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QuatroCane said:
When you look at the ACC as a whole there's a lot of dead weight programs compared to the PAC 12 and BIG 12.

Wake, Duke, UVA, BC, Pitt etc.
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Duke and UVA bring a good bit of revenue. But yes absolutely Wake forest should not be in conference.
 
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DF is everyone complaining about?

QuatroCane said:
When you look at the ACC as a whole there's a lot of dead weight programs compared to the PAC 12 and BIG 12.

Wake, Duke, UVA, BC, Pitt etc.
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You could add us as well. It not like we've lived up to expectation since joining this conference 14 years ago. Our attendance during the course of those 14 years where terrible to. We didn't bring anything to the conference till recently. We do have a very high ceiling though.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Exactly. Geographic center is meaningless. It’s about hubs and hotels. Thinks cities like Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, ok even Charlotte, throw in Tampa, if you like....so many cities to choose from with easy flights and plenty of beds.
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This would make sense... if the ACC hadn't already been in those places and did poorly from an attendance standpoint.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Exactly. Geographic center is meaningless. It’s about hubs and hotels. Thinks cities like Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, ok even Charlotte, throw in Tampa, if you like....so many cities to choose from with easy flights and plenty of beds.
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I’ve been to ACC Championship games at Orlando, Tampa, and Charlotte. Charlotte by far puts the event together the best mainly because everything is located in such close proximity. The only gripe I have about Charlotte is they need to open more **** gates to enter Bank of America Stadium before the game! Was a disaster getting in there. Maybe Orlando or Tampa could be a better host if Miami and FSU could win their divisions in the same year.

I do agree with you about Atlanta hosting the game but unless the ACC wants to play second fiddle to the SEC and play the game on Friday/Sunday vs Saturday or play at Turner Field, I’m not sure how feasible Atlanta is. Just my two cents. Hopefully we can start getting there with more regularity.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Geographic center is almost meaningless in the modern world of travel by aeroplanes.
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The attendance will almost always be better in Charlotte than anywhere else.

Driving an hour instead of getting on a plane will always be more convenient even in the modern world of aeroplanes.
 
TheChosenOne said:
DF is everyone complaining about?
You could add us as well. It not like we've lived up to expectation since joining this conference 14 years ago. Our attendance during the course of those 14 years where terrible to. We didn't bring anything to the conference till recently. We do have a very high ceiling though.
This would make sense... if the ACC hadn't already been in those places and did poorly from an attendance standpoint.
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Attendance has little to do with it. My reference was to eyeballs. People want to see Miami, win or lose. That's not the case with the other programs I mentioned. Who's watching Duke vs BC?
Miami at least has a name, even VT struggles to get attention, they're more of a regional program.
 
QuatroCane said:
Attendance has little to do with it. My reference was to eyeballs. People want to see Miami, win or lose. That's not the case with the other programs I mentioned. Who's watching Duke vs BC?
Miami at least has a name, even VT struggles to get attention, they're more of a regional program.
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DF you talking about? No one wants to watch us when we suck or else we're have a reliable network to watch our games on instead of having to watch half our games on stream. Duke-FSU pulled 67k and UNC-Clemson pulled 74k in Charlotte. 2 basketball schools didn't bring down the attendance at all. I think the team no one wants to watch is GT since no one in the new millennium* wants to watch a triple option team.

Geographically and attendance tells you Charlotte is the perfect place to host the game. Sigh.. Leave it to Miami fans to make the ACCCG game once in 14 years and start complaining about the location just like we do with our own stadium. This is why we struggle with attendance because we look for every avenue to complain about something that can't change (Stadium Location). Worse part is Canes fans will say "There is nothing to do in Charlotte so no point in going." those same people will tell you "there so much to do in Miami that's why we don't go to games". FFS make up your mind. I could of swore we packed our half of the stadium chill with the complaining it obviously wasn't an issue.

