Trustee: Golden buyout substantially lower after next season

[BucCANEers]

I never said Butch would be worse. I said Ice and coley could be worse. Dont put words in my mouth. And you need to read carefully. Im speaking in the minds of Miami and how they've acted over the years. And yes a coach with multiple years left on his contract is worth more than a one year coach. Coaches do not want to work under somebody that has a one year deal. If you want Butch Davis you give him multple years, not a slap in the face one year deal. And once again no decent staff would work for a guy under one year contract

Relax. Ice or Coley would be worse? How do you know? What do you expect from Al in 2015? Seriously, what do you expect? Please answer this question.

I would give Butch a multiple year deal, I'm not against it. It is Miami who came up with this genius strategy to let the new president continue to micromanage the athletic department. That is why I suggested this one year deal because it fits their bonehead strategy. It also isn't a one year deal, it just has a small buyout. It would be a normal deal but it gives our school the flexibility to implement their genius strategy.

Assistant coaches generally only get ONE YEAR deals. There is no real security for assistant coaches. This is the norm. Again your fixated on the irrelevant. The irrelevant is worrying about who the next coach would assemble. The relevant is fixing the major issue (ALbort).

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC. Coley, not gonna lie, its just that feeling I dont think he will cut it as of now as HC. And as far as the one year deal. Im not talking about the assistants' one year deal. Im talking about who they work under. Typically if a new coach is hired then the previous regime's staff is gone. Why would you work for a coach that might be gone which in turn means your gone too.

 

[Consigliere]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC. Coley, not gonna lie, its just that feeling I dont think he will cut it as of now as HC. And as far as the one year deal. Im not talking about the assistants' one year deal. Im talking about who they work under. Typically if a new coach is hired then the previous regime's staff is gone. Why would you work for a coach that might be gone which in turn means your gone too.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question that I asked a bunch of times now.

What do you expect from Al in 2015?

I will respond after I hear your answer.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

 

[BucCANEers]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC. Coley, not gonna lie, its just that feeling I dont think he will cut it as of now as HC. And as far as the one year deal. Im not talking about the assistants' one year deal. Im talking about who they work under. Typically if a new coach is hired then the previous regime's staff is gone. Why would you work for a coach that might be gone which in turn means your gone too.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question that I asked a bunch of times now.

What do you expect from Al in 2015?

I will respond after I hear your answer.

I expect nothing. Im assuming you think Im gonna say something positive towards Golden so you can call me a potato? Or you're gonna go back to the one year coach theory.

 

[Insanecane]

Like other have said, fire Golden and put Butch on a 4 year $3M contract with a small (if any) buy-out.

Instant upgrade.

I know out Admin is not going to do that. It would make too much sense. Drum up too much enthusiasm over the program. Save our terrible 2015 recruiting class.

 

[Klamalama]

The buyout will be $0 at the end of his contract. So, if waiting 1 year is good, waiting till the end is best.

FIRE HIS *** NOW!

 

[Consigliere]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC. Coley, not gonna lie, its just that feeling I dont think he will cut it as of now as HC. And as far as the one year deal. Im not talking about the assistants' one year deal. Im talking about who they work under. Typically if a new coach is hired then the previous regime's staff is gone. Why would you work for a coach that might be gone which in turn means your gone too.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question that I asked a bunch of times now.

What do you expect from Al in 2015?

I will respond after I hear your answer.

I expect nothing. Im assuming you think Im gonna say something positive towards Golden so you can call me a potato? Or you're gonna go back to the one year coach theory.

I said I won't call you names if you directly answer the questions. Finally you answered the question.

Since you "expect nothing", why are you against someone else getting a chance?

This isn't a theory, Al is a failure. You even "expect nothing" so why are you fighting change if you "expect nothing?"

 

[Consigliere]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

Gus Malzahn was a HS coach in 2005. Hugh Freeze was one in 2004. These coaches come from somewhere, they're not born college HCs. Almost anything is better than Al Golden, I would take a chance with someone else over Al in 2015.

 

[BucCANEers]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

Gus Malzahn was a HS coach in 2005. Hugh Freeze was one in 2004. These coaches come from somewhere, they're not born college HCs. Almost anything is better than Al Golden, I would take a chance with someone else over Al in 2015.

I dont think you understand. They werent born in college, but got a start somewhere. They werent a HS HC then a college HC with only a tiny bit of college experience under them and yes it can be worse. Like how ppl never thought Shannon years would be worse. And once again you need to read carefully. Never said Golden being a failure is theory and never mentioned that Im afraid of change or afraid of giving someone else a chance. Dont put words in my mouth. I said a one year deal is garbage and ice or coley could be worse. If you're gonna fire Golden and get a coach then do it. Dont ***** around with a one year deal.

 

[Consigliere]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

Gus Malzahn was a HS coach in 2005. Hugh Freeze was one in 2004. These coaches come from somewhere, they're not born college HCs. Almost anything is better than Al Golden, I would take a chance with someone else over Al in 2015.

