Trustee: Golden buyout substantially lower after next season

[BucCANEers]

A big-time college football progrum is not the place to be penny-pinching faqqots.

Congrats on saving a few million, you just destroyed our 2016 season.

Do you want a lame duck President in Shalala and probably a lame duck AD in James running a coaching search?

Do you want Al Golden coaching in 2015?

If you're smart, you find an instant upgrade who will take the job on a one year "try-out".

Lmfao. You're not that smart are you? 1st you said get butch Davis to try a one year deal now you're talking abiut finding a coach to do a one year try out. Lmfao. Some clueless fans

I am describing the same thing (one year deal aka "try-out", just a term) because our school created the situation we're in right now and I'm attempting to fix it. Then we have potatoes like you, who supported Al well into 2014 (possibly still have "hope" for 2015). Why does your opinion matter? Who are you?

Here is where we're at today. Our school came up with these ridiculous parameters (the next president has to approve so let's do nothing now) while other schools hire new coaches and presidents (UF) in the same season. People with a pulse (not you potato), understand that Al has been a failure at Miami for some time and this was evident before 2014. Instead of dealing with it then (2013) our admin/president/BOT did nothing and thought Al was great. Then after ALbort had a terrific season in 2014 our admin/president/BOT decided to pass the buck; instead of dealing with it at the proper and necessary point.

I like how I'm the clueless fan. What do you call our admin? Geniuses? You think I would have extended Al? What would you have done? What would you do differently? Who would allow a coach to continue for another season after what Al's accomplished in 2013 (and the 2013 off-season)? Al shouldn't have made it to 2014. We're allowing a an already established failed regime lead in 2015, how does that make sense?

Al would have been gone well before 2014 if anyone with a pulse was in charge of athletics at Miami. These parameters would be a non-issue altogether.

What do you expect out of Al in 2015? The season is dead with Al before it started.

1st off: This is the type of clueless fans I'm talking about, in what part of my post did I ever gave the notion that I support Golden? Read before you post.

2nd: We can argue about what we would've done, then someone can come and boast how he would never have hired him. In reality, lets keep this 100% honest and take emotions out of it (outside looking in) this whole "what would you have done" and "hindsight is 20/20" is complete bull****. The same people that would have fired Golden before the ink was dry on his contract, the same fans jacking it to the fictional possibility of Butch coming back, are the same fans that would have fired him. Same fans that would never have hired ****erson and fired Jimmy Johnson. So lets end this "what would you have done" because it's pointless bull****.

Now on to the one year deal aka "try-out". What ever coach you get to agree to this One year, try out, prove it deal would be complete garbage. Cane fans that talk about Shannon like he is a god compared to Golden, would be talking about Golden like he was a god compared to what ever one year coach you can get. Lets keep it 100% honest. Golden would coach circles around this coach and his staff, because no coach in his right mind, especially in the college ranks, wants a one year deal. Their staff doesn't want 0% job security. With this one year coach you're going from rock bottom to drilling down.

 

[The Franchise]

A big-time college football progrum is not the place to be penny-pinching faqqots.

Congrats on saving a few million, you just destroyed our 2016 season.

Do you want a lame duck President in Shalala and probably a lame duck AD in James running a coaching search?

Do you want Al Golden coaching in 2015?

If you're smart, you find an instant upgrade who will take the job on a one year "try-out".

Again, you're still putting the search for your hypothetical "instant upgrade" in the hands for Shalala/James. The scenario doesn't change.

Make ice or coley (or anyone really) an interim HC.

There's literally nothing to lose. Go 0-12, whatever, 2015 is a wash anyway.

Maybe there's a diamond in the rough. 99.9% chance there's not, but that's still .1% better than the chances with golden.

This.

These faqqots act like firing Folden will cause any sort of actual damage. At UM, there should be no difference between winning 6 games or winning 4 games, which is what UM would win with no coaching staff at all. With our schedule, UM would win at least 4 games if the players coached themselves.

Either 6 wins or 4 wins should be looked at the same way--FAILURE. Once you slip below 10 wins in this division, you have failed. Failure is failure. You shouldn't get any extra credit for failing slightly less.