Listen, how about we make a couple of ACCCG games or else the ACCCG location will be the last of our worries.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
DF you talking about? No one wants to watch us when we suck or else we're have a reliable network to watch our games on instead of having to watch half our games on stream. Duke-FSU pulled 67k and UNC-Clemson pulled 74k in Charlotte. 2 basketball schools didn't bring down the attendance at all. I think the team no one wants to watch is GT since no one in the new aluminum wants to watch a triple option team.

Geographically and attendance tells you Charlotte is the perfect place to host the game. Sigh.. Leave it to Miami fans to make the ACCCG game once in 14 years and start complaining about the location just like we do with our own stadium. This is why we struggle with attendance because we look for every avenue to complain about something that can't change (Stadium Location). Worse part is Canes fans will say "There is nothing to do in Charlotte so no point in going." those same people will tell you "there so much to do in Miami that's why we don't go to games". FFS make up your mind. I could of swore we packed our half of the stadium chill with the complaining it obviously wasn't an issue.

Listen, how about we make a couple of ACCCG games or else the ACCCG location will be the last of our worries.
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Aluminum? ****, TCO. I normally enjoy your contributions, and hate being the Grammar **** guy, but how bad you got to fvck up millennium to get auto-corrected to aluminum?
 
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The game should be played in Atlanta, and the SEC needs to move to New Orleans. Playing an outdoor game in North Carolina in December creates advantages for certain teams, and the idea is to be a "neutral site".
 
TheChosenOne said:
DF you talking about? No one wants to watch us when we suck or else we're have a reliable network to watch our games on instead of having to watch half our games on stream. Duke-FSU pulled 67k and UNC-Clemson pulled 74k in Charlotte. 2 basketball schools didn't bring down the attendance at all. I think the team no one wants to watch is GT since no one in the new millennium* wants to watch a triple option team.


Listen, how about we make a couple of ACCCG games or else the ACCCG location will be the last of our worries.
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Again with the attendance numbers, what part of TV sets tuned in do you not comprehend and even using attendance you chose games with FSU and Clemson, good grief. So in your opinion Duke vs BC is pulling the same audience as Miami vs Pitt? and last I checked I said nothing about where the ACCCG is played.
 
TheChosenOne said:
DF is everyone complaining about?



You could add us as well. It not like we've lived up to expectation since joining this conference 14 years ago. Our attendance during the course of those 14 years where terrible to. We didn't bring anything to the conference till recently. We do have a very high ceiling though.



This would make sense... if the ACC hadn't already been in those places and did poorly from an attendance standpoint.
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This argument holds no water either. Attendance in Charlotte has been incredibly up and down just as well as it has in Orlando. Would you really try to argue that the attendance last year for Miami vs Clemson would have been any different if the game was in Orlando instead of Charlotte? That's a joke. Attendance at ACCCG is a factor of who is playing in the game and how relevant the game is to the playoff picture, it has little to do with where the game is played. If anything, putting the game in a warm market with ample hotels, that aren't going to go to triple the standard rate just because of a football game, and having the conference back the location with plenty of advance notice and promotion, will increase attendance.
 
TheChosenOne said:
DF you talking about? No one wants to watch us when we suck or else we're have a reliable network to watch our games on instead of having to watch half our games on stream. Duke-FSU pulled 67k and UNC-Clemson pulled 74k in Charlotte. 2 basketball schools didn't bring down the attendance at all. I think the team no one wants to watch is GT since no one in the new millennium* wants to watch a triple option team.

Geographically and attendance tells you Charlotte is the perfect place to host the game. Sigh.. Leave it to Miami fans to make the ACCCG game once in 14 years and start complaining about the location just like we do with our own stadium. This is why we struggle with attendance because we look for every avenue to complain about something that can't change (Stadium Location). Worse part is Canes fans will say "There is nothing to do in Charlotte so no point in going." those same people will tell you "there so much to do in Miami that's why we don't go to games". FFS make up your mind. I could of swore we packed our half of the stadium chill with the complaining it obviously wasn't an issue.

