Watching Defense All-22 of UM-FSU from 2013: PART I

[Coach Macho]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

What da what? As a LB, when you drop to your zones you are suppose to keep your head on a swivel and find the nearest threat. How are you going to defend the 2 and 3 wr coming across if you dont know where he is at? Cmon i learned that **** in little league.

Have you ever seen us defend the 2 or 3 WR coming acorss? LOL

Lol you do have a point

I haven't seen it happen yet this year but we used to get tore up by shallow drag routes. WR's would run right across Perryman's face (cause he wouldn't even see them coming) catch the ball and turn the corner for an easy 15+ yards.

 

[CanesNation26]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

As someone who is not very learned in schemes, what theoretical justification is given for instructing your lb's this way? This explains a lot of what I've been seeing over the past 4.5 years though. There are plays where the the opposing teams' WR's make catches right next to our linebackers and it's almost as if our linebackers didn't have a clue that the receiver was in the area and thus didn't react quick enough. Amateur hour at the U

 

[plantcity3]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

What da what? As a LB, when you drop to your zones you are suppose to keep your head on a swivel and find the nearest threat. How are you going to defend the 2 and 3 wr coming across if you dont know where he is at? Cmon i learned that **** in little league.

Have you ever seen us defend the 2 or 3 WR coming acorss? LOL

Lol you do have a point

I haven't seen it happen yet this year but we used to get tore up by shallow drag routes. WR's would run right across Perryman's face (cause he wouldn't even see them coming) catch the ball and turn the corner for an easy 15+ yards.

Is that suppose to be their way of minimizing freelancing? I guess they figure if the lbs keep their eyes on the qb then they will be less tempted to chase routes and leave their zones? Or am i reaching?

 

[CanesNation26]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

What da what? As a LB, when you drop to your zones you are suppose to keep your head on a swivel and find the nearest threat. How are you going to defend the 2 and 3 wr coming across if you dont know where he is at? Cmon i learned that **** in little league.

Have you ever seen us defend the 2 or 3 WR coming acorss? LOL

Lol you do have a point

I haven't seen it happen yet this year but we used to get tore up by shallow drag routes. WR's would run right across Perryman's face (cause he wouldn't even see them coming) catch the ball and turn the corner for an easy 15+ yards.

This exactly, mind boggling.

 

[bxcanesbomber]

My avatar is dnofrio shoveling thru 3900 play sheets [emoji23]

 

[mwcane31]

I hate how they rotate in about 12 defensive linemen in every defensive series! Do you mean to tell me that Chad Thomas should stay on the field in only certain situations?

How good would Thomas and Muhammed be if Miami played a 4-3 and kept them in the **** game until they got tired? Their stats would be great!

 

[M3N]

Great job OP. Makes me sick. I can remember during the first 3 years the crossing and dig routes killed us. LBs never looked at what was coming in. Now I know why... Lol. Hurlie need his cane card revoked for teaching this BS.

 

[DiegoCane]

Great job OP. Makes me sick. I can remember during the first 3 years the crossing and dig routes killed us. LBs never looked at what was coming in. Now I know why... Lol. Hurlie need his cane card revoked for teaching this BS.

Do you really think this is Hurlie's idea?

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

How good would Thomas and Muhammed be if Miami played a 4-3 and kept them in the **** game until they got tired?

Amazing that D'Antonio has rebuilt MSU with our old 4-3...Narduzzi parlayed it into a HCing gig...Patterson's made a career out of a variation of it...and we got these bozos basically telling us that it's obsolete.

 

[HEMICANE]

Great job and now I know why after every game I hear from coaches/players that they made a mental mistake here or there etc. Common sense says that if mental mistakes are still occurring after 5 years your scheme is the problem. I just have one question, what adjustments were made in the 2nd half on defense that shut them down until basically that last drive?

 

[Coach Macho]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

As someone who is not very learned in schemes, what theoretical justification is given for instructing your lb's this way? This explains a lot of what I've been seeing over the past 4.5 years though. There are plays where the the opposing teams' WR's make catches right next to our linebackers and it's almost as if our linebackers didn't have a clue that the receiver was in the area and thus didn't react quick enough. Amateur hour at the U

You'd be surprised how many teams still cover this way with their LB's. Kinda boggles my mind. There's a better way to do things now but not everybody in the football world has caught up yet.