And does anyone in his right mind think Coley could do any worse than Folden did? Folden put in what was probably one of the top ten worst coaching jobs of all time. Any decent HS coach could have won more than 6 games here last year.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

And in all honesty, Fickell wasn't really as bad as his record, other than getting his *** handed to him against the Canes, his losses were by 3 points, 7 points, 3 points, 6 points, 6 points and 7 points. They beat two ranked teams and literally could have been 13-1 had one possession gone differently in their losses. You think he would have been fired had they gone 13-1 or even lets say 10-3?

And here's the reality, even if they somehow fired Golden now and promoted someone like Coley, you know what would change? We'd probably have a new special teams coach and the rest of the status quo. Would it greatly change the season? Nah.

The 2011 OSU team went 6-7, so that entire first paragraph is laughable, borderline delusional. 6-7 teams aren't 1 or 2 posessions away from 13-1.

Your second paragraph is the crux of my argument. Nobody knows how things would change under a new head coach, and if the changes are negligible and the team sucks anyway, o well. The teams going to suck with an absolute certainty next year under Golden. Lifes giving us lemons and theyre squeezing the juice up our ****holes.

 

[Consigliere]

1st off: This is the type of clueless fans I'm talking about, in what part of my post did I ever gave the notion that I support Golden? Read before you post.

2nd: We can argue about what we would've done, then someone can come and boast how he would never have hired him. In reality, lets keep this 100% honest and take emotions out of it (outside looking in) this whole "what would you have done" and "hindsight is 20/20" is complete bull****. The same people that would have fired Golden before the ink was dry on his contract, the same fans jacking it to the fictional possibility of Butch coming back, are the same fans that would have fired him. Same fans that would never have hired ****erson and fired Jimmy Johnson. So lets end this "what would you have done" because it's pointless bull****.

Now on to the one year deal aka "try-out". What ever coach you get to agree to this One year, try out, prove it deal would be complete garbage. Cane fans that talk about Shannon like he is a god compared to Golden, would be talking about Golden like he was a god compared to what ever one year coach you can get. Lets keep it 100% honest. Golden would coach circles around this coach and his staff, because no coach in his right mind, especially in the college ranks, wants a one year deal. Their staff doesn't want 0% job security. With this one year coach you're going from rock bottom to drilling down.

I'm going to cut the name calling out, if you respond directly and answer the questions.

First, how are you cool with allowing Golden another season then? Do you expect a difference in 2015? I've never seen a coach, who all indications will be fired at the end of the 2015 season, be allowed to coach for another season (regardless of performance). It seems that his fate has been determined prior to stepping on the field in 2015. What kind of message does this send? If this strategy (wait for the new president) is carried out, how is this beneficial? What good does it do us allowing him to coach in 2015?

Second, I never claimed I wouldn't have hired him. I never said that, I thought it was a decent hire (I never brought up his hiring in my last post). With that said, I was against the unnecessary extension and voiced it at the time. That isn't hindsight, it was common sense. There was no reason to extend a coach during a 6-6 season. Also, after VT and Duke (2013) then the UL (bowl game) and the PSU debacle, why was he given a chance in 2014? Total Wins? I don't see how he earned a 4th season. We know who Al was at this point, we know he rolls with the status quo (i.e. his staff). Why are we even in this situation today?

Not sure who ****erson is, did you mean Erickson? Not sure how Jimmy matters here. I'm not a fan that voiced my opinion then but for different reasons. This isn't relevant either. The issue is Golden now. This isn't pointless because we can actually implement a strategy that makes sense instead of wasting the 2015 season.

Third, why can't Butch come back? He was cleared by the NCAA. He is available. He clearly wants to be here (as I mentioned in my previous post). If you're looking for an immediate upgrade, you have one. If Butch wants the opportunity, this may be his last chance.

Finally, since our school is not prepared to replace Golden, why not send out feelers to Butch? Here is what the BOT should do...