I dont think you understand. They werent born in college, but got a start somewhere. They werent an HS HC then a college HC with only a tiny bit of college experience under them and yes it can be worse. Like how ppl never thought Shannon years would be worse. And once again you need to read carefully. Never said Golden being a failure is theory and never mentioned that Im afraid of change. Dont put words in my mouth. I said a one year deal is garbage and ice or coley could be worse.

You need to calm the *** down and you make little sense (again I'm not name calling).

Could be worse? Seriously? You have already written off Golden by saying you "expect nothing". What is lower than "nothing"? Can you have negatives?

Trust me I get it. I'm not advocating for Ice or Coley as the Full Time head coach. I'm advocating on the interim basis, there is a MAJOR difference. I too expect nothing but unlike you, I would trade Butch/Coley or Ice next season over Al. Why? Because I hate the idea of throwing the season away with Al. Al will fail in 2015. This is already proven based on his track record. Even if Coley or Ice (remember I want Butch) has a 1% chance of success, I am rolling with the 1% chance because...AL WILL GET US NOTHING!

Again, I didn't make this genius strategy of holding onto Al for 2015. I am only coming up with a "better" solution based on what our school wants.

On a side note: Malzahn and Freeze were both college HCs within 4 years after leaving HS. That is pretty quick. You either can coach or you can't. We know Al can't coach. Let's go with someone else.

 

[BucCANEers]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

Gus Malzahn was a HS coach in 2005. Hugh Freeze was one in 2004. These coaches come from somewhere, they're not born college HCs. Almost anything is better than Al Golden, I would take a chance with someone else over Al in 2015.

I dont think you understand. They werent born in college, but got a start somewhere. They werent an HS HC then a college HC with only a tiny bit of college experience under them and yes it can be worse. Like how ppl never thought Shannon years would be worse. And once again you need to read carefully. Never said Golden being a failure is theory and never mentioned that Im afraid of change. Dont put words in my mouth. I said a one year deal is garbage and ice or coley could be worse.

You need to calm the *** down and you make little sense (again I'm not name calling).

Could be worse? Seriously? You have already written off Golden by saying you "expect nothing". What is lower than "nothing"? Can you have negatives?

Trust me I get it. I'm not advocating for Ice or Coley as the Full Time head coach. I'm advocating on the interim basis, there is a MAJOR difference. I too expect nothing but unlike you, I would trade Butch/Coley or Ice next season over Al. Why? Because I hate the idea of throwing the season away with Al. Al will fail in 2015. This is already proven based on his track record. Even if Coley or Ice (remember I want Butch) has a 1% chance of success, I am rolling with the 1% chance because...AL WILL GET US NOTHING!

Again, I didn't make this genius strategy of holding onto Al for 2015. I am only coming up with a "better" solution based on what our school wants.

On a side note: Malzahn and Freeze were both college HCs within 4 years after leaving HS. That is pretty quick. You either can coach or you can't. We know Al can't coach. Let's go with someone else.

I actually made alot of sense. You just keep saying things and trying to twist my words. And if you fire Golden someone has to take his place, his coaches would most likely do worse. Also, they rose through the ranks in college they werent HS HC one year then wake up in the SEC. This is basically what Harris would be. No head coach experience or even coordinator then HC @ Miami. That Spells trouble. Booker T is way different from Miami. Hire a coach with a real contract or don't, go all in, man up

 

[dfreshhookup]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

And in all honesty, Fickell wasn't really as bad as his record, other than getting his *** handed to him against the Canes, his losses were by 3 points, 7 points, 3 points, 6 points, 6 points and 7 points. They beat two ranked teams and literally could have been 13-1 had one possession gone differently in their losses. You think he would have been fired had they gone 13-1 or even lets say 10-3?

And here's the reality, even if they somehow fired Golden now and promoted someone like Coley, you know what would change? We'd probably have a new special teams coach and the rest of the status quo. Would it greatly change the season? Nah.

The 2011 OSU team went 6-7, so that entire first paragraph is laughable, borderline delusional. 6-7 teams aren't 1 or 2 posessions away from 13-1.

Your second paragraph is the crux of my argument. Nobody knows how things would change under a new head coach, and if the changes are negligible and the team sucks anyway, o well. The teams going to suck with an absolute certainty next year under Golden. Lifes giving us lemons and theyre squeezing the juice up our ****holes.

They went 6-7 and had 6 losses by 7 points or less. Pretty sure that's one possession a game where they could have won games. It's not like they were getting run over.

Reading comprehension son.

 

[nycane]

first time herald mentioned something like this from a trustee which brings hope.

 

[Consigliere]

I actually made alot of sense. You just keep saying things and trying to twist my words. And if you fire Golden someone has to take his place, his coaches would most likely do worse. Also, they rose through the ranks in college they werent HS HC one year then wake up in the SEC. This is basically what Harris would be. No head coach experience or even coordinator then HC @ Miami. That Spells trouble. Booker T is way different from Miami. Hire a coach with a real contract or don't, go all in, man up

You don't make any sense. You "expect nothing" but prefer Golden over an interim coach. Why? If you expect nothing, how could it be worse? What is worse than nothing? What is your fear?

