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We need to be Grad Transfer U!

edge said:
No we don’t want to become Kansas State.
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Actually, we should to some extent.
Heck, Alabama relied on several JUCO transfers and grad transfers, including a WR from Bowling Green to fill
their roster needs.
They don't do this as much because they can now rely on the front-running divas from soFla.
 
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MedleyCane said:
Not "Grad Transfer U", but definitely the new transfer rules to our advantage.
We should also find ways to maintain contact with some of these soFla kids that went for the bags.
Perhaps not directly, but with their HS coaches, parents, former teammates......yes, I know, it's tampering, but so be it.
Who knows, maybe we get them their cars will be paid off.
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Maybe we can get lucky and find a Russell Wilson, dude killed it at Whisky, went to the Rose Bowl after leaving NC State.
 
cyrez8 said:
Terrible mentality to try and become Grad Transfer U. Yes, let's take grad transfers and dominate that new area of recruiting but got to land the studs in our backyard and that will only happen with winning as D$ articulated
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We do not win these battles!!!!!!!
 
cleverjdub said:
This is something that was said under another thread and posted by @DMoney that we really need to consider. Our staff needs to hype this thought and really get behind it if we are not going to play some of the other games that are being played when it comes to recruiting and/or until we start consistently winning big on the field to where the other games will impact us as much. Bottom line our geographic location and all that it has to offer makes this an advantage that we can and should embrace. Implementing a strategy to be the top college choice for impactful grad transfer can never be a bad thing even when we are getting recruits.

@DMoney said it best “We need to be Grad Transfer U. We are an attractive destination to spend a year.

It’s not a substitute for recruiting but it’s a supplement to make sure you always have mature, strong players at physical positions.”
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Oh great, another arm chair recruiter who feels he has a better answer.
 
MedleyCane said:
Not "Grad Transfer U", but definitely the new transfer rules to our advantage.
We should also find ways to maintain contact with some of these soFla kids that went for the bags.
Perhaps not directly, but with their HS coaches, parents, former teammates......yes, I know, it's tampering, but so be it.
Who knows, maybe we get them their cars will be paid off.
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Not saying we shouldn’t take transfers as well, but with grad transfers they are eligible to play immediately and have the opportunity to make an impact as soon as they step on campus exactly how we envision a 5* or blue chip recruit would.

We need to worry about putting some gas in the tank for now or we won’t make it to the next gas station.
 
cleverjdub said:
Who said that just because a kid is a grad transfer that means he can't get playing time anywhere else or at his previous school? Everything that is different doesn't always mean its bad or negative. I clearly said the top 2-3 grad transfers and there are plenty of kids that are starting and looking to transfer to go to a better program and win and etc. etc.

What was Dee Delany? A 5th string cb at Citadel before coming here I guess. What was Lawrence Cager here 5th string WR I guess? He a grad transfer though.

And who said we can't be selective with who we want as a grad transfer?
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Dee Delaney what is he doing now cause the first half of the season for us he was a liability. The best grad transfer i seen was the kid saban held onto and finally left to go to uga....and obviously that kid wasnt coming to miami cause those two teams were involved
 
MedleyCane said:
Actually, we should to some extent.
Heck, Alabama relied on several JUCO transfers and grad transfers, including a WR from Bowling Green to fill
their roster needs.
They don't do this as much because they can now rely on the front-running divas from soFla.
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Look I am not arguing that we need transfers. For sure this year we do. But long term that should never be a method to putting starters on the field. Grad transfers should be luxury depth, not main contributors. Let's look at recent transfer that have come here:
Boulware - Serviceable at best. Should have never been a starter here. He was forced there because of how poorly we have recruited on OL.
Olendingbo - He should have been the 4th DT off the bench, maybe even 5th. He was forced into 2 or 3 DT. No business being there is Norton and McIntosh stick around.
Spicer - Bad replacing worse
Dean - He was a #4 corner at best. Forced into 3 sport because of Malik injury.
Delaney - Complete liability. Bandy quickly took that job. Please never bring a Division 2 player on board and pencil him a starter.

The point is the talent you get in the transfer mark is average at best. Never going to build a championship squad if you think 4 guys on your two deep are grad transfers.
 
cleverjdub said:
Not saying we shouldn’t take transfers as well, but with grad transfers they are eligible to play immediately and have the opportunity to make an impact as soon as they step on campus exactly how we envision a 5* or blue chip recruit would.

We need to worry about putting some gas in the tank for now or we won’t make it to the next gas station.
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That was exactly my point.
 
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KWConch said:
This is the same way we should handle JUCO.No reason we shouldn’t be scouring the JUCO ranks to find not only kids with playing experience but kids that have been in an environment that they eat and lift right.

Never a bad thing to get experienced kids to fill areas of your roster lacking in playing experience that you don’t have to wait to mature.

Right now we could use this type player on the OL,QB,TE( blocking ) and DT.
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isnt that how we found Mckinnie and Shockey?
 
edge said:
Look I am not arguing that we need transfers. For sure this year we do. But long term that should never be a method to putting starters on the field. Grad transfers should be luxury depth, not main contributors. Let's look at recent transfer that have come here:
Boulware - Serviceable at best. Should have never been a starter here. He was forced there because of how poorly we have recruited on OL.
Olendingbo - He should have been the 4th DT off the bench, maybe even 5th. He was forced into 2 or 3 DT. No business being there is Norton and McIntosh stick around.
Spicer - Bad replacing worse
Dean - He was a #4 corner at best. Forced into 3 sport because of Malik injury.