"Hey Butch, here is the deal. We have a new president coming in. We know Golden is not the answer. Would you be interested in taking the gig under these conditions? If you do a good job, we will back you with the next president."

I think there is one coach (Butch) who would take it on a one year gig. I also think he would pillage Golden's staff (Ice, KB, Coley, Scott and Hurlie) and take who he wants. Then he would assemble other coaches. This is one of Butch's best skills (assembling a staff). How could this be worse than Golden and his crew?

Where is the harm in doing this? Just because it hasn't been done, where is the harm in doing it? The season is already dead before it started. We're at the rock bottom with Golden, we just went 6-7. He regressed since his first year. How much lower can it get?

I would take Ice or Coley over Golden too. I'm sure they would take the gig. It couldn't be worse either. The season is a failure before it begins with Al.

Side note: I don't think I brought up Shannon or compared him to Golden, so I don't understand the point.

 

[Consigliere]

Do you want a lame duck President in Shalala and probably a lame duck AD in James running a coaching search?

Do you want Al Golden coaching in 2015?

If you're smart, you find an instant upgrade who will take the job on a one year "try-out".

Again, you're still putting the search for your hypothetical "instant upgrade" in the hands for Shalala/James. The scenario doesn't change.

Make ice or coley (or anyone really) an interim HC.

There's literally nothing to lose. Go 0-12, whatever, 2015 is a wash anyway.

Maybe there's a diamond in the rough. 99.9% chance there's not, but that's still .1% better than the chances with golden.

This.

These faqqots act like firing Folden will cause any sort of actual damage. At UM, there should be no difference between winning 6 games or winning 4 games, which is what UM would win with no coaching staff at all. With our schedule, UM would win at least 4 games if the players coached themselves.

Either 6 wins or 4 wins should be looked at the same way--FAILURE. Once you slip below 10 wins in this division, you have failed. Failure is failure. You shouldn't get any extra credit for failing slightly less.

And does anyone in his right mind think Coley could do any worse than Folden did? Folden put in what was probably one of the top ten worst coaching jobs of all time. Any decent HS coach could have won more than 6 games here last year.

Correct!

This 2015 season is a failure before it begins with Golden. Hire someone interim or temporary or on a one year basis and let's try something new.

 

[The Franchise]

Why would Butch Davis need a tryout? He already tried out from 95 to 00.

Since he's dying to get back to UM, you hold the cards. You give him a 4 year contract with a very favorable buyout, and a very onerous penalty if he tries to leave early. Then, you renegotiate if he does a great job. All this stuff is too easy.

If we believe Butch, he was willing to take a pretty onerous buyout/early leave penalty ratio in his last UM deal when he held all the cards. He just wasn't willing to do an 80/20 deal that Dee proposed with the 80% being the penalty for him leaving early, and the 20% being the buyout if they fired him.

 

[Consigliere]

Why would Butch Davis need a tryout? He already tried out from 95 to 00.

Since he's dying to get back to UM, you hold the cards. You give him a 4 year contract with a very favorable buyout, and a very onerous penalty if he tries to leave early. Then, you renegotiate if he does a great job. All this stuff is too easy.

If we believe Butch, he was willing to take a pretty onerous buyout/early leave penalty ratio in his last UM deal when he held all the cards. He just wasn't willing to do an 80/20 deal that Dee proposed with the 80% being the penalty for him leaving early, and the 20% being the buyout if they fired him.

He doesn't need a try-out. I was only calling it that because of the stupid strategy our school has chosen. Our simp fans can't see that the 2015 season is a failure before it started. Why not roll with something else.

 

[MIATL]

A substantially lower buyout means there may actually be an interest in paying the amount required to get a quality coach to take the gig, if Golden is fired next year.

Maybe there is hope for a an actual plan being in place???

Guys like Mark Dantonio or Dan Mullen are not taking the Miami job for less than $3.5MM ... And likely would require $4MM to come to UM, since their current locations are not interested in them leaving.

If the buyout savings allow for an extra $1MM per year to the next coach, and UM actually pays the next coach that money, then it's worth it.

