Watching early commitments is fun...but...

[lurk]

Watching early commitments is fun... but only commitments from around now forward will become more predictive of those will will sign for 2021.

If you look at the players we signed in 2020, there were only 2 commitments* (that never decommitted) who were committed before this time last year: Dominick Mammarelli (3/31/18) and Don Chaney, Jr. (2/3/19)

It took until 4/29/19 to start getting unwavering commitments who turned into signers, beginning with Tyler Van Dyke.

I still watch the "too early" commitments. It's enjoyable. But it isn't very prognosticative.

That said, I personally think taking early commitments is not an awful strategy. It helped lead to Mammarelli having some theoretical momentum to join, and eventually led to the eventual return of Avantae Williams (originally 2/2/17) and Elijah Roberts (6/9/18).

*Note: Willie Moise (3/1/18) would/will be a third "unwavering" success story, but, as of yet, he is not signed.

 

[troyskiles]

Well, ok, Sport. Hang in there, it is a rollercoaster.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Coaches did a good job on selling our 2020 class on not taking any more visits after committing philosophy last year. Hoping that continues going forward into 21'

 

[Go Canes!!]

PS. Wonder if those bags were still worth it.

 

[wSmokin Sebastian]

That is a fair assessment of us. But how does that shake out across the board with every other school. Given that astronomical amount of decomittments we have compared to other schools im not so sure it is always that way.

I havent looked at how many decommitt from their early pledges but plenty of schools have early committments.

 

[brock]

Watching early commitments is fun... but only commitments from around now forward will become more predictive of those will will sign for 2021.

If you look at the players we signed in 2020, there were only 2 commitments* (that never decommitted) who were committed before this time last year: Dominick Mammarelli (3/31/18) and Don Chaney, Jr. (2/3/19)

It took until 4/29/19 to start getting unwavering commitments who turned into signers, beginning with Tyler Van Dyke.

I still watch the "too early" commitments. It's enjoyable. But it isn't very prognosticative.

That said, I personally think taking early commitments is not an awful strategy. It helped lead to Mammarelli having some theoretical momentum to join, and eventually led to the eventual return of Avantae Williams (originally 2/2/17) and Elijah Roberts (6/9/18).

*Note: Willie Moise (3/1/18) would/will be a third "unwavering" success story, but, as of yet, he is not signed.

Miami needs to decelerate the recruiting process anyway so I’m fine with how everything is transpiring. Slow it don’t a bit this time of the year

 

[HurricaneU]

Just spit-balling here, but might be a correlation between decomittments and product on the field. /s

 

[flagator86]

Watching early commitments is fun... but only commitments from around now forward will become more predictive of those will will sign for 2021.

If you look at the players we signed in 2020, there were only 2 commitments* (that never decommitted) who were committed before this time last year: Dominick Mammarelli (3/31/18) and Don Chaney, Jr. (2/3/19)

It took until 4/29/19 to start getting unwavering commitments who turned into signers, beginning with Tyler Van Dyke.

I still watch the "too early" commitments. It's enjoyable. But it isn't very prognosticative.

That said, I personally think taking early commitments is not an awful strategy. It helped lead to Mammarelli having some theoretical momentum to join, and eventually led to the eventual return of Avantae Williams (originally 2/2/17) and Elijah Roberts (6/9/18).

*Note: Willie Moise (3/1/18) would/will be a third "unwavering" success story, but, as of yet, he is not signed.

