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The difference between #50 and #57 is pretty subjective and only 2 points out of 100. You know as well as I do that Miami has a different demographic and draw than Florida or Florida State or South Florida for that matter. My son was 9th floor Pentland last year and not one guy on his floor was from Florida. They were primarily from the northeast or international. The sophomores in his Air Force ROTC class from Miami total 7. He has kids from FAU, FIU, Barry, MDCC, etc. Of the 7 Miami kids, 2 are from Florida, 1 from Iowa, 2 from Virginia and 1 from Connecticut and 1 from New York. The upperclassman are pretty much the same. I think Marshall Few is the only Florida kid in the junior class and he's from Jacksonville.

I'll argue bull **** this is a mediocre university. Miami is tied with Penn State, Pitt and Purdue and 1 point behind RPI and Ohio State. And rated well ahead of Minnesota, Texas A&M, Fordham, Baylor, George Washington and some **** fine schools.

The fact that UM has dropped from the mid 30s to the mid 50s over several years tells me that the reputation of the university has declined/is declining. The fact that FSU has gone from the 100s to being tied with UM is meaningful both in regard to how FSU is viewed in state, but also how UM is viewed in state compared to the 90% cheaper state universities. I understand that UM has a different demographic draw than Florida state schools. I also understand that for $60k per year, your diploma better mean something nationally, or UM will go back to being "Suntan U" for rich northeastern kids who don't have the grades/scores to get into a competitive school.
 
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that still doesn’t mean Miami’s education quality has dropped off though and using that to make that argument that you did isn’t a true measure of it.

I'm arguing that the value of the diploma has dropped off, meaning how the degree is viewed nationally by employers and grad schools. I don't know what "Education quality" means or how to measure that.
 
The fact that UM has dropped from the mid 30s to the mid 50s over several years tells me that the reputation of the university has declined/is declining. The fact that FSU has gone from the 100s to being tied with UM is meaningful both in regard to how FSU is viewed in state, but also how UM is viewed in state compared to the 90% cheaper state universities. I understand that UM has a different demographic draw than Florida state schools. I also understand that for $60k per year, your diploma better mean something nationally, or UM will go back to being "Suntan U" for rich northeastern kids who don't have the grades/scores to get into a competitive school.

Article from campus newspaper this past September. US News and World Report changed the metrics. Of course pulling acceptance rate, SAT/ACT scores and high school standing is a big deal as well as expert opinion. To me those are significant metrics no longer measured.

In 2018, U.S. News also removed acceptance rate as a ranking factor, an area UM performs well in, reporting a rate of 27 percent for the class of 2023. That year the algorithm also changed to decrease the weight of expert opinion, SAT and ACT scores and high school class standing.

Falling again, UM ranking drops to no. 57

For the second year in a row, the University of Miami was marked outside of the top 50 universities in the United States by U.S. News and World Report. In the past year alone, UM dropped three spots and now stands 57th in the country, tied to rival Florida State University. This is the third consecutive year that UM has dropped in ranking.

In response to the report, Provost Jeffrey Duerk said the university takes these rankings seriously. “Since I arrived, we have been taking an active role in ensuring UM is the strongest possible,” Duerk said.
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Breaking it down: The U.S. News algorithm and UM’s progress
One of the points of improvement for the university is first year retention rate, which accounts for 4.4 percent of overall ranking within the U.S. News algorithm. To address this, Duerk said the university redesigned the student accounts, financial aid and registration process and has new residential buildings coming in 2020. These plans are aimed to improve the overall student experience, he said.

“We take these steps not because they will improve our rankings, but because they are fundamental to our core mission,” President Julio Frenk said in a message to faculty and staff addressing the report. Current residential facilities are what senior Harry Hewson, majoring in economics and political science, said he believes is “fixed at the core” of UM’s problems with retention rate.

“Somebody could have a great fit here, might fit in with the people here, might have great friends, the classes might be just right for them, but simply because the housing is terrible, they might say ‘I can’t do this anymore, I have to leave,’” Hewson said. He noted that Stanford-Hecht and Mahoney-Pearson, in particular, are causes of complaint for many students.
Student outcomes including retention rates and six-year graduation rates, as well as measures for social mobility tracking Pell Grant students, now account for 35 percent of the U.S. News algorithm, a change made in the fall of 2018. That was the same year UM dropped from no. 46 to no. 53. This past year, the algorithm shifted once again, removing high school counselor’s assessment from consideration, deferring all marks in expert opinion to peer review among other universities. According to the provost, UM’s peer-reputation score has greatly improved over the past few years. Expert opinion accounts for 20 percent of the overall score determining ranking.

In 2018, U.S. News also removed acceptance rate as a ranking factor, an area UM performs well in, reporting a rate of 27 percent for the class of 2023. That year the algorithm also changed to decrease the weight of expert opinion, SAT and ACT scores and high school class standing.

Florida public universities on the rise
UM peaked in ranking at no. 38 in the 2012 report, during former President Donna Shalala’s tenure. Now 19 spots away from that point, UM is tied with FSU at 57th, sitting 23 spots from the University of Florida, which is ranked no. 34.
FSU experienced an incredible upward soar in rankings in the past four U.S. News reports, jumping 35 spots from no. 92 in 2017 to match UM at no. 57 this year. FSU is now ranked no. 18 for public universities.

