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We are THIS close from a championship game...

STORM_FRONT 1964 said:
Some stats to help us ID just how close or how far we are from the championship game:

Red Zone Defense
Alabama: 13th (.733)
Georgia: 34th (.800)
Miami: 105th (.881)
'16 Miami: .789
The skinny: The disparity between Miami and the title game teams in keeping teams off the scoreboard in this red zone is stunning. It also tells much of the story of why those teams are playing in Atlanta.
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Rushing Defense
Alabama: 1st (91.8 yards per game)
Georgia: 20th (121.9)
Miami: 43rd (145.8)
'16 Miami: 142.3
The skinny: The front seven was the heart of the Miami defense and it should be even better next season.
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Rushing Offense
Alabama: 10th (255.8 yards)
Georgia: 8th (267.4)
Miami: 71st (160.8)
The skinny: The injury to Mark Walton definitely hurt the Canes in this area.
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Scoring Defense
Alabama: 1st (11.1 points per game)
Georgia: 5th (15.7)
Miami: 28th (21.0)
'16 Miami: 19.8
The skinny: Miami's numbers were not bad. But you are seeing here what it takes to be elite.
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3rd Down Conversion Pct Offense
Alabama: 45th, .421
Georgia: 9th, .460
Miami: 125th .288
The skinny: It's amazing Miami won 10 games performing this poorly on third down. It's also probably a glaring statement as to why the quarterback competition will be open in spring and fall practice. Malik Rosier, while hardly worthy of taking sole blame, simply didn't come through enough in these critical situations.
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Scoring Offense
Alabama: 12th (37.9 points)
Georgia: 17th (36.3)
Miami: 59th (29.1)
The skinny: As you can see, Georgia and Alabama could score points while keeping opponent averages considerably lower. It's no secret why they are still standing.
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Team Sacks
Alabama: 22nd (2.77)
Georgia: 54th (2.21)
Miami: 1st (3.38)
'16 Miami: 2.8
The skinny: Miami got after the quarterback at a championship level.
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Time of Possession
Alabama: 67th
Georgia: 19th
Miami: 123rd (26 minutes per game)
The skinny: Miami repeatedly lost this battle and it's tough to win when the other team has the ball the majority of the time. The Canes did a good job overcoming this deficiency.
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Total Defense
Alabama: 1st (252.4 yards per game)
Georgia: 6th (289.5)
Miami: 38th (362.8)
'16 Miami 359.2
The skinny: Defense wins championships and Alabama and Georgia were two of the best statistically.
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Passing Defense
Alabama: 5th (169.5)
Georgia: 2nd (163.1)
Miami: 50th (216.1)
'16 Miami (217.0)

I added our 2016 defensive stats to show my disappointment in our defense this year. How did we take a step backwards defensively playing less competition?
I'm sure your thinking what why does being worse by 3 yards make a difference? It because we played far, FAR more superior offenses last year then we did this year and we performed worse this year.

QB leading their offense '16 vs '17.
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Trubisky - #1 Draft Pick
Francois - FSU Starter
Evans - VT - 29/8 TD-Int 63%
Kizer - 2nd Round Pick
Peterman - Drafted
Benkurt
Finley - Who will be drafted this year.
Jones
Howard

vs

Blackman - true freshman
Jones
Dungy - overrated as ****
Benkurt
Wimbush
Woodside
Some true freshman for Pitt
Kelly
Hornibrooke

Then you add in the fact that:
- FSU had Cook and Francois.
- UNC was loaded offensively. Hood, Logan, Switzer, Howard, and Proehl who did not play vs us this year because of injury.
- UVa had Manziel who I think set the receiving record for UVa vs us last year.
- VT was also loaded offensively with Ford, Hodges, Phillips, and Rogers.
- ND also had Tory Hunter who had more catches then ND's leading WR this year.
- WVU and Pitt had top 10 offenses if I'm not mistaken.
- It was the FIRST year in the system.
- Our entire front 7 was back and we had 3 DBs who played a good bit in '16 (Johnson, Redwine, and Young)

This is why I'm bugging about the defense this year. We took a step back playing lesser talent as a whole. Other then FSU and Clemson no one else had equal talent to us IMO.
 
