Updated Blue Chip Ratio – Star Truthers Beware

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I believe in the Blue Chip Ratio theory, mostly because it’s been proven as a strong indicator of rosters capable of winning a national title based on roster make up. Okay, so good news and bad news. The bad news is based on our current roster, we are not going to win a national championship in 2019 (shocker). Good news is that we increased our overall ratio year over year, increased the blue chip ratio for all but two of our position groups and increased the average star rating of all positions but two this cycle.

** Everything below is based on the 247 Composite rating and uses their actual ranking (e.g. I didn’t put Brevin as a 5* even though we all know he’s a 5*). I also used the position they are coming to play (Joyner is playing LB here even though he’s listed as a DE on 247).

- We aren’t winning a national title unless we have a Heisman caliber season from someone. Our overall Blue Chip Ratio is 46%; I don’t know if Pastor Richt uses this ratio (doubtful), but he wasn’t wrong when he said we needed one more class to compete for a title. We are a similar ratio to Oklahoma from last year (I think they were around 48%), but they had Baker Mayfield and we do not.
- Offensively, we have a championship level roster. We are at 51% blue chip ratio and we average 3.56 stars per position. To no one’s surprise, our running back room and wide receiver rooms are sick (57%, 3.71 star average and 64%, 3.63 star average respectively). Pretty pretty good.
- Our worst offensive position group is our OL, but it’s being dragged down by the left over Golden Gang and our transfers– our overall average star rating is 3.4 with a 40% ratio, but our last two classes have a 50% ratio and 3.50 average.
- Defensively… it’s not good, boss. Our Blue Chip ratio is 40% with an average star ranking of 3.4. and our best position group on paper is our, believe it or not, corner back room that averages 3.66 stars per player and has a 67% ratio. On average, it’s actually a better room than our WR room… but that doesn’t excuse missing who we missed on.
- **** gets dicey in the front seven: DE ratio is nice at 60% and an average of 3.6, but consider that last year we were 7 deep and this year we are at 5 deep, including a converted-unconverted-converted tight end in Scott Patchan and a true freshman.
- Defensive Tackle is at 33% and 3.33 star average, which is just not good enough to win big. Sorry.
- The worst position group on the team is the linebacker position and it’s not close. We have a paltry ratio of 20% and the only two 4 star prospects at the position are juniors this year. We average 3.2 stars per player (the second lowest on the team is DT at 3.33… see where I’m going with this?). If you’re not strong up the middle, you’re not strong.
- Our safety group is only at 38% and has a few converted tweeners back there for an average rating of 3.38. After Jaquan, we are probably looking at playing the freshman ASAP.

Basically, we better hope we score a **** ton of points. It is going to be worse next year, too. We lose 20% of our 4 star players on defense next year, so Manny and Co are REALLY banking on our 3 linebackers to play their senior years. Given the bull**** we go through with early entrants, that seems rather foolish.

Based only on the numbers, we have a top 20 roster in the country, but we are not going to compete for a national title or a conference title this year. Not with Clemson getting who they get back and who they signed and obviously there are the Bamas, Georgias, Ohio States of the world to remind us what elite recruiting looks like. I do think, however, that we are building a championship roster even if it’s not at the pace I want.

TL;DR – we aint ready, but maybe next year.
 
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Nice breakdown but I think You need to take a look at what Clemson recruiting rankings were when they won the championship or Auburn’s when cam newton was there. If you have a transcendent qb then anything can happen. We was 1 game away from the playoffs This year even with limited scholarships(67.....) major injuries on offense and an inaccurate quarterback yet we almost went undefeated in the regular season. Everyone will be beatable next year. Bama is losing a lot and so is uga. If uga’s junior left this last draft they would have won only 8 games or so. Just let it play out
 
Nice breakdown but I think You need to take a look at what Clemson recruiting rankings were when they won the championship or Auburn’s when cam newton was there. If you have a transcendent qb then anything can happen. We was 1 game away from the playoffs This year even with limited scholarships(67.....) major injuries on offense and an inaccurate quarterback yet we almost went undefeated in the regular season. Everyone will be beatable next year. Bama is losing a lot and so is uga. If uga’s junior left this last draft they would have won only 8 games or so. Just let it play out

That's why I included the "We aren't winning a national title unless we have a Heisman caliber season" line. If one of our QBs or RBs decides to have a nationally relevant year, we could compete with what we have.
 
Another thing this alludes to what I’ve been saying, y’all bashing rumph but really the whole defensive staff has not been recruiting well. If you think haul he has 5 4 Star cbs in the last 2 years is above average then wtf you think Diaz and Banda are doing? Don’t just get on to rumph, everyone needs to pick their sh*t up on defense especially Diaz
 
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The idea those 3 LBs are all leaving early is hilarious.

McCloud probably won't even be a starter by the end of the season.
Pinckney isn't getting drafted unless he gets in much better shape.
Shaq could leave, but at the same time he seems like another Jaquan who wants to be here 4 years.