The point is the talent you get in the transfer mark is average at best. Never going to build a championship squad if you think 4 guys on your two deep are grad transfers.
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First, grad transfers are not looking to transfer to a school to be luxury depth.
They are looking for more playing time, which usually means a starting role.
Beggars can't be choosy, and right now we are beggars insofar as roster spot are concerned.
The players you cited above were not great by any stretch of the imagination, but they helped us
fill voids accrued from poor recruiting.
I am glad they were on the roster.
 
We are going to be transfer U for the next year or 3 to make up for the 2019 class. We should use strategically thereafter.
 
MedleyCane said:
First, grad transfers are not looking to transfer to a school to be luxury depth.
They are looking for more playing time, which usually means a starting role.
Beggars can't be choosy, and right now we are beggars insofar as roster spot are concerned.
The players you cited above were not great by any stretch of the imagination, but they helped us
fill voids accrued from poor recruiting.
I am glad they were on the roster.
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Bring on a talented QB that is not an NFL prospect. Hurts or the Buffalo kid. These are the types of kids that can make a difference.

Again, I agree this year we need transfers. We are beggars at this point. We need DT, DE, and a QB. Maybe even a S.

But long term, tell me some difference makers on OU, Clemson, Bama or Georgia rosters? I cant think of one. Championship teams breed from birth to graduation.
 
edge said:
Look I am not arguing that we need transfers. For sure this year we do. But long term that should never be a method to putting starters on the field. Grad transfers should be luxury depth, not main contributors. Let's look at recent transfer that have come here:
Boulware - Serviceable at best. Should have never been a starter here. He was forced there because of how poorly we have recruited on OL.
Olendingbo - He should have been the 4th DT off the bench, maybe even 5th. He was forced into 2 or 3 DT. No business being there is Norton and McIntosh stick around.
Spicer - Bad replacing worse
Dean - He was a #4 corner at best. Forced into 3 sport because of Malik injury.
Delaney - Complete liability. Bandy quickly took that job. Please never bring a Division 2 player on board and pencil him a starter.

The point is the talent you get in the transfer mark is average at best. Never going to build a championship squad if you think 4 guys on your two deep are grad transfers.
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Just because we have been taking grad transfers or jucos in the past doesn’t not mean we have been doing it right. I get your point but notice I talked about taking the top grad transfers and being selective.

You have to think of it like recruiting we all want the 4 and 5 stars, we should only want the grad transfers who have proven their worth and are starting or atleast played significantly at their previous school.

Think Maurice Smith going form bama to UGA
 
edge said:
Look I am not arguing that we need transfers. For sure this year we do. But long term that should never be a method to putting starters on the field. Grad transfers should be luxury depth, not main contributors. Let's look at recent transfer that have come here:
Boulware - Serviceable at best. Should have never been a starter here. He was forced there because of how poorly we have recruited on OL.
Olendingbo - He should have been the 4th DT off the bench, maybe even 5th. He was forced into 2 or 3 DT. No business being there is Norton and McIntosh stick around.
Spicer - Bad replacing worse
Dean - He was a #4 corner at best. Forced into 3 sport because of Malik injury.
Delaney - Complete liability. Bandy quickly took that job. Please never bring a Division 2 player on board and pencil him a starter.

The point is the talent you get in the transfer mark is average at best. Never going to build a championship squad if you think 4 guys on your two deep are grad transfers.
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By the way that same Delaney is in the league .

And Adrian Colbert
 
cleverjdub said:
Just because we have been taking grad transfers or jucos in the past doesn’t not mean we have been doing it right. I get your point but notice I talked about taking the top grad transfers and being selective.

You have to think of it like recruiting we all want the 4 and 5 stars, we should only want the grad transfers who have proven their worth and are starting or atleast played significantly at their previous school.

Think Maurice Smith going form bama to UGA
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Top grad transfers are few and far between. If they are beasts they are going to the NFL, not another college. I get your point man. It's just more of a pipe dream then anything. Maurice Smith is one example. You won't be able to find many more.
 
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edge said:
Bring on a talented QB that is not an NFL prospect. Hurts or the Buffalo kid. These are the types of kids that can make a difference.

Again, I agree this year we need transfers. We are beggars at this point. We need DT, DE, and a QB. Maybe even a S.

But long term, tell me some difference makers on OU, Clemson, Bama or Georgia rosters? I cant think of one. Championship teams breed from birth to graduation.
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OU has had transfers, including a WR from StatePenn and two of their most recent QBs....they also dip into the JUCO pool.
Bama has had several grad transfers including the FSU QB transfer (Coker) and the Bowling Green WR...also occasionally dips into
the JUCO pool.
You're right that in the long run you want to rely on recruitment and development of stud HS players.
But you have to go where you the talent is, regardless if it's soFla or elsewhere.
Heck, Butch did this at UM.
What concerns me is if we have the appropriate folks in the recruiting office that have the smarts and tenacity
to uncover these sort of players.
 
MedleyCane said:
OU has had transfers, including a WR from StatePenn and two of their most recent QBs....they also dip into the JUCO pool.
Bama has had several grad transfers including the FSU QB transfer (Coker) and the Bowling Green WR...also occasionally dips into
the JUCO pool.
You're right that in the long run you want to rely on recruitment and development of stud HS players.
But you have to go where you the talent is, regardless if it's soFla or elsewhere.
Heck, Butch did this at UM.
What concerns me is if we have the appropriate folks in the recruiting office that have the smarts and tenacity
to uncover these sort of players.
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Well now we are getting on to a different subject. I am strictly referring to Grad Transfers. Guys that were at their previous school for 4 years. Baker was a transfer after his freshman year, similar to Fields this year. We should definitely go after those types. Big time talent that will be here for 2 years or more. Going back to my original point, grad transfers generally are not difference makers. If they were they would be off to the NFL.

Agree on the recruiting office points. Hopefully Manny has a plan there.
 
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