Similarly, UF steadily moved up in ranking the past four years, from no. 50 in 2017 down to no. 34 in the 2020 report, making it the highest ranked university in the state, a bragging right that UM and UF have battled for over the past decade.
The rise of UF and FSU, both large public universities in the state of Florida, meets a goal set by former Gov. Rick Scott, who sought to have a top 10 research university in the U.S. and another public university in the top 25. In February of this year, Gov. Ron DeSantis unveiled a budget plan to increase performance funding for state universities by $66 million. This money is purposed to help bolster programs and investment in students without hikes in tuition.

As both UF and FSU experience surges in ranking, Duerk said UM’s fall has prompted the university to look into the methodology for how it is reporting its data to U.S. News.
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The faculty senate, several professors and the dean of the Miami Business School John Quelch declined to comment.
In further response to the ranking, Duerk said that USNWR is just “one-yard stick” and touted the many other ongoing marks of progress that members of the UM community have reason to be excited about.

“I think UM is one of the most vibrant and vital universities in the U.S.,” Duerk said. “The diversity of its degree programs, the diversity among its students, the credentials of our students, our nationally recognized research, our selectivity and yield, and our student to faculty ratio, certainly place us among the best universities in the U.S.”
Students respond to the ranking
For junior Ashia Latimore, a marine science and chemistry double major, the drop in ranking did not shake her view of the quality of education at UM, she said. “Academically, I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t think it was a really good place to be,” Latimore said. Other students agreed that ranking didn’t play a huge factor in their decision to come to UM and doesn’t affect their current views of the university.

“Ranking will only tell you so much,” said Hewson, who decided to come to UM after studying film at the UM Summer Scholars program. “You do have to go back to simply going to the school. If it’s a good fit for you, then it’s a good fit.”
However, Hewson went on to say that if he was a senior applying to schools right now, he might feel differently.

“If I was a senior in high school, and I’m tracking university growth, I might be less inclined to go to some place that has been dropping steadily over the past couple years,” Hewson said.

Jack Borowsky, a current senior at Staples High School in Westport, Connecticut is considering applying early decision to UM. He said he looked at rankings when choosing where to apply, but he also used a website called Naviance that matches students to schools that might be a good fit based on their strengths and credentials. The website matched Borowsky with UM and he “fell in love with the school ” after visiting.

“There’s schools that might be ranked higher than Miami, but when you look at the Naviance scores, Miami is a lot harder to get into,” Borowsky said. For him, ranking isn’t as important as “the high-level sports and academics,” warm weather and campus environment that he sees at UM. Duerk said students have the opportunity for a great college experience at UM.
“No ranking can measure the level of student access or engagement, or how each student embraces the opportunity of the university,”
 
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Ok. I'm not sure what this article has to do with my point.

The point is key indicators changed and I would argue very important ones which accounts for the downward trend. The question is whether the university will adjust to how US News and World Reports does it measuring.
 
The fact that UM has dropped from the mid 30s to the mid 50s over several years tells me that the reputation of the university has declined/is declining. The fact that FSU has gone from the 100s to being tied with UM is meaningful both in regard to how FSU is viewed in state, but also how UM is viewed in state compared to the 90% cheaper state universities. I understand that UM has a different demographic draw than Florida state schools. I also understand that for $60k per year, your diploma better mean something nationally, or UM will go back to being "Suntan U" for rich northeastern kids who don't have the grades/scores to get into a competitive school.

You don't just leap from near the bottom to the 50s- something in the rankings changed. Reminds of at TAMU being ranked No. 1 by some publication - the ranking was due largely to amount of research money poured in by donors
 
You don't just leap from near the bottom to the 50s- something in the rankings changed. Reminds of at TAMU being ranked No. 1 by some publication - the ranking was due largely to amount of research money poured in by donors

Read the article I posted from the school newspaper above. Acceptance rates, SAT/ACT scores and high school class standings all removed. Expert opinion also reduced and metrics change.

In 2018, U.S. News also removed acceptance rate as a ranking factor, an area UM performs well in, reporting a rate of 27 percent for the class of 2023. That year the algorithm also changed to decrease the weight of expert opinion, SAT and ACT scores and high school class standing.
 
The UM board of trustees have been lucky that this school is in sofla. Howard recognized the local talent and JJ changes the game by using the speed down here. The fact that we live down here has meant that this slightly above 500 team has been profitable because of the proximity to talent even if it’s a last resort and the loyal fan base that is slowly eroding. We’ve gone from the early 90’s when you saw canes gear all over the country and when every kid dreamed of an offer, to barely seeing canes gear locally.
If this school was anywhere else and we had an on campus stadium, the admin would’ve been on the **** hot seat right after Coker.
 
you talking about Juan Luis Pedro Phillipo de Huevos Epstein ?

yeah, he didn't kill himself
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I feel sorry for you guys…

I know when your entire world is about football you think that’s the only thing that exist…

The BOT maybe thinks about the football program 5% of the time at most…

They’ve got huge projects they work on between the undergraduate, graduate, medical research, fundraising and other international projects that are going on. There are literally billions of dollars flying around in many many different projects that they’re worried about.

Whether the hurricanes win championships every year is definitely not a major concern for any serious academic university board of trustees.

That **** is for schools like Alabama where they don’t give a **** whether they have the best academics or not.
 
Listening now and he confirmed my thoughts on the strength program the past few years. I knew that sh*t was fugazi :ROFLMAO:
 
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