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Updated Roster Composition - 2019.10.23

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With Hightower departing we are now down to 76 players, including the four walkons that were given scholarships.

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And with his departure, that makes 33 players who graduated or otherwise departed from Miami since last season.

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Shows you how vastly we're under performing right now.

The top of the line talent on this roster should be able to show up and get wins against UNC, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech 10 out of 10 times. So absolutely clear that it's the coaching that's the problem.
 
Katzenboyer said:
Shows you how vastly we're under performing right now.

The top of the line talent on this roster should be able to show up and get wins against UNC, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech 10 out of 10 times. So absolutely clear that it's the coaching that's the problem.
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What if the top of the line talent isn't top of the line talent? ****, UNC qb would be the best player on our team as would their DT #55 (canes recruited both)
There literally might be only one 1st rounder on the roster.
Last years top player Willis can't make NFL roster
 
Maddog71 said:
The fallacy is thinking that we have superior talent because we recruit the 305. If we were getting the best from the area the argument would be valid.
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We have superior talent to Virginia Tech and UNC because we produce NFL players at a Top 3 rate and their players go pro at something other than football.
 
We have to get to the 85 scholarship level. With being an expensive small private school, our walk-on pool is even smaller than most
 
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Rarely does any team have 85 players on ships. Do not ever remember the Canes having over about 82. 77 is more than enough to have a **** good team with good recruiting. Problem is crappy recruiting and not numbers. Even with 77 you have a dozen or so that will never see the field in a game
 
swampcougar1 said:
Rarely does any team have 85 players on ships. Do not ever remember the Canes having over about 82. 77 is more than enough to have a **** good team with good recruiting. Problem is crappy recruiting and not numbers. Even with 77 you have a dozen or so that will never see the field in a game
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The portal now also makes it even harder to get to that 85 limit. Not only do you have more attrition but the transfers count against the initial counter yet might only have 1,2 or 3 years to play. With that said, we do need better depth and need to do a better job at roster management and try to be as close to the 85 limit as we can, with players that can contribute. Losing 32 players in a single year is never good.
 
DMoney said:
We have superior talent to Virginia Tech and UNC because we produce NFL players at a Top 3 rate and their players go pro at something other than football.
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I've been thinking about this, because it's never made sense to me. Every year I'm always like "but we're so much more talented on paper".

Here's 2 things that to me make a little sense as to why the talent gap between Miami & UNC/VT might not be near as much as we think it is.

1) Average Recruiting Class Ranking 2014 - 2019

Miami - 18
UNC - 28
VT - 29

Now look at the current CFB rankings

#6-10 = Penn St,, Notre Dame, Florida, Auburn, Georgia
#16-20 = SMU, Minnesota, Cincinnati, Michigan, Iowa
#26-30 = Memphis, UVA, San Diego St, Pitt, Washington (The top 5 in other receiving votes)

The gap between the 6-10 and 16-20 teams is much wider than the 16-20 and 26-30 teams. For teams in the 16-30 range, and probably up to 35-40 - there's not that much difference at all. So maybe the talent gap between our #18 recruiting class and UNC/VT's #28/29 might not actually be that big either.


2) Draft picks from 2017 - 2019 (Players from the 2014 - 2016 recruiting classes would be drafted here)

Miami - 20 players drafted. 2 in the first 3 rounds.
UNC - 10 players drafted. 3 in the first 3 rounds.
VT - 8 players drafted. 2 in the first 3 round.

Our "top" talent isn't really much different, even though we crush them in overall players drafted. The talent gap between 1st-3rd Rounds picks and 5th-7th round picks is probably much wider then between 5th-7th rounders and UDFA's. So we might be giving too much weight to Miami's numerous late rounds picks.

I'M NOT AT ALL SAYING EITHER OF THESE ARE CORRECT. But Miami fans, including me, have been thinking "we're so much more talented" for 15 years and results haven't changed much - so I'm just trying to look at the situation from a different angles to try and make sense of it.
 
skeeter said:
Is it still 77? I thought was down to 76 with Cleveland Reed?
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You're right. Forgot about Reed. I've updated the numbers at the start of the thread.

That means we've also lost 33 players since the end of last season.
 
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You need to carry 85, this isn't Nebraska where they get 150 walk on : what I don't get is when there was a 10 game schedule and a bowl game : you could carry up to 95- : now that you could actually played up to 14 games if you get to the ship : you only carry 85: this means you have to throw freshmen in before their ready, players having to play with injuries, and then we say we care about player safety ( calling targeting i guess says we care). Let's see what our top talent has done, missed FG an XP, QB's and others that commit 5 T/O in less then 2 quarters, dropped punts, passes, missed tackles busted coverage.
 
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