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Upon Further Review: Miami vs. Florida State

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TomAce said:
Dawson had a nice wrinkle play on the second or third play of the game...11 personal with trips to the right side. Beck in shotgun, Flecther motioned out to the field. Last few games this was a raise up and throw to the RB with the WRs blocking. This time the WRs blocked but Toney came back towards the ball on a middle screen type route. Completed for a few yards, Francis was probably half step slow getting out in front for it to break big. I thought it was pretty creative based on the previous couple games of plays
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I also liked and highlighted when they attached Toney as a sniffer H and used the switch release to get him space. He scored a TD on the play, but it was a 4th down and a had to have and they saved it for that time. I knew I was forgetting to talk about a play when I was on the pod this morning and the play using Toney as a sniffer in a big spot is exactly what coaches should do as far as "saving stuff" goes.
 
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TomAce said:
Dawson had a nice wrinkle play on the second or third play of the game...11 personal with trips to the right side. Beck in shotgun, Flecther motioned out to the field. Last few games this was a raise up and throw to the RB with the WRs blocking. This time the WRs blocked but Toney came back towards the ball on a middle screen type route. Completed for a few yards, Francis was probably half step slow getting out in front for it to break big. I thought it was pretty creative based on the previous couple games of plays
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Starts at play

 
I know the execution was goofy and ultimately it sucked

But the 4th down play to Toney that would have iced the game (though it was iced anyway) was slick. If Toney doesn’t get knocked off his route and Beck hits him and it goes for a TD people are praising Mario for his aggressiveness and creative playcalling

It was an easy first down anyway
 
Lance Roffers said:
I also liked and highlighted when they attached Toney as a sniffer H and used the switch release to get him space. He scored a TD on the play, but it was a 4th down and a had to have and they saved it for that time. I knew I was forgetting to talk about a play when I was on the pod this morning and the play using Toney as a sniffer in a big spot is exactly what coaches should do as far as "saving stuff" goes.
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JHallCanes said:
I know the execution was goofy and ultimately it sucked

But the 4th down play to Toney that would have iced the game (though it was iced anyway) was slick. If Toney doesn’t get knocked off his route and Beck hits him and it goes for a TD people are praising Mario for his aggressiveness and creative playcalling

It was an easy first down anyway
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Just realized it was Bell on the right side of an unbalanced line, trying to draw in the defense.
 
88 said:
Just realized it was Bell on the right side of an unbalanced line, trying to draw in the defense.
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I think the backlash from it was more from an accumulation of what was happening. We were just sloppy and that one ended up looking completely incompetent

But it came close to being an absolute pantsing of Norvell and I think that’s what Mario trying to do, but that’s just a guess. The sideline acting dysfunctional was almost too choreographed to me
 
LuCane said:
The "run game against better teams" topic is an entire thread onto itself.

We're not going to effectively "grind it out" (our coaches' words) for the remainder of the season. Yes, it worked against some solid teams early this season. No, it's not sustainable as a framework.

It's time for Dawson and Beck to tear off the next layer of our offense.
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This right here. You watch our offense from last year and the passing game was so much more dynamic, I hope we'll see more of this as the year goes on.
 
Thanks Lance.

What did you make of Cooper at LG for a couple of snaps when we were in 21? We pulled both him and Bell both times. First time worked great on the first scoring drive. Fletcher got a nice run. Looked like we ran the same play out of the same set in the 4th to Lyle but FSU was ready for it.

Also to your point on SJ at FB, compare what SJ did in this game to how Fletcher/Brown blocked for the other guy when we were in 21. They attack, find a hat, and hit him
 
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Lance Roffers said:
I also liked and highlighted when they attached Toney as a sniffer H and used the switch release to get him space. He scored a TD on the play, but it was a 4th down and a had to have and they saved it for that time. I knew I was forgetting to talk about a play when I was on the pod this morning and the play using Toney as a sniffer in a big spot is exactly what coaches should do as far as "saving stuff" goes.
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We ran something similar last year on a 4th down to X, cant remember the game but maybe one of the comebacks.
 
Lance Roffers said:
It was targeting. I saw it live and thought that will get called. We don't like the rule, we don't like the way it's called, but with the way the rule is written it was targeting.

