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Very interesting article on USC. Sounds eerily familiar.

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Dwinstitles said:
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Agreed. Since we will never be able to pay, we need to figure out who to win. We need to hire real coaches and forget the “great recruiter” crap. We missed the god of recruiting yet agian so we need better X and O guys. All the great recruiters today seem to just happen to be at schools that drop the biggest bags. Win like old Canes on the field and the kids will start waving off the bags to be a Cane again.
 
sdaly12 said:
I read that article and that quote and BAM, first thing i thought of was our situation in S.Fla
SC climb back to the top will be tough because you now have AZ. AZ state, Washington, washington St
Oregon, recruiting it hard + any player of talent is being recruited by everyone ......
in the old days SC dominated the I-5 corridor LA - San diego today to many schools not enough talent to go around
which hurts Pac 12 overall....
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Before Pete Carroll all the talent from So Cal went to all of the PAC-10 schools. Carroll made it popular to stay home. Sunshine and a population base of 20 million people equals huge talent pool.
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
Whoever the AD is at USC is terrible. You can’t get a great coach to move to LA?
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Do some of y’all not understand that big city life ain’t for everybody?

L.A. and Miami are 2 of the biggest in the country - traffic, ****** people, noisy, etc.

If you’ve never lived outside of a big city then you really have no idea how peaceful things can be.

Laugh all you want at some of these small town SEC locations - but I’m telling you.. lots of good down to earth people that you wanna work with everyday.

Plus, the schools fball team is the only game in town - that’s really appealing for these guys. (especially big egos)
 
Clay Helton was a disastrous hire. I argued against elevating him on the USC boards. You can't succumb to that interim nonsense just because he's a good guy and the players like him.

The contrast of Helton and Saban in the opener a couple of years ago was laughable. USC was mouthing off beforehand and seemingly had no idea that Alabama would be more physical than anything it was seeing in practice. That indeed was reminiscent of recent Miami. And from that standpoint, the comparisons of Pac 12 to current SEC are legitimate. Pete Carroll had a flashy team but also physical enough to go into Auburn and shut them out when they had Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. USC since Carroll left has had a couple of decent teams but basically has trended softer and softer. They were manhandled at the line of scrimmage in the 2017 season bowl game against Ohio State.

The Pac 12 needs another excellent coach or several to raise the level of the entire conference. Chris Petersen at Washington is not enough. Mike Leach is a cupcake coach so nobody is concerned about him. He can only fare well when the entire conference is down. David Shaw seems bored and doesn't know what offense he wants to run. UCLA gambled on Chip Kelly with early returns negative. Herm Edwards to Arizona State is kind of symbolic of what the Pac 12 is doing right now.

Helton is so desperate he's pulling the Larry Coker act of changing surrounding coaches to appease higher ups. It is destined to fail.

The USC Song Girls supposedly were joining the late season chants during football games to have Helton fired. Once Lynn Swann heard about that, he brainstormed to remove the Song Girls from the baseline at basketball games. I wish I were kidding. There have been numerous related threads on USC boards.

The university president was forced to resign under pressure. Football attendance way down. Baseball is non competitive. Swann is even more unpopular as athletic director than Pat Haden, his predecessor. I didn't think that was possible.

But all of this is so absurd it can't last. It is mostly going on tilt for a brief period. That program has so many natural resources and alumni support you can never overreact in a negative direction. Recruiting has actually been very good until this year.
 
brock said:
Haven’t seen a coach struggle to recruit like this at usc in a long time. No excuse givien all of their advantages. Much harder to recruit at Miami compared to usc
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Especially with UCLA being down and NOT a top 20 program within a thousand miles away.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Clay Helton was a disastrous hire. I argued against elevating him on the USC boards. You can't succumb to that interim nonsense just because he's a good guy and the players like him.

The contrast of Helton and Saban in the opener a couple of years ago was laughable. USC was mouthing off beforehand and seemingly had no idea that Alabama would be more physical than anything it was seeing in practice. That indeed was reminiscent of recent Miami. And from that standpoint, the comparisons of Pac 12 to current SEC are legitimate. Pete Carroll had a flashy team but also physical enough to go into Auburn and shut them out when they had Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. USC since Carroll left has had a couple of decent teams but basically has trended softer and softer. They were manhandled at the line of scrimmage in the 2017 season bowl game against Ohio State.

