Upon Further Review: Miami vs. SMU

[Gocanes1990]

the person who told u this also believes int he tooth fairy.

we literally watched it happen and can read lips...and if u beliee buddy called a reverse your saint is worse than i though

I can lip read too. That’s why I thought it was surprising. And I know he missed the hole…. Pausr

 

[flips]

Listening to Dawson’s conference yesterday… it’s clear that he is a very rational coach with a clear understanding of football. The problem is that when all your plays are based on rational decisions, the defense will always know your response to their coverage. This allows the defense to dictate your play. He needs to be just slightly more irrational at times.

Great point. He's always been that way in the pressers, "if the defense shows this, then I will do that, because numbers." He's also been obsessed with mentioning how his offense can play "complimentary football" with the defense this year, while Hetherman rarely appears to be aware that we even play offense. Dunno if he thinks these pressers are an audition to become a HC or not, but the most complimentary football towards the defense he could coordinate would be to score more TDs.

 

[scrantoncane]

Here’s what I thought about it. Not the same exact situation, because Wake was down, so they had no choice, but literally LAST WEEK, Wake got the ball against SMU, down by 2, with 12 seconds, on their own 42, needing a FG to win. With NO timeouts.

They completed a 25 yard pass, spiked the ball, and kicked a game winning FG.

This wasn't 6 years ago. It was last ******* week. And our staff, with 1 timeout, 25 seconds, needing, what? 35 yards to give our kicker a reasonable shot? And we take a knee.

Absurd ***** ****. You literally just watched a team ONE WEEK AGO, that's not nearly as talented as you are, get 25 yards on one play. You probably have 4 plays? And you can run anything, since you have a TO. There's zero chance you're going to ever get to a situation where you have to punt. So the literal only thing you're scared about is throwing a pick. Nobody gets near your QB in terms of a pass rush. You're not going to give up a sack/fumble. But you're so scared of letting your QB cook with 25 seconds and timeout, that you just turtle up and play for OT. Embarrassing.

I was in favor of it two years ago against Clemson when we had Emory making his first start. But now you're paying your QB millions, plural. Go try to win the ******* game. Absolute ***** ****.

In the post game presser, Mario said their charts said to run plays if the kick return went to the 35 or better. Otherwise, go to OT.

This is such chicken**** behavior. Every other team goes out of their way to not leave time on the clock, because it’s CFB and people go right down the field regularly. GT after Mario didn’t kneel comes to mind.

Did it going into the half vs Florida too. I think we had 50 seconds and he ran it out and went to half. That’s just who he is.

 

[hoops156]

Great job Lance. Our run game is dog ****. But our red zone offense is dinosaur ****. Maybe the worst I’ve ever seen. Once we get inside the 25 it’s so bad. We win this game if we score TDs on our red zone trips. I’d rather see the T formation again then some of this ****

our red zone offense is run run throw incomplete. if we arent inside the 3, were ****ed

 

[hoops156]

In the post game presser, Mario said their charts said to run plays if the kick return went to the 35 or better. Otherwise, go to OT.

This is such chicken**** behavior. Every other team goes out of their way to not leave time on the clock, because it’s CFB and people go right down the field regularly. GT after Mario didn’t kneel comes to mind.

Did it going into the half vs Florida too. I think we had 50 seconds and he ran it out and went to half. That’s just who he is.

would be nice if we you know tried a return. didnt Mario say that he didnt want to risk the return

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

In the post game presser, Mario said their charts said to run plays if the kick return went to the 35 or better. Otherwise, go to OT.

This is such chicken**** behavior. Every other team goes out of their way to not leave time on the clock, because it’s CFB and people go right down the field regularly. GT after Mario didn’t kneel comes to mind.

Did it going into the half vs Florida too. I think we had 50 seconds and he ran it out and went to half. That’s just who he is.

We talked a lot about the Florida one, I have no issue at all with that because we were getting the ball out of halftime, and we were up 13-0 on a wet field in the rain. We were in total control of the game, and were getting the ball after halftime. IIRC, we were pretty backed up, too. I want my coaches to be aggressive by nature, but just my $0.02, I thought it was 100% the correct way to play that particular situation. I think UiF had under 50 yards of offense, there's no reason to give them the slightest chance of having a short field when you're going to get the ball out of the half.

The end of the SMU game was a completely different scenario. Ever hear the adage, you go for the tie at home and the win on the road? Your kicker has a rocket ship for a leg. I legit would throw him out there from 60, honestly. Maybe he doesn't make it, but he's got a shot to. Let's just say you need to get to the 40 for a 57 yarder. That's 35 yards. You have AT LEAST 3 plays, probably 4. And a timeout. Throw the **** ball and try to win the football game. You just scouted this team all week, one **** week ago they gave up a 25 yard completion on the first play in a similar situation. Throw a 17 yard dig and call timeout. There is no **** reason to play for OT there with a 6th year senior QB.