We just have to make the right hire. A guy with a big enough name will be able to recruit, and keep the "Swag 16" class, IMO.

 

[Consigliere]

A substantially lower buyout means there may actually be an interest in paying the amount required to get a quality coach to take the gig, if Golden is fired next year.

How much money are we going to lose in donations, non-renewals season tickets, general ticket sales, concessions and merchandise due to Golden coaching in 2015?

How is this seriously a money issue?

- We have the windfall from Maryland (Leaving the Conference)
- We have more money from the ACC TV contract (signed after Golden's extension),
- We have more money from Adidas

How is this a money issue?

 

[OrangetieFatface]

A substantially lower buyout means there may actually be an interest in paying the amount required to get a quality coach to take the gig, if Golden is fired next year.

Maybe there is hope for a an actual plan being in place???

Guys like Mark Dantonio or Dan Mullen are not taking the Miami job for less than $3.5MM ... And likely would require $4MM to come to UM, since their current locations are not interested in them leaving.

If the buyout savings allow for an extra $1MM per year to the next coach, and UM actually pays the next coach that money, then it's worth it.

The elusive "CFB coaching salary" argument.

There were 25 coaches who earned $3M+ last year. By contrast there were 55 coaches who earned less than $1M last year.

There were 41 coaches who earned more than Alfred Golden. Gary Andersen(Wisconsin, #41) outearned your guy by about 35k.

There were 86 coaches who made less than your guy including Brian Kelly, David Cutcliffe, David Shaw and Mark Helfrich.

These $ amounts are negligible to these Schools. They're swimming in cash. A million gets tossed around by these people with little thought. There is no mythical pyramid of salary hierarchy until you get to the very top(Saban, Harbaugh). They can afford to hire almost anyone right now.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

 

[MIATL]

A substantially lower buyout means there may actually be an interest in paying the amount required to get a quality coach to take the gig, if Golden is fired next year.

How much money are we going to lose in donations, non-renewals season tickets, general ticket sales, concessions and merchandise due to Golden coaching in 2015?

How is this seriously a money issue?

- We have the windfall from Maryland (Leaving the Conference)
- We have more money from the ACC TV contract (signed after Golden's extension),
- We have more money from Adidas

How is this a money issue?

It's not an "income" issue ... It's an "expense" issue.

I don't know enough about the numbers to fully debate this. But someone in the administration must have run the numbers, and justified keeping Golden another year is the better financial decision.

You'll get no argument from me that keeping Golden probably results in fewer ticket sales, donations, concessions, and merchandise ... But those projected losses must be less than the buyout differential for waiting another season.

 

[BucCANEers]

1st off: This is the type of clueless fans I'm talking about, in what part of my post did I ever gave the notion that I support Golden? Read before you post.

2nd: We can argue about what we would've done, then someone can come and boast how he would never have hired him. In reality, lets keep this 100% honest and take emotions out of it (outside looking in) this whole "what would you have done" and "hindsight is 20/20" is complete bull****. The same people that would have fired Golden before the ink was dry on his contract, the same fans jacking it to the fictional possibility of Butch coming back, are the same fans that would have fired him. Same fans that would never have hired ****erson and fired Jimmy Johnson. So lets end this "what would you have done" because it's pointless bull****.

Now on to the one year deal aka "try-out". What ever coach you get to agree to this One year, try out, prove it deal would be complete garbage. Cane fans that talk about Shannon like he is a god compared to Golden, would be talking about Golden like he was a god compared to what ever one year coach you can get. Lets keep it 100% honest. Golden would coach circles around this coach and his staff, because no coach in his right mind, especially in the college ranks, wants a one year deal. Their staff doesn't want 0% job security. With this one year coach you're going from rock bottom to drilling down.

I'm going to cut the name calling out, if you respond directly and answer the questions.

First, how are you cool with allowing Golden another season then? Do you expect a difference in 2015? I've never seen a coach, who all indications will be fired at the end of the 2015 season, be allowed to coach for another season (regardless of performance). It seems that his fate has been determined prior to stepping on the field in 2015. What kind of message does this send? If this strategy (wait for the new president) is carried out, how is this beneficial? What good does it do us allowing him to coach in 2015?

