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GojiraCane said:
Probation is one thing. Probation ends.

What I would not take is one more championship that is followed by the end of the Miami Hurricanes - for all time - as a program that could theoretically contend for a championship. Not a run of bad seasons that ends in 2030. Or 2040. Or 2070. But forever. That is what the death penalty would render Miami. Imagine going into this season not thinking that you could potentially beat the Florida Gators, but knowing that you would lose by 53 points. And it never, ever changing, no matter what.
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Yea and that “death penalty” is never going to happen again In football. The ncaa basically admitted they’d never do it again right after smu and that’s back when the ncaa had some clout. Did you forget we basically are the ones that neutered them during the Shapiro mess? Death penalty is just something stupid fans throw out on here like the boogy man! Lol it’s dumb and never going to happen. Probation is as bad is it will ever get and I’ll happily take that for number 6. And just a little history lesson, it wasn’t the death penalty that killed the smu program it was the dissolution of the Southwest conference. HAd smu been invited to the big 12 back then they’d still be in a BCS/power five conference then they’d still be competing today. And no matter what the ncaa does to us we’re never leaving or getting kicked out of the acc so what the fu<k does it matter! Give me urban and another ship all day everyday.
 
NicKane said:
Yea and that “death penalty” is never going to happen again In football. The ncaa basically admitted they’d never do it again right after smu and that’s back when the ncaa had some clout. Did you forget we basically are the ones that neutered them during the Shapiro mess? Death penalty is just something stupid fans throw out on here like the boogy man! Lol it’s dumb and never going to happen. Probation is as bad is it will ever get and I’ll happily take that for number 6. And just a little history lesson, it wasn’t the death penalty that killed the smu program it was the dissolution of the Southwest conference. HAd smu been invited to the big 12 back then they’d still be in a BCS/power five conference then they’d still be competing today. And no matter what the ncaa does to us we’re never leaving or getting kicked out of the acc so what the fu<k does it matter! Give me urban and another ship all day everyday.
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If that is the case - if you're right - you've got a case. A seven year probation and window of recovery would probably be justifiable if another championship came from it.
 
GojiraCane said:
If that is the case - if you're right - you've got a case. A seven year probation and window of recovery would probably be justifiable if another championship came from it.
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7 years is an improvement to the 15 years and counting “probation” we’ve already and are still currently on my friend. Lol Give me number 6 at all costs!
 
John77 said:
and we are stuck with this dude who doesn't hire Miami level coaches (Patke, Banda, DL coach, Stubberfield, whoever the **** the RB coach is - all whiffs), can't recruit for ****, and can't win games we should be winning. Was a lazy hire by the admin. Elite coaches don't do all of the above and at this point we need an elite coach to get back to where we want to be.

I remember everybody on here clowning LSU for hiring coach O, well at least that man can recruit and is smart enough to sit back and be a CEO. Diaz has a single positive quality and it's the ability to speak well which is not particularly important if you can't do any of the other stuff.
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USC made a big mistake with not retaining his services.
 
GojiraCane said:
If that is the case - if you're right - you've got a case. A seven year probation and window of recovery would probably be justifiable if another championship came from it.
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People would just start *****ing again

"We won a NC last year, how do lose a 5OT game to Bama and finish 13-1!!!! We suck, destroy the program!!!!!!!"
 
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Jedi Master Cane said:
The one problem I see is that Urban likes to coach at schools which actually give a ***** about their football program
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You're not wrong. If you're UM, the time to go after Meyer was when he was at BGSU, or maybe Utah, and was looking for a bigger stage. Now that he's a premier coach, there's about 5 programs and 2 or 3 conferences he'll set foot in, ND aside, and it's not UM or the ACC.
 
simplycanes said:
You're not wrong. If you're UM, the time to go after Meyer was when he was at BGSU, or maybe Utah, and was looking for a bigger stage. Now that he's a premier coach, there's about 5 programs and 2 or 3 conferences he'll set foot in, ND aside, and it's not UM or the ACC.
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Why not the ACC?

Just has to beat Clemson
 
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NicKane said:
Dude seriously what does it matter now? We basically are already SMU we just lucked into staying in a power five conference when we were on top of the world. Had realignment happened now 15 years later you think anyone wants the product that we’ve put on the field with this program. Urban would never even entertain coming here but if he did if your a true Miami football fan then you take him and win number 6 and cherish that baby regardless if it’s followed by probation! **** we’ve been basically on probation for 15 years anyways so yes I would happily trade another championship for it versus 7-6/8-5 purgatory that we’re in now.
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Ever wonder why opposing fanbases make fun of Miami fans? Ever wonder why people think the typical Miami fan is an entitled, spoiled child? Comments like the one above sum it up perfectly. Let's walk through your irrational line of thought and point out where it goes wrong(And it is plenty wrong)

1) Miami, even with mediocre football would have been a hot property during realignment. Why? Because relalignment was about adding markets. If it was truly about adding merely great football programs, then Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland and many others wouldn't have been selected for anything. Especially Rutgers. They bring nothing to the table, no history of success, no revenue sports that are any good whatsoever.