 

[flips]

We talked a lot about the Florida one, I have no issue at all with that because we were getting the ball out of halftime, and we were up 13-0 on a wet field in the rain. We were in total control of the game, and were getting the ball after halftime. IIRC, we were pretty backed up, too. I want my coaches to be aggressive by nature, but just my $0.02, I thought it was 100% the correct way to play that particular situation. I think UiF had under 50 yards of offense, there's no reason to give them the slightest chance of having a short field when you're going to get the ball out of the half.

The of the SMU game was a completely different scenario. Ever hear the adage, you go for the tie at home and the win on the road? Your kicker has a rocket ship for a leg. I legit would throw him out there from 60, honestly. Maybe he doesn't make it, but he's got a shot to. Let's just say you need to get to the 40 for a 57 yarder. That's 35 yards. You have AT LEAST 3 plays, probably 4. And a timeout. Throw the **** ball and try to win the football game. You just scouted this team all week, one **** week ago they gave up a 25 yard completion on the first play in a similar situation. Throw a 17 yard dig and call timeout. There is no **** reason to play for OT there with a 6th year senior QB.

I think it's because they don't trust Beck. We were pretty aggressive before the half last year with Cam. We haven't been since Beck threw the INT against USF with 1:16 left. Would be interesting to check from Mario's days at Oregon to now whether this year is a anomaly (or last year was) and/or whether he's gotten more conservative before the half as time has gone on?

 

[TriStarCane]

our red zone offense is run run throw incomplete. if we arent inside the 3, were ****ed

And our throwing concepts suck. We are really missing our TE down there. Funny the TD went to a TE and then “best player on the team TE” dropped his.

 

[clg003]

“Mario has proven he will shell up and retreat to conservatism as soon as things get close. There will not be creativity in these situations, which invites real variance into the games. This was a game Miami wins 90 or 95 times out of a 100 based on the simple talent differential and successful plays in this game. They lost because Mario’s conservatism and consistent tendencies in big moments allowed SMU to overcome all of their talent deficiencies with simply better coaching.”

This is Miami’s identity.

Pounds fist, yells State Champs.

Do you think different play calling will stop the penalties? More plays less penalties? Longer sustained drives but less penalties? More throws less interceptions? We've lost our two games because of those. No matter what plays the coaches send out they're not making the correct read, not executing the route correctly, throwing bad passes and dumb penalties is how you lose to teams you shouldn't. It's the only reason either of those teams were able to stay on the field with us.

A better O is required to win the ship... and I'm not a Dawson fan without Cam. But Miami has been plagued with a stupid play for a long time. This team is equally talented to every team Miami has had over the last 15 years when it comes to FN up.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I think it's because they don't trust Beck. We were pretty aggressive before the half last year with Cam. We haven't been since Beck threw the INT against USF with 1:16 left. Would be interesting to check from Mario's days at Oregon to now whether this year is a anomaly (or last year was) and/or whether he's gotten more conservative before the half as time has gone on?

I just think they've completely flipped the mindset 180 degrees from last year to this year. We are begging to play defense now. It's bizarre. Maybe it's trust in Beck, or lack thereof. I'm sure that's part of it. But every single thing this team does screams we want our defense to win games. From the mindset, to the play-calling, to the pace, everything. He's fine going to OT because he thinks his defense in overtime gives him a better chance to win than his QB from his own 25 with 25 seconds to go and a timeout. Which is insane.

Nobody gets near your QB when you throw the ball, and you know they're going to drop and play coverage, too. See if you can get someone open in the middle of the field on a long-developing play. You have a timeout, bro. He really said he'd have gone for it if it was at the 35? What book is that? 10 yards dictates that much? Does that book account for your kicker having a leg to get the ball to the crossbar from 60?

 

[rascon]

I think the Trader drop was the biggest play of the game not only because it completely swung momentum when we were about to go up 14-0, but it seemed to scare the coaches (and Beck?) away from the deeper throws that were working.

Rich isn’t? We shy away from deep passes because one play didn’t go our way, when it was working.

But when it comes to our run game, we stick with it even when we don’t succeed in getting over 3 yards over 50 percent of the time.

 

[Gru]

How I dream for a 3rd and 1 or 4th and one where we don't line up and goal line and run it up the gut....it's like it's a contractual obligation to become as predictable as possible in that down and distance.

 

[rascon]

Can't or won't? Either way, it's unacceptable, I agree. But I'd love to know what he's given the autonomy to do. From his quote, I'm with you, it sounds like "absolutely nothing". Go be a robot and run this play, even if the entire world knows it's not going to work.

Maybe it’s me, but when I watch the games on tv and the cameras pan to Beck presnap, sometimes he looks like he already knows the defense is clued in. And you certainly don’t see him being vocal about calling audibles mid game. I’m not sure I have ever seen him do it here.