Second, I never claimed I wouldn't have hired him. I never said that, I thought it was a decent hire (I never brought up his hiring in my last post). With that said, I was against the unnecessary extension and voiced it at the time. That isn't hindsight, it was common sense. There was no reason to extend a coach during a 6-6 season. Also, after VT and Duke (2013) then the UL (bowl game) and the PSU debacle, why was he given a chance in 2014? Total Wins? I don't see how he earned a 4th season. We know who Al was at this point, we know he rolls with the status quo (i.e. his staff). Why are we even in this situation today?

Not sure who ****erson is, did you mean Erickson? Not sure how Jimmy matters here. I'm not a fan that voiced my opinion then but for different reasons. This isn't relevant either. The issue is Golden now. This isn't pointless because we can actually implement a strategy that makes sense instead of wasting the 2015 season.

Third, why can't Butch come back? He was cleared by the NCAA. He is available. He clearly wants to be here (as I mentioned in my previous post). If you're looking for an immediate upgrade, you have one. If Butch wants the opportunity, this may be his last chance.

Finally, since our school is not prepared to replace Golden, why not send out feelers to Butch? Here is what the BOT should do...

"Hey Butch, here is the deal. We have a new president coming in. We know Golden is not the answer. Would you be interested in taking the gig under these conditions? If you do a good job, we will back you with the next president."

I think there is one coach (Butch) who would take it on a one year gig. I also think he would pillage Golden's staff (Ice, KB, Coley, Scott and Hurlie) and take who he wants. Then he would assemble other coaches. This is one of Butch's best skills (assembling a staff). How could this be worse than Golden and his crew?

Where is the harm in doing this? Just because it hasn't been done, where is the harm in doing it? The season is already dead before it started. We're at the rock bottom with Golden, we just went 6-7. He regressed since his first year. How much lower can it get?

I would take Ice or Coley over Golden too. I'm sure they would take the gig. It couldn't be worse either. The season is a failure before it begins with Al.

Side note: I don't think I brought up Shannon or compared him to Golden, so I don't understand the point.

Im not cool with Golden, but I know the point of firing is long past. Having Coley or even that high school coach, Ice running Miami would probably be worse. All I see is far worse then good. Interm is out, no head coaching experience in any of them. Hiring somebody from the outside is also out because what staff would he bring under a one year contract.

Im not saying you, but in general alot of Cane fans on this board.

He was given an extension because of rumors that other programs were after Golden. He was probably given more time because of the contract extension, plus the "cloud" and how he was able to build Temple. Basically Miami has been on defense and fighting afraid....no agression. "). Why are we even in this situation today?" Like Someone brought it up. Miami has never wanted to become a football program. The lucky low budget coaches finally caught up to Miami.

Unless Im wrong (could be), but I've heard the higher ups in Miami do not like Butch after he dipped. Also, what I said, Miami is on defence, playing with no agression. Davis was cleared but his name is still tainted.
And If Miami hires Butch then fine, but not and it wont be a one year deal. If you hire him, go all in, give him a contract. Better yet want to have a "prove it" deal then a 3 year deal. A staff wants job secruity.

And I brought up Shannon in kinda of a metaphore, horrible (Shannon)--> horrific (Golden)--> **** (one year coach)

Edit: I will say this if keeping Golden brings in the guy I always wanted, Charlie Strong the Im up for another season of Golden. because if Strong has another decent year Texas isnt gonna wait. but this is also probably fictional dreaming

 

[Consigliere]

It's not an "income" issue ... It's an "expense" issue.

I don't know enough about the numbers to fully debate this. But someone in the administration must have run the numbers, and justified keeping Golden another year is the better financial decision.

You'll get no argument from me that keeping Golden probably results in fewer ticket sales, donations, concessions, and merchandise ... But those projected losses must be less than the buyout differential for waiting another season.

I think you give our admin too much credit. Forward thinking is not something their known for.