Listen, how about we make a couple of ACCCG games or else the ACCCG location will be the last of our worries.
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Look, forget all the other stuff. Please justify signing a contract to lock up the ACCCG in Charlotte through 2030. How can that possibly be justified? It's just like LeBron doing one year deals to make sure to keep the Cavaliers from taking him for granted. It's not like the SEC or Big10 were beating down Charlotte's door trying to get the city to kick us out and host the game for them. The bottom line is, Charlotte needs the ACC far more than the ACC needs Charlotte. Worst case, we should be renegotiating with Charlotte every 3 years to make sure that they are giving us the best deal we can get and that they aren't slacking on their end, as they did last year with entry into the game. That was not just inconvenient, it was dangerous.

We can debate ad nauseum the other minutiae and agree to disagree on where the game "should" be played (but I honestly can't understand how any Miami fan who isn't a self-loathing cuck would say that they want the game to be played in Charlotte, basically right next door to the team that we need to knock off to take control of the conference).

The fact that the powers in control of the conference at current signed this deal locking in the conference through 2030 tells you all you need to know about who is running the league, who they are running it FOR, and who is on the outside looking in when it comes to fairness and preferential treatment. The fact that they felt the need to lock it up for so long also tells you they fear that the balance of power may one day change. Our administration, and FSU's, need to increase the pressure to make that happen if we are going to have a level playing field.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
This argument holds no water either. Attendance in Charlotte has been incredibly up and down just as well as it has in Orlando. Would you really try to argue that the attendance last year for Miami vs Clemson would have been any different if the game was in Orlando instead of Charlotte? That's a joke. Attendance at ACCCG is a factor of who is playing in the game and how relevant the game is to the playoff picture, it has little to do with where the game is played. If anything, putting the game in a warm market with ample hotels, that aren't going to go to triple the standard rate just because of a football game, and having the conference back the location with plenty of advance notice and promotion, will increase attendance.
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everything has shown Orlando doesn't pull the same as much as Charlotte when it comes to good match ups. The Belk Bowls match-ups are terrible and still manage to pull 45k. Orlando's stadium holds about 65k and LSU vs ND got about 57k. Those are by far the most active fan base in terms of traveling and they didn't even fill the stadium. Miami vs top 15 WVU: 48K Miami vs top 15 Louisville: 51K. Top 15 Miami vs Top 20 Wisconsin: 56k. #3 Clemson and #19 VT ACCCG 2 schools with active fan bases: 51K. Meanwhile #2 Florida State vs #20 Duke drew 67k.

g8rh8rMD said:
Look, forget all the other stuff. Please justify signing a contract to lock up the ACCCG in Charlotte through 2030. How can that possibly be justified? It's just like LeBron doing one year deals to make sure to keep the Cavaliers from taking him for granted. It's not like the SEC or Big10 were beating down Charlotte's door trying to get the city to kick us out and host the game for them. The bottom line is, Charlotte needs the ACC far more than the ACC needs Charlotte. Worst case, we should be renegotiating with Charlotte every 3 years to make sure that they are giving us the best deal we can get and that they aren't slacking on their end, as they did last year with entry into the game. That was not just inconvenient, it was dangerous.

We can debate ad nauseum the other minutiae and agree to disagree on where the game "should" be played (but I honestly can't understand how any Miami fan who isn't a self-loathing cuck would say that they want the game to be played in Charlotte, basically right next door to the team that we need to knock off to take control of the conference).

The fact that the powers in control of the conference at current signed this deal locking in the conference through 2030 tells you all you need to know about who is running the league, who they are running it FOR, and who is on the outside looking in when it comes to fairness and preferential treatment. The fact that they felt the need to lock it up for so long also tells you they fear that the balance of power may one day change. Our administration, and FSU's, need to increase the pressure to make that happen if we are going to have a level playing field.
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I get locking up the ACCCG till 2030 is premature but they explore other options after the bathroom law got passed and they went to the newly renovated camping stadium and it flopped. They tried Jacksonville, flopped! They tried Tampa, flopped! They tried Orlando, Flopped. Charlotte needs the ACC vice versa. Where are they suppose to put the game? Atlanta? You think Atlanta will tell the SEC to go kick rocks in favor of the ACC? LMAO.