 

[Coach Macho]

What da what? As a LB, when you drop to your zones you are suppose to keep your head on a swivel and find the nearest threat. How are you going to defend the 2 and 3 wr coming across if you dont know where he is at? Cmon i learned that **** in little league.

Have you ever seen us defend the 2 or 3 WR coming acorss? LOL

Lol you do have a point

I haven't seen it happen yet this year but we used to get tore up by shallow drag routes. WR's would run right across Perryman's face (cause he wouldn't even see them coming) catch the ball and turn the corner for an easy 15+ yards.

Is that suppose to be their way of minimizing freelancing? I guess they figure if the lbs keep their eyes on the qb then they will be less tempted to chase routes and leave their zones? Or am i reaching?

I don't know, dude. I see absolutely zero benefit from doing it their way.

My logic has always been: The QB is throwing the ball to the WR, not you. Be the WR. (ex: cut off his route then snap your head towards the QB)

I found that it's actually pretty easy to teach LB's as well. In short, you're telling them to run full speed to the nearest WR (their primary read) and cut-off (or "apex") his route.

 

[Coach Macho]

I hate how they rotate in about 12 defensive linemen in every defensive series! Do you mean to tell me that Chad Thomas should stay on the field in only certain situations?

How good would Thomas and Muhammed be if Miami played a 4-3 and kept them in the **** game until they got tired? Their stats would be great!

This here ****es me off.

 

[GonzoCane]

Arguably the worst defense in the program's history. Certainly in the "modern" (post Saban) era. Al &D'No can't leave soon enough.

 

[Dynasty]

Arguably the worst defense in the program's history. Certainly in the "modern" (post Saban) era. Al &D'No can't .eave soon enough.

Amen. They are rock bottom. They destroyed the pride of Miami....Hurricane Defense.

 

[Rellyrell]

Watching our defense is like watching a HS defense.

Anybody with a basic knowledge of defense, can sit in the stands of a HS game, and immediately identify what coverage & front they're in...same **** with our defense.

Our Under looks like an Under.

Our Double Eage looks like a Double Eagle.

Our 3-4 looks like a 3-4.

Ditto with our coverages.

If you watch the NFL, most the time you don't know what front & coverage they're playing, looks like they're throwing $h!t at the wall to see what sticks...but I also believe what they do is sound, even if it doesn't look like it.

It mostly has to do with personnel packages. It's INCREDIBLY easy to know what front we are going to play based on who we send in.

Ding, ding, ding....

Two brilliant post. First, our fronts are easy to decipher...second our schemes are easy to decipher for who we put in. Couple that w/ a lack of push in the back field and you have a defensive scheme that's yielded the most points and yards in a 4.5 yr span than any defense in our history.

Never have our defense and offense looked so vanilla. Fact is, this defense is predicated on another team making mistakes. If they don't, we're in trouble.

 

[BigDikCane]

"We teach our LB's, don't look at the WR until that ball has been thrown! Then you break on the ball!"

What da what? As a LB, when you drop to your zones you are suppose to keep your head on a swivel and find the nearest threat. How are you going to defend the 2 and 3 wr coming across if you dont know where he is at? Cmon i learned that **** in little league.

+1 who teaches their team that issh... Thats why you see other teams slot wr open all the time against us.

 

[FullyERicht]

I cannot believe Hurlie said that, it would be shockingly amateur.

I still don't think we spot drop. Watching it we clearly match patterns we just suck at it and are WOEFULLY slow. I mean this team is so goddam slow on defense it is SCARY.

Many of the plays in the passing game that kill us come on our 3 under 3 deep zone blitz coverage. Part of it is our blitzes never, and i mean NEVER create pressure, let alone sacks. Part II is around the corner.....

 

[Coach Macho]

I cannot believe Hurlie said that, it would be shockingly amateur.

I still don't think we spot drop. Watching it we clearly match patterns we just suck at it and are WOEFULLY slow. I mean this team is so goddam slow on defense it is SCARY.

Many of the plays in the passing game that kill us come on our 3 under 3 deep zone blitz coverage. Part of it is our blitzes never, and i mean NEVER create pressure, let alone sacks. Part II is around the corner.....

Nah bro, we spot drop. Take a look at our Linebacker's heads/eyes during their pass drops. We're looking right at the QB the whole time.

When I asked D'Onofrio if they spot drop or pattern match he paused for a minute and said something like "well, uh, we do both." And when I saw Hurlie at a clinic is just reaffirmed what I already thought.