 

[MIA42178]

Why would Butch Davis need a tryout? He already tried out from 95 to 00.

Since he's dying to get back to UM, you hold the cards. You give him a 4 year contract with a very favorable buyout, and a very onerous penalty if he tries to leave early. Then, you renegotiate if he does a great job. All this stuff is too easy.

If we believe Butch, he was willing to take a pretty onerous buyout/early leave penalty ratio in his last UM deal when he held all the cards. He just wasn't willing to do an 80/20 deal that Dee proposed with the 80% being the penalty for him leaving early, and the 20% being the buyout if they fired him.

Disagree on contract. I give Butch the same contracts Petrino and Stoops have.
No buyout either way. Pay him $3M and he's an at will employee who can be fired or walk with or without cause.
After a year or two, new prez can renegotiate but can fire him w no penalty if prez we want (which wouldn't happen)
The whole idea of paying someone not to coach bc they suck at their job is mindblowing

 

[Miami Nights]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

The difference is that Ohio State had pretty much no other choice. Sweatervest quit in June, what are they supposed to do with having to fill a vacancy 60 or so days before the season started?

They were 12-1, were #1 in the country at one point in 2010. Fickell had been under Tressell for a decade, why wouldn't they think he was a good candidate for the job?

Ohio State was lucky enough that they had a mediocre record and Meyer was sitting on the shelf waiting for the job to open up on his terms.

And in all honesty, Fickell wasn't really as bad as his record, other than getting his *** handed to him against the Canes, his losses were by 3 points, 7 points, 3 points, 6 points, 6 points and 7 points. They beat two ranked teams and literally could have been 13-1 had one possession gone differently in their losses. You think he would have been fired had they gone 13-1 or even lets say 10-3?

And here's the reality, even if they somehow fired Golden now and promoted someone like Coley, you know what would change? We'd probably have a new special teams coach and the rest of the status quo. Would it greatly change the season? Nah.

Sorry but ficklel sucked. He lost to golden for starters. Golden is one of the worse coaches in the ncaa.

 

[Consigliere]

Im not cool with Golden, but I know the point of firing is long past. Having Coley or even that high school coach, Ice running Miami would probably be worse. All I see is far worse then good. Interm is out, no head coaching experience in any of them. Hiring somebody from the outside is also out because what staff would he bring under a one year contract.

Im not saying you, but in general alot of Cane fans on this board. He was given an extension because of rumors that other programs were after Golden. He was probably given more time because of the contract extension, plus the "cloud" and his how he was able to build Temple. Basically Miami has been on defense and fighting afraid....no agression. "). Why are we even in this situation today?" Like Someone brought it up. Miami has never wanted to become a football program. The lucky low budget coaches finally caught up to Miami.

Unless Im wrong (could be), but I've heard the higher ups in Miami do not like Butch after he dipped. Also, what I said, Miami is on defence, playing with no agression. Davis was cleared but his name is still tainted.
And If Miami hires Butch then fine, but not and it wont be a one year deal. If you hire him, go all in, give him a contract. Better yet want to have a "prove it" deal then a 3 year deal. A staff wants job secruity.

And I brought up Shannon in kinda of a metaphore, horrible (Shannon)--> horrific (Golden)--> **** (one year coach)

But what do you expect with Golden in 2015? How could Butch or Coley or Ice be any worse? My point is 2015 is going to be a failure, we know this based on Al's track record. Al's most TALENTED team led to his worst record at Miami. What do you honestly expect from Al in 2015?

Butch has HC experience and he has done incredibly well at it. Al has HC experience and he is a POS. HC experience can go either way.

Here is your issue, you need to let go of the 2015 season. It is going to be a disaster with Golden. That is why I'm willing to take a chance on someone else because I'm not cool with just throwing away the season with ALbort. It makes no sense. Let's at least attempt to win in 2015. We can't do that with Al.

As for the extension, quit defending it. It made no sense. You don't extend sub-par coaches and sub-par performances (we should have learned this with RS or Coker on the 2nd extension). If someone wanted Al, and he wanted to go, great please leave.