This may be a spin off to it's on thread, but Miami was pretty strategic with who they extended an offer to last cycle and maybe that's by design

College Football Teams With Most (and Fewest) Offers to 2020 Recruits

Seven teams made at least 400 offers to 2020 recruits, while four teams made fewer than 80.

herosports.com

TEAM	OFFERS	COMMITS	RATE
Southern Miss	587	23	3.9%
Tennessee	490	23	4.7%
Louisville	446	25	5.6%
Nebraska	442	24	5.4%
Air Force	439	46	10.5%
Toledo	425	20	4.7%
Kentucky	412	23	5.6%
Liberty	389	27	6.9%
Army	388	57	14.7%
Syracuse	382	22	5.8%
Rutgers	371	20	5.4%
Kansas	367	26	7.1%
Indiana	364	19	5.2%
Purdue	361	21	5.8%
Kent State	359	23	6.4%
FAU	353	19	5.4%
West Virginia	352	22	6.3%
Boston College	351	15	4.3%
Ole Miss	350	17	4.9%
UMass	341	25	7.3%
Tulane	340	21	6.2%
Michigan	338	23	6.8%
South Alabama	323	25	7.7%
Colorado	316	24	7.6%
LSU	316	24	7.6%
Oregon	313	22	7.0%
Colorado State	311	18	5.8%
Bowling Green	307	32	10.4%
Maryland	302	27	8.9%
Western Kentucky	302	26	8.6%
Florida	294	25	8.5%
Virginia	290	16	5.5%
Arkansas	290	21	7.2%
Pittsburgh	289	18	6.2%
Coastal Carolina	283	23	8.1%
Central Michigan	281	22	7.8%
Iowa State	280	22	7.9%
Troy	278	24	8.6%
Navy	275	65	23.6%
Florida State	274	25	9.1%
Virginia Tech	272	15	5.5%
Georgia Tech	269	24	8.9%
Akron	267	27	10.1%
Georgia	267	25	9.4%
Minnesota	264	24	9.1%
Auburn	263	26	9.9%
Missouri	262	17	6.5%
Penn State	261	27	10.3%
Cincinnati	257	22	8.6%
Arizona	255	19	7.5%
FIU	254	22	8.7%
Miami (FL)	253	22	8.7%
Alabama	252	25	9.9%
Memphis	249	18	7.2%
Temple	248	19	7.7%
Vanderbilt	245	19	7.8%
USF	242	15	6.2%
Kansas State	241	27	11.2%
Arizona State	234	20	8.5%
Texas A&M	233	26	11.2%
Utah	229	21	9.2%
UAB	227	17	7.5%
Ball State	226	21	9.3%
South Carolina	223	24	10.8%
Mississippi State	222	23	10.4%
Utah State	217	17	7.8%
East Carolina	213	27	12.7%
UCF	213	20	9.4%
Illinois	212	13	6.1%
Western Michigan	209	20	9.6%
Duke	206	17	8.3%
Michigan State	206	22	10.7%
Ohio State	206	25	12.1%
UL Monroe	204	22	10.8%
North Carolina	199	25	12.6%
Washington State	199	23	11.6%
Arkansas State	197	21	10.7%
Oklahoma	196	23	11.7%
Baylor	190	17	8.9%
Buffalo	190	16	8.4%
Louisiana	189	20	10.6%
Houston	188	18	9.6%
Charlotte	187	22	11.8%
Marshall	186	23	12.4%
Eastern Michigan	185	21	11.4%
SMU	182	15	8.2%
Wake Forest	177	22	12.4%
App State	177	20	11.3%
USC	176	13	7.4%
UNLV	169	28	16.6%
Oregon State	168	20	11.9%
NC State	164	21	12.8%
Notre Dame	160	17	10.6%
Nevada	159	19	11.9%
San Jose State	154	19	12.3%
Georgia State	153	16	10.5%
Tulsa	151	20	13.2%
Wisconsin	151	20	13.2%
Oklahoma State	148	21	14.2%
Texas Tech	148	19	12.8%
North Texas	148	22	14.9%
New Mexico	148	23	15.5%
TCU	147	18	12.2%
UTSA	144	16	11.1%
Georgia Southern	143	22	15.4%
Middle Tennessee	141	21	14.9%
Louisiana Tech	140	23	16.4%
Northern Illinois	139	28	20.1%
Hawai'i	139	17	12.2%
Texas State	136	19	14.0%
New Mexico State	134	18	13.4%
Miami (OH)	133	25	18.8%
Cal	133	26	19.5%
Iowa	132	21	15.9%
Texas	130	19	14.6%
UConn	126	25	19.8%
Wyoming	126	24	19.0%
Ohio	115	15	13.0%
UTEP	110	28	25.5%
Boise State	110	19	17.3%
San Diego State	110	17	15.5%
Old Dominion	107	21	19.6%
Clemson	106	23	21.7%
UCLA	106	20	18.9%
BYU	105	30	28.6%
Fresno State	101	15	14.9%
Washington	79	22	27.8%
Stanford	74	25	33.8%
Northwestern	70	17	24.3%
Rice	70	19	27.1%

