We Need to Keep Talent Home

[Deleted member 23667]

It's been seven years since a Florida football school won a national title. That's the longest stretch since the Canes won the state's first national title in 1983.

SEASON	CHAMPION	SELECTING ORGANIZATION
2019	LSU	CFP
2018	Clemson	CFP
2017	Alabama	CFP
2016	Clemson	CFP
2015	Alabama	CFP
2014	Ohio State	CFP
2013	Florida State	BCS
2012	Alabama	BCS
2011	Alabama	BCS
2010	Auburn	BCS
2009	Alabama	BCS
2008	Florida	BCS
2007	LSU	BCS
2006	Florida	BCS
2005	Texas	BCS
2004	Southern California*	BCS
2003	LSU, Southern California	BCS, AP, FWAA
2002	Ohio State	BCS
2001	Miami (Fla.)	BCS
2000	Oklahoma	BCS
1999	Florida State	BCS
1998	Tennessee	BCS
1997	Michigan, Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996	Florida	AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993	Florida St.	AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992	Alabama	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991	Washington, Miami (Fla.)	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP
1990	Colorado, Georgia Tech	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI
1989	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988	Notre Dame	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986	Penn St.	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985	Oklahoma	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984	Brigham Young	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

In fact, from 87 to 2001, college football didn't go more than 3 years without at least one Florida school winning a title.

But things have been difficult as of late. This reflects top talent leaving the state. Look on any of the non-Florida champions rosters and you are bound to find Florida players starting.

I wonder what can be done to keep that talent home? National titles mean big money so this is essentially money leaving our economy. The only thing I can think of would be some kind state-funded monetary benefit to the players and/or parents. The NCAA would not be happy with that but I don't think they can do anything about that. Even then, it might not be enough to compete with the bags and big money being offered elsewhere.

Does anybody have any other ideas?

Look forward to the discussion. GO CANES!!!

 

[Bccrhp]

 

[huracan17]

Change your avatar.

 

[RangerGranger]

There's a lot of what ifs here. But.

How do universities keep local talent home currently? Well, they simply charge "Out of state tuition" to students from other states.

Based on a what if: The state of Florida could give more money to Players that stay in Florida.


Just an idea. But it raises a point of why are students dinged for going out of state, but not players? What rich mf lobbied for that one?

 

[Zbrod95]

Literally. If I see Jaelen Phillips get vertical up the field instead of playing his run fit I’m driving to wherever they are, ripping the headset off Manny, and coaching them myself. **** Manny’s dopey scheme.

 

[Go Canes!!]

I seriously doubt South Florida kids even comprise 5% of those teams.

Bama isn't winning a title this year because of Patrick Surtain.

 

[HerbieDaGawd]

Lol. In contrary to what Dmoney will have you believe, the SFLA kids are the ones who are "mentally weak" and the divas. It almost feels like our better players come from other places in the country. (Ex: King, DJ Dallas, Bolden, Jordan even though he's somewhat of a diva)

I know everyone is trying to claim the talent gap as what's stopping us from being great, but I really don't think thats the case. When we play teams with inferior talent, we always make it much more of a game than it should be. (Ex: The Virginia game this season).
That leads me to believe it isn't talent that is our main issue. Sure, we need to stack chips and load up on talent and build depth. But the real issue I'm thinking has moreso to do with either development, coaching, preparation, adjustments, etc. Something along those lines.

 

[pianojib]

We have a whole off season of this sh**, thanks Manny!

 

[BOD-E-SLAM]

I’ve chalked the SOFLA thing as myth since 2007. Randy had all the top guys from MNW and BT. Pretty soft results. I’ve always thought it was a myth, just a feel good “305” BS thing. Miami has never won with solely with SFL guys. Never. Best 2 players on D in 01 were from Cali and Louisiana.

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

It's been seven years since a Florida football school won a national title. That's the longest stretch since the Canes win the state's first national title in 1983.