You extend coaches like Coach L. You succeed, you win, you get an extension and more job security. That is how it works. First comes success!

What hire ups don't like Butch?

Donna was named president in 2001 (June). Butch left after the 2000 season. Paul Dee is dead. Who is hurt? Butch left and took a pro-gig. What is wrong with that? Jimmy took a pro-gig, Howard took a pro-gig, Erickson took a pro-gig. Why is it wrong to go to the Pros? This shouldn't leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. All of the sudden Donna cares about athletics (especially someone with REAL success), I don't think so.

If you think Butch's name is tainted (even though cleared); what do people think of ALbort? They think he is a loser and that is based on his track record. That is a real stinky taint. Too me that is much worse than being a cheater.

I want to give Butch a real deal. I want to run with Butch (or someone else) over Golden NOW.

Finally job security. How good is Al's staff? What security do they have? You're concerned with non-issues. You need to let go of 2015 with AL as HC. This is going to be a disaster. If you bring in Butch, he will get a good staff too. I guarantee it, he has done it his whole life.

 

[The Franchise]

Why would Butch Davis need a tryout? He already tried out from 95 to 00.

Since he's dying to get back to UM, you hold the cards. You give him a 4 year contract with a very favorable buyout, and a very onerous penalty if he tries to leave early. Then, you renegotiate if he does a great job. All this stuff is too easy.

If we believe Butch, he was willing to take a pretty onerous buyout/early leave penalty ratio in his last UM deal when he held all the cards. He just wasn't willing to do an 80/20 deal that Dee proposed with the 80% being the penalty for him leaving early, and the 20% being the buyout if they fired him.

Disagree on contract. I give Butch the same contracts Petrino and Stoops have.
No buyout either way. Pay him $3M and he's an at will employee who can be fired or walk with or without cause.
After a year or two, new prez can renegotiate but can fire him w no penalty if prez we want (which wouldn't happen)
The whole idea of paying someone not to coach bc they suck at their job is mindblowing

Jurich gave Petrino a contract that lets him leave whenever he wants with no penalty? I would have thought he would have to pay a huge penalty for leaving early given his peripatetic past. That's one of those things I'd have to see to believe.

 

[BucCANEers]

Im not cool with Golden, but I know the point of firing is long past. Having Coley or even that high school coach, Ice running Miami would probably be worse. All I see is far worse then good. Interm is out, no head coaching experience in any of them. Hiring somebody from the outside is also out because what staff would he bring under a one year contract.

Im not saying you, but in general alot of Cane fans on this board. He was given an extension because of rumors that other programs were after Golden. He was probably given more time because of the contract extension, plus the "cloud" and his how he was able to build Temple. Basically Miami has been on defense and fighting afraid....no agression. "). Why are we even in this situation today?" Like Someone brought it up. Miami has never wanted to become a football program. The lucky low budget coaches finally caught up to Miami.

Unless Im wrong (could be), but I've heard the higher ups in Miami do not like Butch after he dipped. Also, what I said, Miami is on defence, playing with no agression. Davis was cleared but his name is still tainted.
And If Miami hires Butch then fine, but not and it wont be a one year deal. If you hire him, go all in, give him a contract. Better yet want to have a "prove it" deal then a 3 year deal. A staff wants job secruity.

And I brought up Shannon in kinda of a metaphore, horrible (Shannon)--> horrific (Golden)--> **** (one year coach)

But what do you expect with Golden in 2015? How could Butch or Coley or Ice be any worse? My point is 2015 is going to be a failure, we know this based on Al's track record. Al's most TALENTED team led to his worst record at Miami. What do you honestly expect from Al in 2015?

Butch has HC experience and he has done incredibly well at it. Al has HC experience and he is a POS. HC experience can go either way.

Here is your issue, you need to let go of the 2015 season. It is going to be a disaster with Golden. That is why I'm willing to take a chance on someone else because I'm not cool with just throwing away the season with ALbort. It makes no sense. Let's at least attempt to win in 2015. We can't do that with Al.