The SEC wasn't beating on Charlotte's door because why would the SEC ask Charlotte to host a game in a stadium that didn't exist until 1996 (SECCG Started in 1992). Not only that who chooses to play the conference championship in outside weather if given the choice to play it inside.

This argument your making you could make about the Orange Bowl being in Miami,the Rose Bowl being in LA, or the Cotton Bowl being in Texas.I think they could care less about the balance of power and it more about not having an empty stadium on national TV in the most important game in the conference.
 
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g8rh8rMD said:
The fact that the powers in control of the conference at current signed this deal locking in the conference through 2030 tells you all you need to know about who is running the league, who they are running it FOR, and who is on the outside looking in when it comes to fairness and preferential treatment. The fact that they felt the need to lock it up for so long also tells you they fear that the balance of power may one day change. Our administration, and FSU's, need to increase the pressure to make that happen if we are going to have a level playing field.
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This is conspiracy level stuff.

The SEC has locked up Atlanta. It's almost like a brand now. The SEC Championship in Atlanta is a thing.

Maybe the ACC is going for the same thing.

If anything, there's no advantage to rotating it.
 
Meh, attendance for the conference championship games has more to do with who's playing in the game than where the game is being played. The two times they played the game in Tampa, the match-ups were pathetic.

2008: #18 Boston College vs #25 Virginia Tech
2009: #25 Clemson vs #12 Georgia Tech

Not total garbage but very weak for a "championship" game.

Side note: Last years' game narrowly missed the record for ACCCG attendance.
 
Mark Little said:
This is conspiracy level stuff.

The SEC has locked up Atlanta. It's almost like a brand now. The SEC Championship in Atlanta is a thing.

Maybe the ACC is going for the same thing.

If anything, there's no advantage to rotating it.
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You still have yet to explain what advantage there is to the ACC to lock themselves in to a deal with the city of Charlotte 13 years into the future. What possible purpose would this serve? Even if it does behoove the league and it's members to keep the game in Charlotte forever in perpetuity, what benefit is there for contractually obligating yourself so far out?
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Welcome to the All Carolina Conference. All told, the move to the ACC has been a positive for the school. Maybe there wasn't really a choice, but a Big East that still has Miami, VT, BC, Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse (and let's be real, the ACC only took the others in order to get Miami) would still be a legit P5/P6 conference capable of getting a 1 loss Miami into the playoff. At the end of the day, no one in this conference outside of the Carolina schools gets treated fairly, and the move has been a net negative for the football program. There is no disputing those two facts.

On the other hand, it's been great for basketball, really good for academics, and I would think has been a positive for all other sports aside from football. It also provides guaranteed revenue and smooths sports revenue year over year, which makes it much easier to plan administratively.

All of that said, as our football team continues to return to prominence, now is the time for our AD and President to begin demanding more fairness from the conference and start throwing our weight around a bit more. The day cannot come soon enough that Blake James starts talking publicly about things like this tier 3 revenue disparity, and I really want to hear him say to the media that the ACC better never schedule Miami again for Thursday or Friday road games, cause we won't be doing that anymore. This playing on the road on the day after Thanksgiving thing is complete bullsh!t. Even worse is sending Clem$on up to Syracuse on a Thursday night. The top teams in the conference have to say #nomore to that crap. If the league wants GT and BC playing on national TV on Thursday night, so be it. National title contenders don't need to be doing that bush league stuff.

Also, when scientific studies prove that league officiating is biased, the AD's of those programs who suffer the bias should be speaking out about it.

It's time we stopped bending over and taking this crap.
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The day of the week and time of the game is set by the networks, not by the conference or school. As you wrote, Clemson played on a Thursday and FSU on a Friday, not what those schools wanted either.
 
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