For holding, you can "ride" a player when they swim, chop, etc. and Bain shot a gap and got a bit high with his arms. I think that gave the officials pause to call it, but it was a hold. Once the defender is past the mid-line you can't grab or impede from the side or back unless continuously engaged. Officials do not like calling holding in the end zone because it directly gives points on a judgment call of theirs but it should have been called.

This game was well officiated and I didn't have too much that I thought was egregious (this is just my eyes, my perspective, my opinion so anyone is free to disagree, of course).
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thank you for the clarifications. It's hard to understand, with the great d line we have, and the amounts of pressures we generate, that we go games without a holding call. Yet, our great o line, draws more holding calls, then the other teams o lines.
 
Lance Roffers said:
Good question and please realize every team has areas to see improvement.

Obvious answer is in regards to penalties. Against the good teams, Miami is averaging 9.3 penalties per game for 75 yards. Too many of these are mental mistakes rather than aggressive mistakes.

4Q close outs. On offense Miami has really struggled with third downs in the 4Q when teams know they are looking to close out a game. Miami was brutal against FSU in the 4Q going 0-4 on third downs while allowing FSU to consistently convert 3rd/4th downs by losing discipline in their rush lanes on the edge.

Miami's run game against the better defenses hasn't been good. The passing game has carried the day against the better team while hunting for explosives. Against odd/mint/quarters structures, lean more on duo/counter + orbit/jet to widen the apex and keep Beck in RPO answers (glance/bubble) rather than banging into numbers. Teams are stacking the box and it's inside-zone till we die.

Offense sits 36th in Points/Drive (OPD) and 50th in Drive Success Rate, with Offensive Available Yards ranking 55th. This team has not been the dominant force on offense that last year's was and relies a bit too much on explosives. Teams scoring TD's outside of the red zone is volatile and Miami ranked near the top of those numbers.

TD% in the red zone is good, not great. Miami needs to score more TD's.

Snapping has been marginal on special teams. Many of the snaps have been off-target and that can swing a close game.

Punting net average is a negative with our opponents, meaning we are losing yards on any punt exchanges.

The overall profile of Miami is a title contender, but there are gains on the margins that can make them a true data monster.
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I’ve been saying since game 1 our punt and fg operation is really sloppy.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Try harder. It is a legit question mark that numerous posters have brought up while watching, rewatching and reviewing the game. Throughout this thread, including from the OP, trying to grind it out against better defenses may not be sustainable.

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I share your concerns about the team losing its purpose when it gets ahead in scores. But that's more a correctable coaching failure than player performance. On offense we go full turtle to burn up clock, and on defense we play off to avoid chunk plays. On both sides of the ball, we become too predictable. That's different from playing down to the competition.
 
grover said:
I share your concerns about the team losing its purpose when it gets ahead in scores. But that's more a correctable coaching failure than player performance. On offense we go full turtle to burn up clock, and on defense we play off to avoid chunk plays. On both sides of the ball, we become too predictable. That's different from playing down to the competition.
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Exactly, both sides of ball shutdown operations wayyyyyy too early.. Its called 4 MINUTE offense, not entire 4th qtr. Prevent defense on the other side for entire 4th qtr. Its madness. VERY bad from top down to shut things down, some tried to brush it off for ND game but its a trend now. We cant play scared. ******* hate that when we are dominating.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
there's a thread on this topic.

i agree

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X's and O's Post in thread 'Extra Point Operation'

so we had two MORE fumbled snaps on two extra points versus FSU. @JHallCanes is this a trend? what the f@ck is going on. this will cost us a game down the road. WHY IS NO ONE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS? I WANT TO HIRE THE LSU REPORTERS.

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Mind you supposed to be the “most efficient” long snapper in the portal from Charlotte.

Also either commit to a rugby punt formation or not. Dylan Joyce for three years has been atrocious when two step punting. Which is going to hurt us if we play the field position game in close ones.
 
GirthQuake said:
Mind you supposed to be the “most efficient” long snapper in the portal from Charlotte.

Also either commit to a rugby punt formation or not. Dylan Joyce for three years has been atrocious when two step punting. Which is going to hurt us if we play the field position game in close ones.
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Joyce hasnt progressed one bit since his freshman season. Not a disaster but avg at best.
 
skyman said:
Joyce hasnt progressed one bit since his freshman season. Not a disaster but avg at best.
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It averages out statistically but I would have to deep dive his rugby kicks which boost his avg compared to his traditional punting which is below subpar in yardage and hang time.
 
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