We seem to be missing the bigger picture here

[AustinCane6688]

We just went 9-4, won our bowl, and it was the single best season we've had since we won the Orange Bowl in 2004. Let that sink in for a minute. Brand and history be damned, we haven't been a nationally relevant program since this current recruiting class was in Kindergarten.

You can only sell history, playing time and playing in front of family to certain recruits, and it's **** miraculous we have a top 15 class considering those circumstances. Some of you just expect the U on the helmet to supersede what the Alabama's and Clemson's of the world have done in the last 5 years, and that just isn't realistic.

We need to keep winning before we can consistently haul in top 5 classes, bottom line. This is as optimistic as I've felt as a Cane fan for as long as I can remember but we are only just scratching the surface.

 

[LuCane]

Noted on sustained success. Everyone agrees there.

We should, however, be selling more than just history. To some kids, a chance to play locally and "put on for their city."
To others, the chance to play for an incredible defense that's only getting better.
To DL, for example, the chance to play for the best DL coach in the country in a scheme that almost immediately can make them show out.

There's lots of stuff to sell and, at least at certain positions, we're currently struggling with kids we should have better odds at landing.

 

[CFLCane]

People always talk about about building a fence but there are 120+teams recruiting in SFL like no other area in the country. It's going to take a lot of sustained success to hold back the horde of recruiters in our backyard. Think world war z.

 

[brock]

You can't be selling weather to kids in Florida when you are recruiting the kids that are considering uf and fsu also.... every school down here has great weather. Sell the success of our defense or impact freshman. I guarantee that it matters more to them

 

[Cash]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

 

[Al Foil]

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

NKosi Perry, Trajan Bandy, Anthony McFarland and Navaughn Donaldson are 5 star players hands down.

Jennings, Steed, Garvin, Polendy and Ford are rated 3 star but are without a doubt 4 star talents.

Perry and McFarland have the ability to completely transcend the offense.

Perry has Deshaun Watson/Lamar Jackson upside.

 

[brock]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

It wasn't their evals, majority of the kids were already committed before they got here

 

[AustinCane6688]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

Which leads me to my next point. Pete mentioned on his podcast (and i've suspected this for years) that Rivals ratings are proportionally slanted towards schools that sell the most subscriptions, thus the perceived "Miami bias". If you look at the 2016 class:

8 out of 19 recruits played meaningful to significant roles this year, and i'm not counting guys like Ced Wright, Haskins, Irvin, Bethel or Mullins, who will probably play quite a bit in 2017 and contribute.

Richards was rated the 62nd rated WR in America

Malek Young was a 3 star recruit but an Army All-American

McCloud and Pinckney were 3 stars

So there are 4 guys right there that were clearly misevaluated by recruiting 'experts' but Richt and staff hit on.

Now fast forward to this year:

Amari Carter is a 3 star on Rivals but a top 250 player in America according to ESPN

Jon Garvin is a low 3 star on Rivals but a 4 star on ESPN

Donaldson is a five star prospect

 

[AustinCane6688]

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

NKosi Perry, Trajan Bandy, Anthony McFarland and Navaughn Donaldson are 5 star players hands down.

Jennings, Steed, Polendy and Ford are rated 3 star but are without a doubt 4 star talents.

Perry and McFarland have the ability to completely transcend the offense.

Perry has Deshaun Watson/Lamar Jackson upside.

Totally agree with this and I think we'll add more than just those two

 

[Cash]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

It wasn't their evals, majority of the kids were already committed before they got here

They could have dropped those kids if they felt they weren't worthy which is in fact on them. As soon as Richt took the job he was responsible for the entire class.

 

[Cash]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

Which leads me to my next point. Pete mentioned on his podcast (and i've suspected this for years) that Rivals ratings are proportionally slanted towards schools that sell the most subscriptions, thus the perceived "Miami bias". If you look at the 2016 class:

8 out of 19 recruits played meaningful to significant roles this year, and i'm not counting guys like Ced Wright, Haskins, Irvin, Bethel or Mullins, who will probably play quite a bit in 2017 and contribute.

Richards was rated the 62nd rated WR in America

Malek Young was a 3 star recruit but an Army All-American

McCloud and Pinckney were 3 stars

So there are 4 guys right there that were clearly misevaluated by recruiting 'experts' but Richt and staff hit on.

Now fast forward to this year:

Amari Carter is a 3 star on Rivals but a top 250 player in America according to ESPN

Jon Garvin is a low 3 star on Rivals but a 4 star on ESPN

Donaldson is a five star prospect

Outside of my personal thoughts on GRU, Rivals is f'ing joke. Their evals are awful.

 

[AustinCane6688]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

Which leads me to my next point. Pete mentioned on his podcast (and i've suspected this for years) that Rivals ratings are proportionally slanted towards schools that sell the most subscriptions, thus the perceived "Miami bias". If you look at the 2016 class:

8 out of 19 recruits played meaningful to significant roles this year, and i'm not counting guys like Ced Wright, Haskins, Irvin, Bethel or Mullins, who will probably play quite a bit in 2017 and contribute.

Richards was rated the 62nd rated WR in America

Malek Young was a 3 star recruit but an Army All-American

McCloud and Pinckney were 3 stars

So there are 4 guys right there that were clearly misevaluated by recruiting 'experts' but Richt and staff hit on.

Now fast forward to this year:

Amari Carter is a 3 star on Rivals but a top 250 player in America according to ESPN

Jon Garvin is a low 3 star on Rivals but a 4 star on ESPN

Donaldson is a five star prospect

Outside of my personal thoughts on GRU, Rivals is f'ing joke. Their evals are awful.