Coley has been a coach for longer than one year, I rather roll with him than Golden. I'd also rather roll with Ice. Ice has HC experience in HS, he did pretty well too. It is only on an interim basis. This is not permanent. Again my choice is Butch but I'd rather roll with Coley or Ice over Golden.

Golden has plenty of HC experience but he is worth NOTHING.

The bold part makes no sense, if you really "expect nothing" from Al what does it matter?

What you may mean to say is you "expect nothing from Al but prefer his nothing to Ice's nothing." Is that what you really mean?

 

[Consigliere]

first time herald mentioned something like this from a trustee which brings hope.

No name, no source, no credibility.

 

[dfreshhookup]

Even if it's Miami just leaking stuff to the Herald to try and appease the fans, the reality is that they've already accepted that 2015 is a wash. Golden isn't getting fired until a new President and likely new AD are in place.

They probably are hoping to have a decent enough year to keep the 2016 class afloat for the next guy they bring in.

 

[rsa coral gables]

the biggest problem in resolving the golden problem is the lack of a master plan for the position and the program. i believe a trustee said that. i agree. there has been a tremendous lack of planning and vision. this is generally the current AD's fault and Eichort's faults.

 

[The Franchise]

I dont need a high school coach being the HC @ Miami. There is a big step from HS HC and big time college HC.

Being a HS HC is a big step up from Al Golden.

The guy seriously wouldn't last 2 years at BTW or Northwestern

Gus Malzahn was a HS coach in 2005. Hugh Freeze was one in 2004. These coaches come from somewhere, they're not born college HCs. Almost anything is better than Al Golden, I would take a chance with someone else over Al in 2015.

I dont think you understand. They werent born in college, but got a start somewhere. They werent a HS HC then a college HC with only a tiny bit of college experience under them and yes it can be worse. Like how ppl never thought Shannon years would be worse. And once again you need to read carefully. Never said Golden being a failure is theory and never mentioned that Im afraid of change or afraid of giving someone else a chance. Dont put words in my mouth. I said a one year deal is garbage and ice or coley could be worse. If you're gonna fire Golden and get a coach then do it. Dont ***** around with a one year deal.

You're wrong because it doesn't get worse than 6 wins. Once you reach a certain level of failure (I.e., 6 wins), it doesn't matter if you lose more than that. 6 wins should be the same as 0 wins to UM fans.

UM is guaranteed at least 4 wins even without a HC given our talent versus the **** schedule we face. There is zero downside to firing Folden and letting Coley be HC for a 2015.

 

[The Franchise]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

And in all honesty, Fickell wasn't really as bad as his record, other than getting his *** handed to him against the Canes, his losses were by 3 points, 7 points, 3 points, 6 points, 6 points and 7 points. They beat two ranked teams and literally could have been 13-1 had one possession gone differently in their losses. You think he would have been fired had they gone 13-1 or even lets say 10-3?

And here's the reality, even if they somehow fired Golden now and promoted someone like Coley, you know what would change? We'd probably have a new special teams coach and the rest of the status quo. Would it greatly change the season? Nah.

The 2011 OSU team went 6-7, so that entire first paragraph is laughable, borderline delusional. 6-7 teams aren't 1 or 2 posessions away from 13-1.

Your second paragraph is the crux of my argument. Nobody knows how things would change under a new head coach, and if the changes are negligible and the team sucks anyway, o well. The teams going to suck with an absolute certainty next year under Golden. Lifes giving us lemons and theyre squeezing the juice up our ****holes.

They went 6-7 and had 6 losses by 7 points or less. Pretty sure that's one possession a game where they could have won games. It's not like they were getting run over.

Reading comprehension son.

In their 6 wins did they blow everyone out, or were they a few plays from losing even more games? That sort of "we were a few plays away from winning 3 more games" nonsense usually works in the other direction too.

 

[weownfsu]

Of course it's "substantially lower" next season. No ****. I'd bet anything that it's "lower" by the amount of his salary for next season. So in reality, they're in the same position they were before this season.

They aren't firing him because they are very stupid and have a lot of chutzpah. Not because of the buyout, which is either the amount of his contract spread over at minimum the amount of years left on the contract (but likely spread over substantially more years), or a lump sum that is less than the amount left on his contract.

Either one would be manageable if they really cared.

This year is the last year of his original contract, who knows what the stipulations in the contract says about terminating the deal. Could say that if Miami terminated the original contract he gets 100% of the extension years, whereas if he finishes out the original five years they only have to pay out 50% of the remaining years. I wouldn't put it past a good agent to get a deal like that.

Either way, it's going to be costly and they've obviously decided that cashing out this year is less of a financial burden then terminating him after the season.

Some of the stuff you mentioned would offend basic principles of contract law. What I said is accurate.