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STORM_FRONT 1964 said:
Some stats to help us ID just how close or how far we are from the championship game:

Red Zone Defense
Alabama: 13th (.733)
Georgia: 34th (.800)
Miami: 105th (.881)
The skinny: The disparity between Miami and the title game teams in keeping teams off the scoreboard in this red zone is stunning. It also tells much of the story of why those teams are playing in Atlanta.
**************

Rushing Defense
Alabama: 1st (91.8 yards per game)
Georgia: 20th (121.9)
Miami: 43rd (145.8)
The skinny: The front seven was the heart of the Miami defense and it should be even better next season.
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Rushing Offense
Alabama: 10th (255.8 yards)
Georgia: 8th (267.4)
Miami: 71st (160.8)
The skinny: The injury to Mark Walton definitely hurt the Canes in this area.
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Scoring Defense
Alabama: 1st (11.1 points per game)
Georgia: 5th (15.7)
Miami: 28th (21.0)
The skinny: Miami's numbers were not bad. But you are seeing here what it takes to be elite.
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3rd Down Conversion Pct Offense
Alabama: 45th, .421
Georgia: 9th, .460
Miami: 125th .288
The skinny: It's amazing Miami won 10 games performing this poorly on third down. It's also probably a glaring statement as to why the quarterback competition will be open in spring and fall practice. Malik Rosier, while hardly worthy of taking sole blame, simply didn't come through enough in these critical situations.
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Scoring Offense
Alabama: 12th (37.9 points)
Georgia: 17th (36.3)
Miami: 59th (29.1)
The skinny: As you can see, Georgia and Alabama could score points while keeping opponent averages considerably lower. It's no secret why they are still standing.
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Team Sacks
Alabama: 22nd (2.77)
Georgia: 54th (2.21)
Miami: 1st (3.38)
The skinny: Miami got after the quarterback at a championship level.
***************

Time of Possession
Alabama: 67th
Georgia: 19th
Miami: 123rd (26 minutes per game)
The skinny: Miami repeatedly lost this battle and it's tough to win when the other team has the ball the majority of the time. The Canes did a good job overcoming this deficiency.
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Total Defense
Alabama: 1st (252.4 yards per game)
Georgia: 6th (289.5)
Miami: 38th (362.8)
The skinny: Defense wins championships and Alabama and Georgia were two of the best statistically.
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Our schedule was way tougher than Bama’s and UGA’s. Bama has 3 Non Power 5 teams on their schedule w a host of poor SEC teams. However, ur definitely hitting the nail on the head; I think improving our 3rd down efficiency on both sides of the ball and RZ efficiency on both sides will drastically change these stats.
 
TreOFive said:
Shogungts said:
TreOFive said:
can we get a break down of how much eSECpn sucking off Saben and the SEC factor into the equation? How about how much non calls have an outcome on who plays/wins in bowls
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You think the Miami team that played those last 3 games has any chance against UGA or Bama in a head to head? GTFOH
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And just to help me understand....where exactly did I say this? Reading comprehension is seriousley lacking for many on this board
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My reading comprehension skills are just fine. Part of reading comprehension is being able to infer what someone means when they say/write something without them having to say/write it verbatim. You posted in a topic that compared how far off Miami is compared to Alabama and UGA by looking at their comparative stats and complaining that the 'equation' was off due to ESPN bias. The logical conclusion that someone might imply is that you think that Miami is not as far off from Alabama and UGA as the stats suggest because ESPN bias and/or non calls.

So I will ask a little bit more specifically this time... do you think that if Miami played Alabama or UGA and the refs made all of the correct calls in the game that Miami would have a chance against either of those schools?

If you do not think that Miami would have a chance, perhaps you need to work on your writing skills.
 