 

[skillydoo]

PS. Wonder if those bags were still worth it.


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But look at that Saturday. Be a great day to sneek in a couple rounds of disc golf.

 

[305to954]

PS. Wonder if those bags were still worth it.


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Harrell/Avantae/ balom is a better haul anyways

 

[Memnon]

I stated earlier this year we shouldn't take any early commits until after Summer, there were quite a few people who disagreed with me understandably but the fact still remains the more we take early commits the more we'll continue to lead the nation in decommits by a wide margin.

This season in particular, I'm fine with being late to the commit party, still send out offers & continue to stay in contact recruiting every prospect on your board, but I think people underestimate how much more power we'll have on the trail if we fúck around & actually start winning this year.

If we strung together a win streak & pulled off 10 wins this season you'd be shocked to see how many kids would be jumping on the bandwagon.

I'd much rather be the hot team with momentum that's grabbing all the recruits attention due to a good season, than be a placeholder team that has to hold on for dear life while we sit back & get all our best targets plucked off last minute.

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter when you get an early verbal, come crootin' season Dec-Jan everybody is looking around & reevaluating their options.

If we win the Coastal this season we'll be snatching up legit prospects left & right, and for once we'll be the team doing the poaching & causing flips instead of getting played like we normally do.

 

[Damiencane86]

I stated earlier this year we shouldn't take any early commits until after Summer, there were quite a few people who disagreed with me understandably but the fact still remains the more we take early commits the more we'll continue to lead the nation in decommits by a wide margin.

This season in particular, I'm fine with being late to the commit party, still send out offers & continue to stay in contact recruiting every prospect on your board, but I think people underestimate how much more power we'll have on the trail if we fúck around & actually start winning this year.

If we strung together a win streak & pulled off 10 wins this season you'd be shocked to see how many kids would be jumping on the bandwagon.

I'd much rather be the hot team with momentum that's grabbing all the recruits attention due to a good season, than be a placeholder team that has to hold on for dear life while we sit back & get all our best targets plucked off last minute.

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter when you get an early verbal, come crootin' season Dec-Jan everybody is looking around & reevaluating their options.

If we win the Coastal this season we'll be snatching up legit prospects left & right, and for once we'll be the team doing the poaching & causing flips instead of getting played like we normally do.

I agree. I think qb may be the one exception as the need for a solid prospect is paramount and great qb prospects are in limited quantity. I'm totally in favor of Paradise camp to start accepting commitments from kids we like, want, and seem less likely to drop us.

 

[margate]

I stated earlier this year we shouldn't take any early commits until after Summer, there were quite a few people who disagreed with me understandably but the fact still remains the more we take early commits the more we'll continue to lead the nation in decommits by a wide margin.

This season in particular, I'm fine with being late to the commit party, still send out offers & continue to stay in contact recruiting every prospect on your board, but I think people underestimate how much more power we'll have on the trail if we fúck around & actually start winning this year.

If we strung together a win streak & pulled off 10 wins this season you'd be shocked to see how many kids would be jumping on the bandwagon.

