 2 affects everything
 
flips said:
Missed it to, much better stat than plays/game to measure pace. For reference

Beck:
2023: 29.2 (UGA)
2024: 25.9 (UGA)
2025: 30.0 (UM)

Dawson: (not sure if he was calling plays all these years, just when he was listed as OC)
2012: 22.0 (WVU)
2013: 22.0 (WVU)
2014: 20.6 (WVU)
2015: 25.3 (UK)
2016: 24.8 (USM)
2017: no data
2018: 26.3 (USM)
2021: 28.0 (UH)
2022: 25.1 (UH)
2023: 27.7 (Miami)
2024: 26.9 (Miami)
2025: 30.0 (Miami)

Small sample size but Beck has played better the more deliberate he was been. Dawson has evolved into a more deliberate play-caller as the years have gone by. Best guess is our pace this year is a combo of those two factors, and they probably feedback on each other.
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And I think there's absolutely credence to the thought that we want our defense to be as fresh as possible for as long as possible. You want 3 and 4 on the field for as many snaps as you can get while you're on defense. Not saying I agree with this, but I think that goes into how we play offense.

Every play on a whiteboard is drawn up to be a touchdown. So I'm not saying we're trying not to score, that's absurd. But I think early in the year, we wanted to "hide" Beck just a bit because of his lack of reps. And then the staff realized this really is an elite defense, and we don't have a ton of depth. So, if you play slow, possess the ball, AND score points....that's perfect because your defense can rest and wreak havoc when they do get on the field. And you can keep your starters in most of the game. But we haven't been as prolific as we'd like, especially in the losses. And then you wind up playing close games that have little margin for error.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
And I think there's absolutely credence to the thought that we want our defense to be as fresh as possible for as long as possible. You want 3 and 4 on the field for as many snaps as you can get while you're on defense. Not saying I agree with this, but I think that goes into how we play offense.

Every play on a whiteboard is drawn up to be a touchdown. So I'm not saying we're trying not to score, that's absurd. But I think early in the year, we wanted to "hide" Beck just a bit because of his lack of reps. And then the staff realized this really is an elite defense, and we don't have a ton of depth. So, if you play slow, possess the ball, AND score points....that's perfect because your defense can rest and wreak havoc when they do get on the field. And you can keep your starters in most of the game. But we haven't been as prolific as we'd like, especially in the losses. And then you wind up playing close games that have little margin for error.
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Yeah we talked about this before, our super deliberate pace this year might be in part to protect a thin front 7 on the defense (though seems we have been subbing more along the DL as of late). I do think it's much more Beck is just playing at the pace he's most comfortable at, and Dawson doesn't value playing at a breakneck pace highly anymore. Still, we are playing glacially slow. Would be neat (and probably advantageous to us) if we surprised Pitt by playing faster than they expect in spots on Saturday in a very important game.

My tl;dr take is I'm fine with the pace we are playing at (which has been glacial - 31.3 seconds over the last 3 games) when Beck is completing 80% of passes for 10.3 ypa with 8 TDs and 0 INTs like he has the last 3 games.
 
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