And yet, you have hacks like Barry Jackson who continue to cite their work whenever he writes something recruiting related in the Herald.

 

[FG305]

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

Based on the 247 team composite rankings adding just those 2 wouldn't even get us close to that, especially considering every team in the top-10 finished with at least 13 4* or 5* recruits last year. McFarland and Dean would give us only 7....****, last year we had 10 4* with a small class. This has been an extremely disappointing class so far. Can't spin it any other way.

 

[Dwinstitles]

People always talk about about building a fence but there are 120+teams recruiting in SFL like no other area in the country. It's going to take a lot of sustained success to hold back the horde of recruiters in our backyard. Think world war z.


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Those zombies got in cuz the noise.... I thought we were ignoring the noise tho

 

[Dwinstitles]

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

Based on the 247 team composite rankings adding just those 2 wouldn't even get us close to that, especially considering every team in the top-10 finished with at least 13 4* or 5* recruits last year. McFarland and Dean would give us only 7....****, last year we had 10 4* with a small class. This has been an extremely disappointing class so far. Can't spin it any other way.

With dean Mac n Thomas this is a good class....imma star ***** but that class with those guys added will make it savage and real underrated

 

[Al Foil]

Our players are ranked improperly jackass.

That is the point.

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

Based on the 247 team composite rankings adding just those 2 wouldn't even get us close to that, especially considering every team in the top-10 finished with at least 13 4* or 5* recruits last year. McFarland and Dean would give us only 7....****, last year we had 10 4* with a small class. This has been an extremely disappointing class so far. Can't spin it any other way.

 

[FG305]

Our players are ranked improperly jackass.

That is the point.

If we add only McFarland and Dean to this class, it will be the best class we've signed in 10 years and top 10 nationally.

Based on the 247 team composite rankings adding just those 2 wouldn't even get us close to that, especially considering every team in the top-10 finished with at least 13 4* or 5* recruits last year. McFarland and Dean would give us only 7....****, last year we had 10 4* with a small class. This has been an extremely disappointing class so far. Can't spin it any other way.

Lmao....every fan thinks that they have a bunch of Ed Reeds. I'm sure you evaluated every teams underrated recruits you ole bald head Tom Lemming.

 

[deleted3746]

We just went 9-4, won our bowl, and it was the single best season we've had since we won the Orange Bowl in 2004. Let that sink in for a minute. Brand and history be damned, we haven't been a nationally relevant program since this current recruiting class was in Kindergarten.

You can only sell history, playing time and playing in front of family to certain recruits, and it's **** miraculous we have a top 15 class considering those circumstances. Some of you just expect the U on the helmet to supersede what the Alabama's and Clemson's of the world have done in the last 5 years, and that just isn't realistic.

We need to keep winning before we can consistently haul in top 5 classes, bottom line. This is as optimistic as I've felt as a Cane fan for as long as I can remember but we are only just scratching the surface.

Please show us all the posts and threads that expect Miami to supersede Alabama and Clemson. I'd like to read them for myself.

What you and other white knights fail to acknowledge, is this team underachieved in 2016. When some elite recruits are getting recruited by Miami, they see this season and say, "same old Miami...can't win their division....6th best team in the ACC, can't beat FSU, etc."

Some kids want to be Canes no matter what. Other kids, want to play in January, want to play in conf title games, want to play in the playoffs. Miami should have played Clemson in the ACC CG.

9-4, 5-3 isn't good enough.

Noted on sustained success. Everyone agrees there.

We should, however, be selling more than just history. To some kids, a chance to play locally and "put on for their city."
To others, the chance to play for an incredible defense that's only getting better.
To DL, for example, the chance to play for the best DL coach in the country in a scheme that almost immediately can make them show out.

There's lots of stuff to sell and, at least at certain positions, we're currently struggling with kids we should have better odds at landing.

Manny, Kul and the D is going to help, fur sure. It's the other side of the ball and overall season results that hurt.

 

[TAMPA_CANE]

We just went 9-4, won our bowl, and it was the single best season we've had since we won the Orange Bowl in 2004. Let that sink in for a minute.

If you let it sink in you will be more depressed.

 

[Grisha.Otrepyev]

After seeing the evals from the 2016 class make an impact, I'm very interested to see how well Richt & Co. make out on this 2017 class. If they have the same amount of success in these evals, we'll be one class away from quality depth. As Op said if we win they'll come. You can either sell history (which we have in spades) or you can sell current success, which we are scratching the surface.

Which leads me to my next point. Pete mentioned on his podcast (and i've suspected this for years) that Rivals ratings are proportionally slanted towards schools that sell the most subscriptions, thus the perceived "Miami bias". If you look at the 2016 class:

8 out of 19 recruits played meaningful to significant roles this year, and i'm not counting guys like Ced Wright, Haskins, Irvin, Bethel or Mullins, who will probably play quite a bit in 2017 and contribute.

Richards was rated the 62nd rated WR in America

Malek Young was a 3 star recruit but an Army All-American

McCloud and Pinckney were 3 stars

So there are 4 guys right there that were clearly misevaluated by recruiting 'experts' but Richt and staff hit on.

Now fast forward to this year:

Amari Carter is a 3 star on Rivals but a top 250 player in America according to ESPN

Jon Garvin is a low 3 star on Rivals but a 4 star on ESPN

Donaldson is a five star prospect

Outside of my personal thoughts on GRU, Rivals is f'ing joke. Their evals are awful.

And yet, you have hacks like Barry Jackson who continue to cite their work whenever he writes something recruiting related in the Herald.

247 composite is what you should be looking at.