SEASON	CHAMPION	SELECTING ORGANIZATION
2019	LSU	CFP
2018	Clemson	CFP
2017	Alabama	CFP
2016	Clemson	CFP
2015	Alabama	CFP
2014	Ohio State	CFP
2013	Florida State	BCS
2012	Alabama	BCS
2011	Alabama	BCS
2010	Auburn	BCS
2009	Alabama	BCS
2008	Florida	BCS
2007	LSU	BCS
2006	Florida	BCS
2005	Texas	BCS
2004	Southern California*	BCS
2003	LSU, Southern California	BCS, AP, FWAA
2002	Ohio State	BCS
2001	Miami (Fla.)	BCS
2000	Oklahoma	BCS
1999	Florida State	BCS
1998	Tennessee	BCS
1997	Michigan, Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996	Florida	AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993	Florida St.	AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992	Alabama	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991	Washington, Miami (Fla.)	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP
1990	Colorado, Georgia Tech	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI
1989	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988	Notre Dame	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986	Penn St.	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985	Oklahoma	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984	Brigham Young	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

In fact, from 87 to 2001, college football didn't go more than 3 years without at least one Florida school winning a title.

But things have been difficult as of late. This reflects top talent leaving the state. Look on any of the non-Florida champions rosters and you are bound to find Florida players starting.

I wonder what can be done to keep that talent home? National titles mean big money so this is essentially money leaving our economy. The only thing I can think of would be some kind state-funded monetary benefit to the players and/or parents. The NCAA would not be happy with that but I don't think they can do anything about that. Even then, it might not be enough to compete with the bags and big money being offered elsewhere.

Does anybody have any other ideas?

Look forward to the discussion. GO CANES!!!

Georgia spent $7M on recruiting over a three-year span going into 2019, after dropping $200,000,000 into their athletics programs—mostly football.

Alabama spends just shy of that $6M and Tennessee is around $5M. Clemson is up there, too—and everybody is dropping bags.

In short, players aren't arbitrarily just leaving South Florida to play elsewhere—they are heavily-recruited and incentivized to go.

Period, end of story.

Run this stat all day long—doesn't change the WHY this has been happening. Anyone can identify the problem—how does it get fixed without the financial resources to fix it; namely a large alumni base that writes monster-sized checks—living and dying with their respective football programs.

Georgia's big investment came mostly from alumni dollars—their Magill Society adding thousands of new members in 2018, with a minimum donation of $25,000 annually.

A lot of Miami fans are still rocking old Nike gear from the early 2000's and haven't written the program a check in their lifetime—but are the first to get mad that the university doesn't invest more in football. (Always rocking those new Miami Vice HEAT jerseys when out, though.)

 

[Deleted member 23667]

I seriously doubt South Florida kids even comprise 5% of those teams.

Bama isn't winning a title this year because of Patrick Surtain.

Alabama's current roster has 16 players from Florida. 16/131 players is 12% of the full roster. Assuming they are all scholarship kids, then 16/85 is 19% of their scholarship roster. That's a huge number!

But it's not just a numbers game.. outside schools also routinely take some of our best and most elite athletes. Ohio State does it, Bama obviously, Clemson. Without even looking I'd venture to say that all their championship rosters had Florida 4* and 5* kids on there, kids that would've been Canes if not Noles or Gators back in the 80s and 90s. That makes a huge difference for us and for the state in general. The state with the most talent should be winning the most ships. That used to be the norm but not anymore.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Lol. In contrary to what Dmoney will have you believe, the SFLA kids are the ones who are "mentally weak" and the divas. It almost feels like our better players come from other places in the country. (Ex: King, DJ Dallas, Bolden, Jordan even though he's somewhat of a diva)

I know everyone is trying to claim the talent gap as what's stopping us from being great, but I really don't think thats the case. When we play teams with inferior talent, we always make it much more of a game than it should be. (Ex: The Virginia game this season).
That leads me to believe it isn't talent that is our main issue. Sure, we need to stack chips and load up on talent and build depth. But the real issue I'm thinking has moreso to do with either development, coaching, preparation, adjustments, etc. Something along those lines.

Our best players are from elsewhere, because we don’t get the best players from S Fla .

 

[1mg of Epi]

Alabama's current roster has 16 players from Florida. 16/131 players is 12% of the full roster. Assuming they are all scholarship kids, then 16/85 is 19% of their scholarship roster. That's a huge number!

But it's not just a numbers game.. outside schools also routinely take some of our best and most elite athletes. Ohio State does it, Bama obviously, Clemson. Without even looking I'd venture to say that all their championship rosters had Florida 4* and 5* kids on there, kids that would've been Canes if not Noles or Gators back in the 80s and 90s. That makes a huge difference for us and for the state in general. The state with the most talent should be winning the most ships. That used to be the norm but not anymore.