This time last year, everybody already knew those DTs were gone with good seasons
 
Also, "blue chip ratio" is just a dumb term defined by FSU writer Bud Elliot. It's really just a proxy for recruiting rankings, and even then it's imperfect.

Wisconsin went 13-1 last year. What was their BC ratio? Who was their Heisman QB?
 
Some of you need to accept that we are NEVER going to match Baga in total 4 & 5 prospects on our roster at once. Simply put, we don't pay enough for those kids and aren't in close proximity to enough them. We aren't going to beat them at their own game. Our game is getting the majority of the best players in the state of Miami and developing dogs who have a chip on their shoulder.
 
Some of you need to accept that we are NEVER going to match Baga in total 4 & 5 prospects on our roster at once. Simply put, we don't pay enough for those kids and aren't in close proximity to enough them. We aren't going to beat them at their own game. Our game is getting the majority of the best players in the state of Miami and developing dogs who have a chip on their shoulder.

This, and we won 5 National Titles like this.

The BC ratio and recruiting results have been improving steadily under Richt (from the #27 class in Golden's last cycle to #8 this year). Classes between 5-12 are pretty much what we're capable of. And we can win with that.
 
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Another this alludes to what I’ve been saying, y’all bashing rumph but really the whole defensive staff has been recruiting well. If you think haul he has 5 4 Star cbs in the last 2 years is above average then wtf you think Diaz and Banda are doing? Don’t just get on to rumph, everyone needs to pick their sh*t up on defense especially Diaz

Thats not true we bash them all, but you just love defending Rumph for some reason. Is he your BD?
 
Also, "blue chip ratio" is just a dumb term defined by FSU writer Bud Elliot. It's really just a proxy for recruiting rankings, and even then it's imperfect.

Wisconsin went 13-1 last year. What was their BC ratio? Who was their Heisman QB?
Their Heisman PLAYER was Jonathan Taylor. Who...well...was a Heisman Contender.

Also, Wisconsin was not really in the National Championship mix at 13-1. They needed to win the Big10, which, had Ohio State win, a regular at the top of the Blue Chip Ratio.

Also, as mentioned, some teams can get into the playoffs with some quirky Blue Chip Ratio...but they aren't winning it. The big boys are just too much at the top.
 
Man we have to get better at the other safety spot. Clemson and wisky picked on Redwine. We need Smiff and Hall to keep him on the bench.
 
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I believe in the Blue Chip Ratio theory, mostly because it’s been proven as a strong indicator of rosters capable of winning a national title based on roster make up. Okay, so good news and bad news. The bad news is based on our current roster, we are not going to win a national championship in 2019 (shocker). Good news is that we increased our overall ratio year over year, increased the blue chip ratio for all but two of our position groups and increased the average star rating of all positions but two this cycle.

** Everything below is based on the 247 Composite rating and uses their actual ranking (e.g. I didn’t put Brevin as a 5* even though we all know he’s a 5*). I also used the position they are coming to play (Joyner is playing LB here even though he’s listed as a DE on 247).

- We aren’t winning a national title unless we have a Heisman caliber season from someone. Our overall Blue Chip Ratio is 46%; I don’t know if Pastor Richt uses this ratio (doubtful), but he wasn’t wrong when he said we needed one more class to compete for a title. We are a similar ratio to Oklahoma from last year (I think they were around 48%), but they had Baker Mayfield and we do not.
- Offensively, we have a championship level roster. We are at 51% blue chip ratio and we average 3.56 stars per position. To no one’s surprise, our running back room and wide receiver rooms are sick (57%, 3.71 star average and 64%, 3.63 star average respectively). Pretty pretty good.
- Our worst offensive position group is our OL, but it’s being dragged down by the left over Golden Gang and our transfers– our overall average star rating is 3.4 with a 40% ratio, but our last two classes have a 50% ratio and 3.50 average.
- Defensively… it’s not good, boss. Our Blue Chip ratio is 40% with an average star ranking of 3.4. and our best position group on paper is our, believe it or not, corner back room that averages 3.66 stars per player and has a 67% ratio. On average, it’s actually a better room than our WR room… but that doesn’t excuse missing who we missed on.
- **** gets dicey in the front seven: DE ratio is nice at 60% and an average of 3.6, but consider that last year we were 7 deep and this year we are at 5 deep, including a converted-unconverted-converted tight end in Scott Patchan and a true freshman.
- Defensive Tackle is at 33% and 3.33 star average, which is just not good enough to win big. Sorry.
- The worst position group on the team is the linebacker position and it’s not close. We have a paltry ratio of 20% and the only two 4 star prospects at the position are juniors this year. We average 3.2 stars per player (the second lowest on the team is DT at 3.33… see where I’m going with this?). If you’re not strong up the middle, you’re not strong.
- Our safety group is only at 38% and has a few converted tweeners back there for an average rating of 3.38. After Jaquan, we are probably looking at playing the freshman ASAP.