I'd much rather be the hot team with momentum that's grabbing all the recruits attention due to a good season, than be a placeholder team that has to hold on for dear life while we sit back & get all our best targets plucked off last minute.

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter when you get an early verbal, come crootin' season Dec-Jan everybody is looking around & reevaluating their options.

If we win the Coastal this season we'll be snatching up legit prospects left & right, and for once we'll be the team doing the poaching & causing flips instead of getting played like we normally do.

agree 100%

 

[lurk]

PS. Wonder if those bags were still worth it.


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Shame on your shade of Nebraska. You're totally disregarding Nebraska's beaches and scantily gals. Oops... my mistake.

 

[kanecrazed]

This may be a spin off to it's on thread, but Miami was pretty strategic with who they extended an offer to last cycle and maybe that's by design

College Football Teams With Most (and Fewest) Offers to 2020 Recruits

Seven teams made at least 400 offers to 2020 recruits, while four teams made fewer than 80.

herosports.com

TEAM	OFFERS	COMMITS	RATE
Southern Miss	587	23	3.9%
Tennessee	490	23	4.7%
Louisville	446	25	5.6%
Nebraska	442	24	5.4%
Air Force	439	46	10.5%
Toledo	425	20	4.7%
Kentucky	412	23	5.6%
Liberty	389	27	6.9%
Army	388	57	14.7%
Syracuse	382	22	5.8%
Rutgers	371	20	5.4%
Kansas	367	26	7.1%
Indiana	364	19	5.2%
Purdue	361	21	5.8%
Kent State	359	23	6.4%
FAU	353	19	5.4%
West Virginia	352	22	6.3%
Boston College	351	15	4.3%
Ole Miss	350	17	4.9%
UMass	341	25	7.3%
Tulane	340	21	6.2%
Michigan	338	23	6.8%
South Alabama	323	25	7.7%
Colorado	316	24	7.6%
LSU	316	24	7.6%
Oregon	313	22	7.0%
Colorado State	311	18	5.8%
Bowling Green	307	32	10.4%
Maryland	302	27	8.9%
Western Kentucky	302	26	8.6%
Florida	294	25	8.5%
Virginia	290	16	5.5%
Arkansas	290	21	7.2%
Pittsburgh	289	18	6.2%
Coastal Carolina	283	23	8.1%
Central Michigan	281	22	7.8%
Iowa State	280	22	7.9%
Troy	278	24	8.6%
Navy	275	65	23.6%
Florida State	274	25	9.1%
Virginia Tech	272	15	5.5%
Georgia Tech	269	24	8.9%
Akron	267	27	10.1%
Georgia	267	25	9.4%
Minnesota	264	24	9.1%
Auburn	263	26	9.9%
Missouri	262	17	6.5%
Penn State	261	27	10.3%
Cincinnati	257	22	8.6%
Arizona	255	19	7.5%
FIU	254	22	8.7%
Miami (FL)	253	22	8.7%
Alabama	252	25	9.9%
Memphis	249	18	7.2%
Temple	248	19	7.7%
Vanderbilt	245	19	7.8%
USF	242	15	6.2%
Kansas State	241	27	11.2%
Arizona State	234	20	8.5%
Texas A&M	233	26	11.2%
Utah	229	21	9.2%
UAB	227	17	7.5%
Ball State	226	21	9.3%
South Carolina	223	24	10.8%
Mississippi State	222	23	10.4%
Utah State	217	17	7.8%
East Carolina	213	27	12.7%
UCF	213	20	9.4%
Illinois	212	13	6.1%
Western Michigan	209	20	9.6%
Duke	206	17	8.3%
Michigan State	206	22	10.7%
Ohio State	206	25	12.1%
UL Monroe	204	22	10.8%
North Carolina	199	25	12.6%
Washington State	199	23	11.6%
Arkansas State	197	21	10.7%
Oklahoma	196	23	11.7%
Baylor	190	17	8.9%
Buffalo	190	16	8.4%
Louisiana	189	20	10.6%
Houston	188	18	9.6%
Charlotte	187	22	11.8%
Marshall	186	23	12.4%
Eastern Michigan	185	21	11.4%
SMU	182	15	8.2%
Wake Forest	177	22	12.4%
App State	177	20	11.3%
USC	176	13	7.4%
UNLV	169	28	16.6%
Oregon State	168	20	11.9%
NC State	164	21	12.8%
Notre Dame	160	17	10.6%
Nevada	159	19	11.9%
San Jose State	154	19	12.3%
Georgia State	153	16	10.5%
Tulsa	151	20	13.2%
Wisconsin	151	20	13.2%
Oklahoma State	148	21	14.2%
Texas Tech	148	19	12.8%
North Texas	148	22	14.9%
New Mexico	148	23	15.5%
TCU	147	18	12.2%
UTSA	144	16	11.1%
Georgia Southern	143	22	15.4%
Middle Tennessee	141	21	14.9%
Louisiana Tech	140	23	16.4%
Northern Illinois	139	28	20.1%
Hawai'i	139	17	12.2%
Texas State	136	19	14.0%
New Mexico State	134	18	13.4%
Miami (OH)	133	25	18.8%
Cal	133	26	19.5%
Iowa	132	21	15.9%
Texas	130	19	14.6%
UConn	126	25	19.8%
Wyoming	126	24	19.0%
Ohio	115	15	13.0%
UTEP	110	28	25.5%
Boise State	110	19	17.3%
San Diego State	110	17	15.5%
Old Dominion	107	21	19.6%
Clemson	106	23	21.7%
UCLA	106	20	18.9%
BYU	105	30	28.6%
Fresno State	101	15	14.9%
Washington	79	22	27.8%
Stanford	74	25	33.8%
Northwestern	70	17	24.3%
Rice	70	19	27.1%

