VTech Perspective after Re-Watch

Shogun

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I was a little surprised to jump on the boards last night and see so much negativity. Obviously it was much closer than we thought it would be, but I thought I was missing something based on the reactions.

I suppose I get it, and I left the game last night thinking, "hmmm, things looked a bit different in that one and I have some new concerns..." but isn't that football? I am not doom and gloom as some others and this didn't "feel like a loss" to me. We knew coming into this game that this team isn't perfect, but it is still **** good.

A few points:

Momentum is a powerful thing, and VT definitely gave us a gift with that fake FG (but Bryant made an amazing play - he doesn't shoot that gap, that's the nail in the coffin). With that said, and regarding momentum, the holding call on Bell, which in my mind was a little weak, took a TD off the board on a play that was another amazing highlight by Cam. That in and of itself didn't cause the shift, the INT on the next play was the culprit there, but that DB made a great play disguising and on that play, he won. He outmaneuvered Cam. It happens.

Styles make fights. VT came out with a great gameplan. Were we outcoached? For sure, but see above. What does that game look like if it is 21-7 and the stadium is going crazy after Cam once again finds George? We don't know, but I suspect it would be another runaway. I also think Vtech is going to end up better than we originally thought and this win will look different. Could be wrong, but that's the sense I get. They're physical and have a lot of heart.

VT Field Goal before the half - they had two 17s on the field - should have been wiped off. Refs...

Jalen Rivers - underrated, though I do think he's starting to get his due, is sorely missed. Bell played pretty well in the USF game, but in my post after leaving that game, I mentioned Cam being special for HOW he looks doing going about his business. He makes it look so easy. ...I will say the inverse with Bell - even in the USF game, and certainly this game, he doesn't look comfortable. I really hope that the light comes on and he's our LT of the future b/c he clearly has exceptional traits, but the way he goes about it just doesn't scream tactician.

OJ Frederique - a play not talked about much is when he sniffed out that screen. My god - he's going to be a player. Also, BS on that PI call - another major momentum shift that would have gotten the defense off the field on another great play made by the true freshman...instead, the POS line judge throws a flag from 35 yards away, on a call that isn't his to make.

Also, I counted and that flag was thrown 5 second after the play...which triggered my Terry Porter PTSD (...who to this day I want brought right here! With a big ribbon on his head! And I want to look him straight in the eye, and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, d1ckless, hopeless, heartless, fat-***, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey **** he is! Hallelujah! Holy ****! Where's the Tylenol? )

Hail Mary - joke that that was called a TD on the field. Same as D1ckless Terry Porter, there is NO WAY he saw possession to make that call. They got it right in the both. It was a loose ball and it was touched by a player who was out of bounds. No catch.

Last point: yes this is football, and sometimes these things happen...but we won. We still won. We played a bad game. We coached a bad game. VTech believed. But the Canes didn't quit. The kept grinding and won. I can't say that for any of our teams the past 18 years.

Okay, for real last point: Ole Miss lost at home. Georgia almost lost two weeks ago. Football is weird. Enjoy the win.
 
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People seriously thought we were going to blow out every team.

You don’t just go from being total àss for 20 years to then suddenly turn into the most dominant team in football.

This is a good yet flawed team. Just win. Don’t care how or by how much as long as we win.
 
I have and continue to be concerned about our run scheme/offense. Not going to go down the rabit hole yet again, but rewatch all of our games, especially in the 1H and the same stuff keeps reappearing. Others aren't worried for a myriad of reasons and some use stat lines to prove points. The same stuff from famu shows up in the VT game. We won, we have cam ward. I'm happy. But I also want a NC
 
I have and continue to be concerned about our run scheme/offense. Not going to go down the rabit hole yet again, but rewatch all of our games, especially in the 1H and the same stuff keeps reappearing. Others aren't worried for a myriad of reasons and some use stat lines to prove points. The same stuff from famu shows up in the VT game. We won, we have cam ward. I'm happy. But I also want a NC

The concerns/criticisms are legit.

But the fact that half the board expected us to blow out every team and win the NC is just delusional.

We are a very good team that has a real shot at the playoffs/ACC, but this isn't the 2001 Canes. And **** even the 2001 team had some close games which this board would have melted down over.
 
I have and continue to be concerned about our run scheme/offense. Not going to go down the rabit hole yet again, but rewatch all of our games, especially in the 1H and the same stuff keeps reappearing. Others aren't worried for a myriad of reasons and some use stat lines to prove points. The same stuff from famu shows up in the VT game. We won, we have cam ward. I'm happy. But I also want a NC
I agree with you on the run game. People look at the final stats and say well the run game is fine but not mentioning all those yards came in the 2nd half of blowout games vs backups of bad teams. I would love a NC but this isn’t a NC team
 
People overlook glaring deficiencies because we won. It never seems to occur to them that it will catch up to them down the road. “Hey, we won”, let’s just ignore what we really sucked at.” A win doesn’t absolve your sins.