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STORM_FRONT 1964 said:
Some stats to help us ID just how close or how far we are from the championship game:

Team Sacks
Alabama: 22nd (2.77)
Georgia: 54th (2.21)
Miami: 1st (3.38)
The skinny: Miami got after the quarterback at a championship level.
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Time of Possession
Alabama: 67th
Georgia: 19th
Miami: 123rd (26 minutes per game)
The skinny: Miami repeatedly lost this battle and it's tough to win when the other team has the ball the majority of the time. The Canes did a good job overcoming this deficiency.
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Total Defense
Alabama: 1st (252.4 yards per game)
Georgia: 6th (289.5)
Miami: 38th (362.8)
The skinny: Defense wins championships and Alabama and Georgia were two of the best statistically.
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Here is how we get to elite level on defense, make teams pay for all the turnovers we were gifted by our ballhawking D...and closer to a contender:
How Jimmy Garoppolo helped maximize 49ers defense in Chicago | Niners Wire
It really is that simple.
 
I think it will soon come to light that Manny is really not that good unless he changes. He has the right idea with the swarming D and letting his athletes play, but something's still missing, its like he can't adjust when the other team figures out what he's doing. I don't have the answer but maybe he needs to get more into the x's and P's. We would shut em down on 1st and 2nd then on 3rd and long it seemed to be an almost automatic 1st for opponent. I think with a good QB the offense will be fine but Richt needs to step up his game some, but I am hoping a lot of that was due to a lame quarterback
 
Texxcane said:
I think it will soon come to light that Manny is really not that good unless he changes. He has the right idea with the swarming D and letting his athletes play, but something's still missing, its like he can't adjust when the other team figures out what he's doing. I don't have the answer but maybe he needs to get more into the x's and P's. We would shut em down on 1st and 2nd then on 3rd and long it seemed to be an almost automatic 1st for opponent. I think with a good QB the offense will be fine but Richt needs to step up his game some, but I am hoping a lot of that was due to a lame quarterback
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If our O can get leads and stay on the field more by converting 3rd downs, our D might look a little better. No D is going to overcome our O converting so few 3rd downs.
 
Guys - coming into the year we KNEW our DBs were the weakness ....
- we lose 2 DBs that get drafted and we replace them with a 4 star, a 3 star and a grad transfer from the Citadel

In the next 5 years you will never be able to go to the message boards at Bama, UGA and Clemson and see their fans hoping the Citadel transfer works out

We had some really good players coming into the year ---- but zero depth DB, RB and TE
 
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Gatorhater said:
So, we are close. With all these horrible stats we still only lost one game - just like Bama, uga,Clemson and ou. Couple more big time players and quality depth and we are much closer than it looks.
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And had to play just awful to lose that one (Pitt). A dozen mistakes and failure on O and D, making one or two of said
the difference between winning and losing.

Anyway, those stats can be misleading. We are a QB and OL away from UGA and Bama, for all intents. THATS what the stats really mean. A good QB and our scoring, TOP and 3rd down conversion % jump way up there. Same with a good OL. THIS would also move us up the ladder in the defensive categories as well.

****, the D was always on the field, fighting for our lives, against mostly every opponent. Awful teams like UNC had series after series in great field position from start to finish., Because of our offense.

Switch our OL and QB with UGA, and we are in the NC game (maybe) and they dont win the SEC East.

Seriously, would Bama and UGA be in the NC game with Rosier and our OL? Never. Would they be with any of our other units? Probably.
 
ThomasM said:
Texxcane said:
I think it will soon come to light that Manny is really not that good unless he changes. He has the right idea with the swarming D and letting his athletes play, but something's still missing, its like he can't adjust when the other team figures out what he's doing. I don't have the answer but maybe he needs to get more into the x's and P's. We would shut em down on 1st and 2nd then on 3rd and long it seemed to be an almost automatic 1st for opponent. I think with a good QB the offense will be fine but Richt needs to step up his game some, but I am hoping a lot of that was due to a lame quarterback
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If our O can get leads and stay on the field more by converting 3rd downs, our D might look a little better. No D is going to overcome our O converting so few 3rd downs.
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Yep. Those nailbighters like Cuse, GT, UNC, FSU, etc would have been blowouts with competant Offense early.
 