The Pac 12 needs another excellent coach or several to raise the level of the entire conference. Chris Petersen at Washington is not enough. Mike Leach is a cupcake coach so nobody is concerned about him. He can only fare well when the entire conference is down. David Shaw seems bored and doesn't know what offense he wants to run. UCLA gambled on Chip Kelly with early returns negative. Herm Edwards to Arizona State is kind of symbolic of what the Pac 12 is doing right now.

Helton is so desperate he's pulling the Larry Coker act of changing surrounding coaches to appease higher ups. It is destined to fail.

The USC Song Girls supposedly were joining the late season chants during football games to have Helton fired. Once Lynn Swann heard about that, he brainstormed to remove the Song Girls from the baseline at basketball games. I wish I were kidding. There have been numerous related threads on USC boards.

The university president was forced to resign under pressure. Football attendance way down. Baseball is non competitive. Swann is even more unpopular as athletic director than Pat Haden, his predecessor. I didn't think that was possible.

But all of this is so absurd it can't last. It is mostly going on tilt for a brief period. That program has so many natural resources and alumni support you can never overreact in a negative direction. Recruiting has actually been very good until this year.
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The problem is the PAC-12 as a whole is a soft conference. The only teams that play with any physicality are Stanford and Washington. And both of those teams are suspect at times. Now, the ACC is right behind them along with the Big 12. These conferences are more finesse than physical which is why most schools get their asses handed to them when facing a physically tough team.
 
iLoveTDs said:
Do some of y’all not understand that big city life ain’t for everybody?

L.A. and Miami are 2 of the biggest in the country - traffic, ****** people, noisy, etc.

If you’ve never lived outside of a big city then you really have no idea how peaceful things can be.

Laugh all you want at some of these small town SEC locations - but I’m telling you.. lots of good down to earth people that you wanna work with everyday.

Plus, the schools fball team is the only game in town - that’s really appealing for these guys. (especially big egos)
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This . These dudes want to be worshipped on campus . And these hoes in these college towns will do it . I knocked some sht off at OSU just because they THOUGHT I was on the football team.

Yal know these mfs drama queens, that **** don’t stop when they get to college. They want all the attention
 
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iLoveTDs said:
Do some of y’all not understand that big city life ain’t for everybody?

L.A. and Miami are 2 of the biggest in the country - traffic, ****** people, noisy, etc.

If you’ve never lived outside of a big city then you really have no idea how peaceful things can be.

Laugh all you want at some of these small town SEC locations - but I’m telling you.. lots of good down to earth people that you wanna work with everyday.

Plus, the schools fball team is the only game in town - that’s really appealing for these guys. (especially big egos)
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So no one would rather go to LA above a small college town. Got it
 
CalCane said:
Before Pete Carroll all the talent from So Cal went to all of the PAC-10 schools. Carroll made it popular to stay home. Sunshine and a population base of 20 million people equals huge talent pool.
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Historically, USC has dominated the I-5 corridor going back to John McKay then John Robison
Pete Carrol resurrected SC program same way Saban brought back Bama. Now SC senior Mgmt ( at SC)
looks a like ours whenDonna & paul were sinking the program..... no $$$ awful HC choices +
 
CalCane said:
Before Pete Carroll all the talent from So Cal went to all of the PAC-10 schools. Carroll made it popular to stay home. Sunshine and a population base of 20 million people equals huge talent pool.
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USC had talent throughout the years, they just underachieved miserably under John Robinson(Part II) and Hackett. Carroll was able to get the most out of that talent, and supplement it by winning. Remember, Carson Palmer and the 2002 USC team was mostly Hackett(and Ed Orgeron) recruits. People forget that Carroll inherited some legit players.
 
Clay Helton won't make it to week 6 of the 2019 season. He will be fired after an embarrassing loss on primetime tv. He is on the HOTTEST of hot seats. They may do him the same way they did Lane and not even let him on the team plane coming back.
 
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