What if we don’t get the Hail Mary call and lost? We played the same either way. I bet there would be more tolerance for calling how we played out then. There shouldn’t be any difference. You don’t get extra rainbows and puppies.
 
I agree with you on the run game. People look at the final stats and say well the run game is fine but not mentioning all those yards came in the 2nd half of blowout games vs backups of bad teams. I would love a NC but this isn’t a NC team
This won't be an acc team if some things aren't fixed
 
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Styles make fights. VT came out with a great gameplan. Were we outcoached? For sure, but see above. What does that game look like if it is 21-7 and the stadium is going crazy after Cam once again finds George? We don't know, but I suspect it would be another runaway. I also think Vtech is going to end up better than we originally thought and this win will look different. Could be wrong, but that's the sense I get. They're physical and have a lot of heart.
👆🏼This part right here. For all the complaining and unhappiness, I’m not seeing enough mention of this. If we go up 21-7 at that point, the entire complexion of the game is different.
 
I thought before the season this team would be very similar to the 2022 Tennessee team with Hooker at Qb and I've seen nothing to make me change my mind. Ward is better than Hooker but Tennessee had a better wr core that year than we have now. Not a dominant team but still capable of 10 or 11 wins with a elite offense carrying them and a defense built to play with a lead
 
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The Bell hold/erased TD sequence was huge.

And that was Cam’s third TD…THIRD…in basically one quarter (happened just after 2nd quarter started). Guy was on track to throw 8 or 9 lol.

Mentioned this in another thread, but Cam is confident and we’ve played as a confident team. We were at home with a good crowd. We know what we’re capable of, so did VT. If that play stands, and it should have, then yes it’s 21-7 and everything and everyone in that stadium feels completely different.

Doesn’t excuse the rest of the game, but it’s not nothing.

Never know when a play can swing things.
 
People overlook glaring deficiencies because we won. It never seems to occur to them that it will catch up to them down the road. “Hey, we won”, let’s just ignore what we really sucked at.” A win doesn’t absolve your sins.

What if we don’t get the Hail Mary call and lost? We played the same either way. I bet there would be more tolerance for calling how we played out then. There shouldn’t be any difference. You don’t get extra rainbows and puppies.

Just an FYI, we're not going to fix any deficiencies on the message board.

Oh, and which programs out there are flawless right now?
 
People seriously thought we were going to blow out every team.

You don’t just go from being total àss for 20 years to then suddenly turn into the most dominant team in football.

This is a good yet flawed team. Just win. Don’t care how or by how much as long as we win.
Expectations were skewed by Vegas. That 17 point spread made everyone think this was supposed to be a cake walk. And VT is not that bad.
 
I have and continue to be concerned about our run scheme/offense. Not going to go down the rabit hole yet again, but rewatch all of our games, especially in the 1H and the same stuff keeps reappearing. Others aren't worried for a myriad of reasons and some use stat lines to prove points. The same stuff from famu shows up in the VT game. We won, we have cam ward. I'm happy. But I also want a NC
Were you worried about the run game after the UF game ? Point being we haven't looked the same in the run game because we haven't had our true starting 5 OL.
 
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Were you worried about the run game after the UF game ? Point being we haven't looked the same in the run game because we haven't had our true starting 5 OL.
I was worried about the run game in the middle of the uf game. Appeared in that game too. Even have posts highlighting what saw but said i would wait a few games before giving up all together. Thought maybe florida just had a really good run D with that elephant of a NT. Became ten times more obvious vs a famu or ball state due to the level of talent

I've played alot of football in my life. If we want the best from cam and the best from this team, somethings got to change. Can't just allow teams to rush the passer with no respect. I've had a list of reasons for our issues, the number one issue I've had is the scheme. I am of the opinion alot of the alignment issues are helping us in the pass game (even with shorter distance to qb). With that said, there's several adjustments they can make in run play calling to help alleviate the tight splits. We've done it sparingly. With that said, there's several other things causing issues in the run as well.

Rivers will help, but not much when it comes to the run. He helps the pass blocking tremedously.

If you respond, I probably won't reply. I've posted way too much on this subject and the board always has an excuse. 2nd half stats, ypc (which includes qb scrambles and a couple trick plays, a 91 yrd touchdown in the 4th, etc.), injuries. Etc.
 
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People seriously thought we were going to blow out every team.

You don’t just go from being total àss for 20 years to then suddenly turn into the most dominant team in football.

This is a good yet flawed team. Just win. Don’t care how or by how much as long as we win.
Naw man... most ppl predicted us to win 10 games which mean every win must be a blow out. Yes TEN blow outs.... in COLLEGE FOOTBALL.....
 
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