STORM_FRONT 1964 said:
Some stats to help us ID just how close or how far we are from the championship game:

Red Zone Defense
Alabama: 13th (.733)
Georgia: 34th (.800)
Miami: 105th (.881)
The skinny: The disparity between Miami and the title game teams in keeping teams off the scoreboard in this red zone is stunning. It also tells much of the story of why those teams are playing in Atlanta.
**************

Rushing Defense
Alabama: 1st (91.8 yards per game)
Georgia: 20th (121.9)
Miami: 43rd (145.8)
The skinny: The front seven was the heart of the Miami defense and it should be even better next season.
****************

Rushing Offense
Alabama: 10th (255.8 yards)
Georgia: 8th (267.4)
Miami: 71st (160.8)
The skinny: The injury to Mark Walton definitely hurt the Canes in this area.
****************

Scoring Defense
Alabama: 1st (11.1 points per game)
Georgia: 5th (15.7)
Miami: 28th (21.0)
The skinny: Miami's numbers were not bad. But you are seeing here what it takes to be elite.
*******************

3rd Down Conversion Pct Offense
Alabama: 45th, .421
Georgia: 9th, .460
Miami: 125th .288
The skinny: It's amazing Miami won 10 games performing this poorly on third down. It's also probably a glaring statement as to why the quarterback competition will be open in spring and fall practice. Malik Rosier, while hardly worthy of taking sole blame, simply didn't come through enough in these critical situations.
*******************

Scoring Offense
Alabama: 12th (37.9 points)
Georgia: 17th (36.3)
Miami: 59th (29.1)
The skinny: As you can see, Georgia and Alabama could score points while keeping opponent averages considerably lower. It's no secret why they are still standing.
******************

Team Sacks
Alabama: 22nd (2.77)
Georgia: 54th (2.21)
Miami: 1st (3.38)
The skinny: Miami got after the quarterback at a championship level.
***************

Time of Possession
Alabama: 67th
Georgia: 19th
Miami: 123rd (26 minutes per game)
The skinny: Miami repeatedly lost this battle and it's tough to win when the other team has the ball the majority of the time. The Canes did a good job overcoming this deficiency.
*******************

Total Defense
Alabama: 1st (252.4 yards per game)
Georgia: 6th (289.5)
Miami: 38th (362.8)
The skinny: Defense wins championships and Alabama and Georgia were two of the best statistically.
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We get our OL intact it will help with Rushing the FB. With that
Rush offense improves (obviously)
Also, TOP improves, as well as 3rd down conversions and red zone efficiency. Right now we got made 1 dimensional by ALOT of teams. With a srtreaky QB and his inability to change the play at the line. That kills us on 3rd down and red zone.
Depth was a factor down the stretch on the Defensive side of the ball. As well, our offensive deficiencies hurt our defense production.
We improve those stats we win the ACC and compete in the playoffs. This recruiting cycle is about to jumpstart this team in so many ways.
Competition will chase softies out and make our solid players take the next step in their game
 
Texxcane said:
I think it will soon come to light that Manny is really not that good unless he changes. He has the right idea with the swarming D and letting his athletes play, but something's still missing, its like he can't adjust when the other team figures out what he's doing. I don't have the answer but maybe he needs to get more into the x's and P's. We would shut em down on 1st and 2nd then on 3rd and long it seemed to be an almost automatic 1st for opponent. I think with a good QB the offense will be fine but Richt needs to step up his game some, but I am hoping a lot of that was due to a lame quarterback
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Seems that it has been that way for years. Gonna take 5 years, folks. Just like it was with Butch.
 
Thanks for the facts, but it tells us what we already knew, need better interior line recruiting on both sides. The OL recruiting happening faster than DT. This team was so lacking for top D-1 talent and depth by the last idiots, it's taking this staff longer than we thought and the inability get multiple DT's in each class has slowed the progression of this team. Staff has just got to find a couple diamonds that need polishing until we have rep for winning big games and tough defenses.
 
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TrueFloridian said:
Keep reminding yourselves UM was without Walton, Herndon, and Richards. Not even Bama or Clemson could overcome that. UM isn’t all the way back and we knew that. This was a dream season that came a year early. Relax people.

Nice stats OP!!!
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Might also want to remember how many 3rd down balls Richards dropped in those stats
 
Gotta love all the random UM "fans" taking pleasure in saying that we are nowhere close. **** is ridiculous around here.
 
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