How about getting qualified coaches and investing in the football programs? This isn’t a secret. We know exactly why kids would rather play for saban.

 

[HerbieDaGawd]

Our best players are from elsewhere, because we don’t get the best players from S Fla .

I'll agree to that. But what I'm saying is, I'm not sure that even if we got them we'd know what to do with them, basically. Lets see if some of this next class pans out.

 

[1mg of Epi]

I'll agree to that. But what I'm saying is, I'm not sure that even if we got them we'd know what to do with them, basically. Lets see if some of this next class pans out.

I posted earlier that the best way to keep the best S Fla players home, schools need to invest in elite coaching and recruiting. That’s the bottom line.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Alabama's current roster has 16 players from Florida. 16/131 players is 12% of the full roster. Assuming they are all scholarship kids, then 16/85 is 19% of their scholarship roster. That's a huge number!

But it's not just a numbers game.. outside schools also routinely take some of our best and most elite athletes. Ohio State does it, Bama obviously, Clemson. Without even looking I'd venture to say that all their championship rosters had Florida 4* and 5* kids on there, kids that would've been Canes if not Noles or Gators back in the 80s and 90s. That makes a huge difference for us and for the state in general. The state with the most talent should be winning the most ships. That used to be the norm but not anymore.

South Florida

 

[INT]

How many 5 stars do we need to land in order to force a punt next season against UNC?

 

[Tit-e-skr]

If you are a top local recruit- who do you take notice of as they walk through the door- Saban-Dabo-or Diaz. I would be willing to bet that most kids can’t name Miami’s HC.

 

[fedupcane]

If you are talking about the Dalvin Cooks, Patrick Peterson’s, Amari Coopers, and Bosa brothers of the world sure.

Those kids back in the day always came to the U bc they were nationally underrated. They aren’t anymore, and so the big schools now come scoop them.

If you are talking about the Joe Yearby’s of the world, then no, it’s not critical to keep them home. There is nothing special about the four star kid from Dade versus the four star kid from New Jersey. Miami takes too many kids from south Florida that aren’t talented enough to make up for their lack of coaching they received in HS from the garbage programs down here.

 

[pyhooya]

It's been seven years since a Florida football school won a national title. That's the longest stretch since the Canes won the state's first national title in 1983.

SEASON	CHAMPION	SELECTING ORGANIZATION
2019	LSU	CFP
2018	Clemson	CFP
2017	Alabama	CFP
2016	Clemson	CFP
2015	Alabama	CFP
2014	Ohio State	CFP
2013	Florida State	BCS
2012	Alabama	BCS
2011	Alabama	BCS
2010	Auburn	BCS
2009	Alabama	BCS
2008	Florida	BCS
2007	LSU	BCS
2006	Florida	BCS
2005	Texas	BCS
2004	Southern California*	BCS
2003	LSU, Southern California	BCS, AP, FWAA
2002	Ohio State	BCS
2001	Miami (Fla.)	BCS
2000	Oklahoma	BCS
1999	Florida State	BCS
1998	Tennessee	BCS
1997	Michigan, Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996	Florida	AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994	Nebraska	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993	Florida St.	AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992	Alabama	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991	Washington, Miami (Fla.)	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP
1990	Colorado, Georgia Tech	FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI
1989	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988	Notre Dame	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986	Penn St.	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985	Oklahoma	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984	Brigham Young	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983	Miami (Fla.)	AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

In fact, from 87 to 2001, college football didn't go more than 3 years without at least one Florida school winning a title.

But things have been difficult as of late. This reflects top talent leaving the state. Look on any of the non-Florida champions rosters and you are bound to find Florida players starting.

I wonder what can be done to keep that talent home? National titles mean big money so this is essentially money leaving our economy. The only thing I can think of would be some kind state-funded monetary benefit to the players and/or parents. The NCAA would not be happy with that but I don't think they can do anything about that. Even then, it might not be enough to compete with the bags and big money being offered elsewhere.

Does anybody have any other ideas?

Look forward to the discussion. GO CANES!!!

Did you ever think that they play football outside of FL and most of those other teams have less than 5 players from FL. I know its hard to believe that teams can win without a bunch of SFL divas