Basically, we better hope we score a **** ton of points. It is going to be worse next year, too. We lose 20% of our 4 star players on defense next year, so Manny and Co are REALLY banking on our 3 linebackers to play their senior years. Given the bull**** we go through with early entrants, that seems rather foolish.

Based only on the numbers, we have a top 20 roster in the country, but we are not going to compete for a national title or a conference title this year. Not with Clemson getting who they get back and who they signed and obviously there are the Bamas, Georgias, Ohio States of the world to remind us what elite recruiting looks like. I do think, however, that we are building a championship roster even if it’s not at the pace I want.

TL;DR – we aint ready, but maybe next year.

Can you go back and apply this analysis to the 1980's recruiting classes that led to national championships in the late '80's and early '90's?

Let us know your results.

How does it apply to Clemson's classes?
 
Agree with your premise that we need more 4 & 5-star recruits no doubt. But it should also be noted that in 2017,

LSU's ratio was 65%, somehow still managed to lose to ND, Miss St 37-7 & Troy 24-21
FSU was 65%, Boston College beat'em 35-3
USC was 63%, lost to Wash St
Michigan was 61%, lost to Mich St, Penn St & South Carolina
Auburn was 59%, Clemson, LSU, UGA & UCF, they also beat 80% Bama
Notre Dame was 56%, both Stanford & us crushed them

Ultimately stars absolutely matter, accumulation of talent is extremely important in order to win College Football. Coaching makes a big difference as well.

Every P5 conference championship winner had a BC ratio of 50% or higher with the exception of Oklahoma & considering the Big XII is probably the easiest conference to win at the moment that makes sense.

With that said, I'm still not immediately counting us out, I believe we can win the ACC this year ratios be damned. I'm just a Green & Orange lensed homer so take what I say with a grain of salt.
 
Agree with your premise that we need more 4 & 5-star recruits no doubt. But it should also be noted that in 2017,

LSU's ratio was 65%, somehow still managed to lose to ND, Miss St 37-7 & Troy 24-21
FSU was 65%, Boston College beat'em 35-3
USC was 63%, lost to Wash St
Michigan was 61%, lost to Mich St, Penn St & South Carolina
Auburn was 59%, Clemson, LSU, UGA & UCF, they also beat 80% Bama
Notre Dame was 56%, both Stanford & us crushed them

Ultimately stars absolutely matter, accumulation of talent is extremely important in order to win College Football. Coaching makes a big difference as well.

Every P5 conference championship winner had a BC ratio of 50% or higher with the exception of Oklahoma & considering the Big XII is probably the easiest conference to win at the moment that makes sense.

With that said, I'm still not immediately counting us out, I believe we can win the ACC this year ratios be damned. I'm just a Green & Orange lensed homer so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Knowledge right here. I know this is the recruiting board but Ever year the coaching seems to matter less and less on this board.
 
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Can you go back and apply this analysis to the 1980's recruiting classes that led to national championships in the late '80's and early '90's?

Let us know your results.

How does it apply to Clemson's classes?

I get it. We won nattys in the 80s and early 90s probably without a positive ratio. The game was different back then, especially the fact that you could have more kids on scholarship. The fact still stands that in the last 15 years, no team has won a national title without hitting the blue chip ratio.

Clemson had a 52% blue chip ratio in 2016 when they won and a 56% last year
 
This, and we won 5 National Titles like this.

The BC ratio and recruiting results have been improving steadily under Richt (from the #27 class in Golden's last cycle to #8 this year). Classes between 5-12 are pretty much what we're capable of. And we can win with that.

The first part of your post is just a baseless argument. We won titles in 83, 87, 89, 91, and 01. Did you spend a lot of time online back then? No, because you didn't have it.

A ton of guys on those teams would be 4 and 5 stars now, its just that nobody half a country away knew about them and you didn't
have the recruiting business that the internet feeds . The game changed. I'm not all about stars, but stop with the "we won before with" bull****. Many schools can say that, and most of them haven't done **** for years. ND has 8, anything recently (and 1998 shouldn't even count)? Oklahoma has 7, none since before our last one. Nebraska also has 5, how's that going for them?

We are making progress; no question. But we have to. And what worked in the past doesn't matter much unless you think others schools are suddenly going to leave south Florida.
 
the d will be fine its been fine every year under diaz. and if anyone not named rosier is qb they will score a **** ton of points the offense is only on the way up, the defense. has some good kids coming in , carter/hall are both top notch safeties taken last 2 yrs, u got Jaquan and redwine who was rated a cb not a s afety coming in and is now a good safety. the d will be fine. when u look at de top 4-5 is very good dt is a trouble spot maybe but top 3 or so is solid if silvera can play right away I'm not worried there this year. plus any graduate transfers. plus diaz has had a very good d for 2 yrs with a bad clue chip ratio. fact is kool has put a bunch of former 3 star dline guys in nfl only Sheldon Richardson of all the Missouri kids was 4 star or higher
 
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