 

[mosthated305]

We get bogged down into the details here but the main point is that when we are consistently pointing to a flag thrown, or a dropped pass then the games are just being forcibly played too closely

I get it happens from time to time but when your approach forces a game to flip on one bad play or penalty then you need a better plan

Great offenses ***** up all the time only difference is they put so much pressure on the defense that it will win out eventually

We were penalized a lot last year as well. Cam had some critical turnovers but we just never stopped firing bullets. Sure someone can say it’s because we had to because of our defense…but ultimately so what?

Its almost like Mario blames the success of the offense last year on some of the defensive failures. The constant talk of "complimentary football" screams play conservative ball control so the defense isnt on the field as much. Someone needs to tell them that you still have to score points. Scoring in the 20s ain't gonna cut it every week.

 

[Dark Cane]

Great breakdown… I agree the reason Miami was in OT, in that position in the first place is on Mario. But that last interception its 3rd and 6 in OT we have a 6 yr QB it’s on him to not throw an interception. Throw out of the end zone to kick a FG worst case scenario??

Also If he would have waited a second longer to throw it over the top Toney would’ve been wide open towards the middle of the endzone. Terrible decision making when the money is on the line is a bad sign for a QB.

 

[skyman]

 

[skyman]

Its almost like Mario blames the success of the offense last year on some of the defensive failures. The constant talk of "complimentary football" screams play conservative ball control so the defense isnt on the field as much. Someone needs to tell them that you still have to score points. Scoring in the 20s ain't gonna cut it every week.

I have heard on tv broadcast that Dawson says he just has to score 28 points (which we havent in our two losses) but avg 28 points is a 70th rank offense last couple of years and gets you fired as OC/HC.. There is no way this is Dawson philosophy, no air raid OC is trying for 70th ranked scoring O and putting job on line.. This makes absolutely no sense..

 

[Lance Roffers]

I will say this though....we have run the ball on 23 of the last 23 3rd and 4th and 1 or 2 over the last 4 weeks. And none of them were as creative as an end around. I find it really hard to believe that's totally Dawson's direction. That has to be some group collaboration. This dude didn't get the job he has by being that ridiculously deliberate. 23 in a row of anything is almost statistically impossible if you've got half a creative brain cell in your head.

If this is true- and I honestly believe it is- it's exactly why you see 11 defenders at the LOS and pushed inside on some of these plays. The LB's are one yard forward from typical depth and are almost never being punished for it.

The offensive system is probably fine. It's the inability to break tendencies that really explain why we fall apart down the stretch of seasons in my opinion.

Analysts are getting paid six figure salaries to watch your film and log and category every single play call in each situation and identify your tendencies. I see it every week that I do these and write most weeks "this is the worst performance of the season thus far" each week you add a week.

 

[skyman]

Maybe it’s me, but when I watch the games on tv and the cameras pan to Beck presnap, sometimes he looks like he already knows the defense is clued in. And you certainly don’t see him being vocal about calling audibles mid game. I’m not sure I have ever seen him do it here.

Wish someone would do cutups of Cam presnap last year and show this year then ask Dawson what is going on instead of why he was being a big meanie on sideline.. Ward would get to line call a dummy hike so Defense could show their hands, check to another play, call another dumy hike, to make sure they were good and then run the play..

Now we have our center simulating snaps, #63 false starting, #70 False starting and us running into 10 man bear fronts while the center gets pushed into fullback position he is soo far back in backfield.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

If this is true- and I honestly believe it is- it's exactly why you see 11 defenders at the LOS and pushed inside on some of these plays. The LB's are one yard forward from typical depth and are almost never being punished for it.

The offensive system is probably fine. It's the inability to break tendencies that really explain why we fall apart down the stretch of seasons in my opinion.

Analysts are getting paid six figure salaries to watch your film and log and category every single play call in each situation and identify your tendencies. I see it every week that I do these and write most weeks "this is the worst performance of the season thus far" each week you add a week.

It’s true. I saw it over the weekend and researched it myself.

In the FSU game, we had a 3rd and 2 that we converted on a throw to Bowman. And we had a 4th and 2 that we converted with a TD to Toney.

Since then, so the rest of the FSU game, all of the Louisville game, all of the Stanford game, and all of the SMU game, on every single 3rd and 2 or less and 4th and 2 or less, we have run the football with a running back.

Twenty-three consecutive such situations have been answered with twenty-three consecutive runs. Most of them converted, of course. But several that were not. I’ll put the percentages together later, but we have been stopped on several of these whereas I think we were stopped on maybe 1-2 all of last season.

The staff refuses to understand they don’t have last years OL in terms of run push, AND, at least last year maybe we’d have thrown it. Who’s to say? So defenses had to at least have that thought. This year, ****, you’ve done the same thing 23 straight times, you can bet your *** I’m putting 10 in the box and pinching everyone into the A-gaps. And yet, we continue to do it over and over again.