As for the extension, quit defending it. It made no sense. You don't extend sub-par coaches and sub-par performances (we should have learned this with RS or Coker on the 2nd extension). If someone wanted Al, and he wanted to go, great please leave.

You extend coaches like Coach L. You succeed, you win, you get an extension and more job security. That is how it works. First comes success!

What hire ups don't like Butch?

Donna was named president in 2001 (June). Butch left after the 2000 season. Paul Dee is dead. Who is hurt? Butch left and took a pro-gig. What is wrong with that? Jimmy took a pro-gig, Howard took a pro-gig, Erickson took a pro-gig. Why is it wrong to go to the Pros? This shouldn't leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. All of the sudden Donna cares about athletics (especially someone with REAL success), I don't think so.

If you think Butch's name is tainted (even though cleared); what do people think of ALbort? They think he is a loser and that is based on his track record. That is a real stinky taint. Too me that is much worse than being a cheater.

I want to give Butch a real deal. I want to run with Butch (or someone else) over Golden NOW.

Finally job security. How good is Al's staff? What security do they have? You're concerned with non-issues. You need to let go of 2015 with AL as HC. This is going to be a disaster. If you bring in Butch, he will get a good staff too. I guarantee it, he has done it his whole life.

I never said Butch would be worse. I said Ice and coley could be worse. Dont put words in my mouth. And you need to read carefully. Im speaking in the minds of Miami and how they've acted over the years. And yes a coach with multiple years left on his contract is worth more than a one year coach. Coaches do not want to work under somebody that has a one year deal. If you want Butch Davis you give him multple years, not a slap in the face one year deal. And once again no decent staff would work for a guy under one year contract

 

[MIATL]

Why would Butch Davis need a tryout? He already tried out from 95 to 00.

Since he's dying to get back to UM, you hold the cards. You give him a 4 year contract with a very favorable buyout, and a very onerous penalty if he tries to leave early. Then, you renegotiate if he does a great job. All this stuff is too easy.

If we believe Butch, he was willing to take a pretty onerous buyout/early leave penalty ratio in his last UM deal when he held all the cards. He just wasn't willing to do an 80/20 deal that Dee proposed with the 80% being the penalty for him leaving early, and the 20% being the buyout if they fired him.

Disagree on contract. I give Butch the same contracts Petrino and Stoops have.
No buyout either way. Pay him $3M and he's an at will employee who can be fired or walk with or without cause.
After a year or two, new prez can renegotiate but can fire him w no penalty if prez we want (which wouldn't happen)
The whole idea of paying someone not to coach bc they suck at their job is mindblowing

Jurich gave Petrino a contract that lets him leave whenever he wants with no penalty? I would have thought he would have to pay a huge penalty for leaving early given his peripatetic past. That's one of those things I'd have to see to believe.

Petrino has a pretty sizable buyout, if he leaves Louisville.

It's $10MM

http://espn.go.com/college-football...e-cardinals-hire-bobby-petrino-football-coach

 

[Consigliere]

I never said Butch would be worse. I said Ice and coley could be worse. Dont put words in my mouth. And you need to read carefully. Im speaking in the minds of Miami and how they've acted over the years. And yes a coach with multiple years left on his contract is worth more than a one year coach. Coaches do not want to work under somebody that has a one year deal. If you want Butch Davis you give him multple years, not a slap in the face one year deal. And once again no decent staff would work for a guy under one year contract

Relax. Ice or Coley would be worse? How do you know? What do you expect from Al in 2015? Seriously, what do you expect? Please answer this question.

I would give Butch a multiple year deal, I'm not against it. It is Miami who came up with this genius strategy to let the new president continue to micromanage the athletic department. That is why I suggested this one year deal because it fits their bonehead strategy. It also isn't a one year deal, it just has a small buyout. It would be a normal deal but it gives our school the flexibility to implement their genius strategy.

Assistant coaches generally only get ONE YEAR deals. There is no real security for assistant coaches. This is the norm. Again your fixated on the irrelevant. The irrelevant is worrying about who the next coach would assemble. The relevant is fixing the major issue (ALbort).