**** clemson is efficient. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[CFLCane]

I stated earlier this year we shouldn't take any early commits until after Summer, there were quite a few people who disagreed with me understandably but the fact still remains the more we take early commits the more we'll continue to lead the nation in decommits by a wide margin.

This season in particular, I'm fine with being late to the commit party, still send out offers & continue to stay in contact recruiting every prospect on your board, but I think people underestimate how much more power we'll have on the trail if we fúck around & actually start winning this year.

If we strung together a win streak & pulled off 10 wins this season you'd be shocked to see how many kids would be jumping on the bandwagon.

I'd much rather be the hot team with momentum that's grabbing all the recruits attention due to a good season, than be a placeholder team that has to hold on for dear life while we sit back & get all our best targets plucked off last minute.

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter when you get an early verbal, come crootin' season Dec-Jan everybody is looking around & reevaluating their options.

If we win the Coastal this season we'll be snatching up legit prospects left & right, and for once we'll be the team doing the poaching & causing flips instead of getting played like we normally do.

By the time you get to 10 wins theres only a couple weeks left of recruiting before ESD

 

[BeastMode]

PS. Wonder if those bags were still worth it.


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and he will never play in a high profile prime time game haha.

 

[Memnon]

By the time you get to 10 wins theres only a couple weeks left of recruiting before ESD

Perfect.

That would mean we wouldn't have any decommits & everybody we're going to get by that time would be locked in.

What you don't want is a bunch of early verbals in March/April/May/June etc only for them to decommit in September/October/November.

I'm not saying we shouldn't accept any commits until we get 10 wins, I'm saying on the road to having a winning season it would strengthen our selling points on the trail.

If we load up on early commits before the season starts just go ahead & start the countdown on decommit watch for most of'em, that's the reality.

 

[SayWhat]

**** clemson is efficient. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

That list, it's crap. A list like this depends recruits saying they've been offered. Schools aren't extending a commitable offer to that many recruits. Clemson's reported numbers are right around where I would expect the elites to be.