I know you are going to come back with "SMU is in a major market and is still stuck on the outside looking in", so let me educate you on WHY SMU is and most likely will always be stuck in limbo. Due to them getting the Death Penalty in the first place, the old SWC started to fall apart, especially with Arkansas breaking away and joining the SEC. Schools like Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech were looking for a way out of a dying conference, and when the Big 8 came calling, they bailed. In fact, the only reason Baylor got to come along was because of political pressure from the Governor's office(Ann Richards was the governor at the time of the negotiations, and made it clear that no one was leaving unless her alma mater came along). Following the SWC disbanding, schools like Rice and others were screwed, due to size and financial commitment to athletics, and SMU can't get back in, due to animosity from Texas(Who always held SMU in contempt for daring to call out Texas for doing a lot of the same things SMU had done). TCU was able to climb back in, mostly because 1) They lucked out on some hires and started winning and 2)The Big XII needed to add teams or the conference was going to fall apart. TCU was the best possible option, even Houston wasn't allowed to come back in, for a lot of the same reasons SMU was left behind again. SMU and Houston have shown an ability to get under Texas' skin when they are good, and adding them into a major conference would give them a boost.

2)The idea that a 15 year dry spell is unacceptable would get you laughed at in most places outside of blue bloods like OU and Alabama. Most schools have in recent memory gone through dry spells like this. Look at schools like Tennessee. They have one national title since the end of the Eisenhower administration. All those resources, all the stuff they have going for them, they can't do anything. You think going 7-5 for **** near 15 years is frustrating? Try having 7 losing seasons since 2005. USC went 20+ years between titles, with a couple of so so Rose Bowl appearances thrown in. That's with USC money, tradition and local talent. Auburn hadn't won a title in over 50 years until they bought a generational talent. Miami fans are spoiled because most of us don't remember what it was like before 1983. Most of us have always lived in a world in which Miami was at least somewhat relevant nationally(Last 15 years notwithstanding). Even in this frustrating stretch, Miami has had brief, fleeting moments of glory. Whether it was the 2017 season, or the 2013 year in which Miami raced out to a 7-0 start. Now, that momentum wasn't held, and Miami collapsed, but that happens.

That isn't an excuse to torch the program in desperation. That's what hiring Urban Meyer is. It's torching the program in the hope that the flame is pretty to look at. It would doom the athletic department, it would doom the football program, and it isn't needed. Miami can and should be able to win at a high level, even with the significant obstacles we know exist. Make quality, inspired hires, and utilize the resources available in the best possible way. Hiring Manny Diaz wasn't inspired, and it sure as **** wasn't a good use of resources. There are plenty of young, talented coaches that would be able to win at Miami. HIRE ONE OF THEM.
 
HurricaneHauk said:
Why not the ACC?

Just has to beat Clemson
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Meyer would have NEVER wanted the Miami job. He was holding out for the largest state school power job he could get. Meyer knows that college football is basically "Richest Team Wins" at this point, and it is stupid to commit to a school that can't give you every possible advantage. That's why he'll likely NEVER coach at Notre Dame. That job is extremely similar to Miami, in that you will have some obstacles in the way. Notre Dame doesn't have local talent worth a ****, significant academic standards, and an administration that will spend money, but won't mortgage their future on the program.

SC on the other hand, you have money, local talent and an administration that bends over backwards for the football program. Never mind the fact that the Pac-12 is set up to allow USC to run roughshod over it.
 
Canedude08 said:
Meyer would have NEVER wanted the Miami job. He was holding out for the largest state school power job he could get. Meyer knows that college football is basically "Richest Team Wins" at this point, and it is stupid to commit to a school that can't give you every possible advantage. That's why he'll likely NEVER coach at Notre Dame. That job is extremely similar to Miami, in that you will have some obstacles in the way. Notre Dame doesn't have local talent worth a ****, significant academic standards, and an administration that will spend money, but won't mortgage their future on the program.

SC on the other hand, you have money, local talent and an administration that bends over backwards for the football program. Never mind the fact that the Pac-12 is set up to allow USC to run roughshod over it.
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Where did I mention Miami
 
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