Trustee: Golden buyout substantially lower after next season

[Consigliere]

Butch Davis? You don't think he would take the gig on a one year basis?

The idea of Shalala hiring Butch Davis is more insane than the idea of her firing Golden on her way out. You couldn't create a more unrealistic scenario.

Why?

Then why does she care? She is on the way out. If she doesn't care (which she clearly doesn't based on her track record) then why would she care if Butch came back?

Why haven't you answered my question above either?

She's going to hire a guy who bailed on the University right as she came into power and a guy who's name has been tied to a massive academic scandal and was fired in disgrace at his last gig for the sake of the football program?

Sounds exactly like Shalala.

Talk about bailing, everyone here freely admits that The Troll has already bailed on her job.

Actually, it would have been better if she had bailed before she took money from Shapiro, or gave Alice Frolden an extension, or before her drowning the university in health care debt, or before handing my son his diploma (should burn that picture).

All of the sudden the troll cares about athletics, I think not. She doesn't care at all. She also has no real relationship with Butch either.

 

[jed2410]

Not even Butch would take the job on a one year basis. You're stepping into another coaches roster, handcuffed in your ability to hire quality assistants because they also know that you are on a 1 year tryout. Recruiting throughout the season would be tough with every other coach telling the kids "He's on a 1 yr deal." There's nowhere near enough positive to step into a situation like that. Only coach that would do that literally has no other career prospects. No coaching jobs or TV jobs. Offering a deal like that is basically a slap in the face to a coach, and why would any assistants leave where they are now to follow him?

 

[DCF in LA]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly.


SOTA was right, we are in a no-win sitch. Very few (read: NONE) quality corches would take a job with a lame-duck president and AD behind him. Then you add on "the cloud" bull**** that Golden has been spewing (even if it's lies, some people believe it), how South Florida high school coaches have taken a dim view of UM in recent years, and that we generally try to hire on the cheap, and you have a toxic dump of a program that will require the next coach to be an OSHA scientist to clean up.

Resign yourselves to the season that is to come, and hope that the next president knows and cares more about athletics than Shalala. That's the only hope left.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly.


SOTA was right, we are in a no-win sitch. Very few (read: NONE) quality corches would take a job with a lame-duck president and AD behind him. Then you add on "the cloud" bull**** that Golden has been spewing (even if it's lies, some people believe it), how South Florida high school coaches have taken a dim view of UM in recent years, and that we generally try to hire on the cheap, and you have a toxic dump of a program that will require the next coach to be an OSHA scientist to clean up.

Resign yourselves to the season that is to come, and hope that the next president knows and cares more about athletics than Shalala. That's the only hope left.

All of this...with one thing to add...pray Golden doesn't squeak out 8 wins next year or he'll get even more time.

 

[Consigliere]

Not even Butch would take the job on a one year basis. You're stepping into another coaches roster, handcuffed in your ability to hire quality assistants because they also know that you are on a 1 year tryout. Recruiting throughout the season would be tough with every other coach telling the kids "He's on a 1 yr deal." There's nowhere near enough positive to step into a situation like that. Only coach that would do that literally has no other career prospects. No coaching jobs or TV jobs. Offering a deal like that is basically a slap in the face to a coach, and why would any assistants leave where they are now to follow him?

So let me get this straight. The man has been campaigning endlessly (radio, newspaper and tv) to be a part of Miami again. You think he doesn't want to get in door at any cost? The man is dying for the opportunity and this may be it. He is available NOW. It is perferct for everyone.

He is turning 64 in November, this may be his last shot. Do well over the spring, make inroads at the school with the new admin and perform well over the season. This situation may be his only chance. A contract without a buyout might be the best he gets. This is not a normal situation either. Routine, custom and practice don't apply. If BD wants to coach at Miami, here is his chance.

As for recruiting, seriously? Win games and the rest will follow. We have the best recruiting RIGHT NOW in the coastal and we can't sniff the ACCCG. Recruiting isn't the problem or at least it isn't why we're failing now. We're failing because of coaching. I'm not concerned about some kids worried about Butch on a one year gig. Right now we have Golden on an extension and our local kids are going elsewhere. Do you really think Butch on a one year gig matters to these kids. Winning is what matters.

You don't think a coach would touch Al's roster? Seriously?

There are studs all over this roster and a coach wouldn't touch it, seriously?

Kaaya, Coley, Yearby, McDermott, Isadora, Darling, Linder, AQM, C. Thomas, Moton, Kirby, Grace, Bush, Elder, Carter and Burns. This roster can win the Coastal now. These kids are really talented and they could be much better. Look at our kids and what scouts at the senior bowl are saying. This roster has a ton of talent, coaches want our talent (at least in the NFL they do).

How do we even know the potential of the roster? Our teams are underachieving and it's because of Al. This roster could do great things with a decent coach.

As for finding other coaches to surround Butch, I trust Butch to assemble a staff. That isn't a concern, look at his track record.

Or we could have Golden in 2015. This season is dead anyways with Al, how could you not be down for Butch?

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

They should fire he ***git and then sue his *** for putting forth such a pathetic product. That stupid *** binder can be exhibit a. Where in that binder does it say you have to go 6-7 in year 4 at miami in order to achieve greatness?

Has anyone actually seen this binder? For all we know, it could be a copy of "My Pet Goat".

 

[supacane]

They should fire he ***git and then sue his *** for putting forth such a pathetic product. That stupid *** binder can be exhibit a. Where in that binder does it say you have to go 6-7 in year 4 at miami in order to achieve greatness?

Has anyone actually seen this binder? For all we know, it could be a copy of "My Pet Goat".

Its a menu for all the restaurants in Miami and NJ

 

[cane305]

buyout is substantially lower after the 2020 season.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

 

[dfreshhookup]

Nobody in the known universe would take this job, with all the baggage it carries, on a one-year contract. Seriously, people, stop saying it or even thinking it. That's way far removed from reality, like us winning bowl games or beating FSU under the current head corch. It's dumb that this even needs to be said repeatedly. .

Nobody? As in not a single person?

Not coley, ice or NoD? Sure, there's a 99.9% chance they'd fail, but that's 0.1% higher than golden, and for half price most likely.

We all scoffed at Luke Fickell. Seems like they had a plan all along.

I get playing the market, but why completely scrap a year when there's other options? Seems like these retards actually believe in Al, which is the real problem.

The difference is that Ohio State had pretty much no other choice. Sweatervest quit in June, what are they supposed to do with having to fill a vacancy 60 or so days before the season started?

They were 12-1, were #1 in the country at one point in 2010. Fickell had been under Tressell for a decade, why wouldn't they think he was a good candidate for the job?

Ohio State was lucky enough that they had a mediocre record and Meyer was sitting on the shelf waiting for the job to open up on his terms.

And in all honesty, Fickell wasn't really as bad as his record, other than getting his *** handed to him against the Canes, his losses were by 3 points, 7 points, 3 points, 6 points, 6 points and 7 points. They beat two ranked teams and literally could have been 13-1 had one possession gone differently in their losses. You think he would have been fired had they gone 13-1 or even lets say 10-3?

And here's the reality, even if they somehow fired Golden now and promoted someone like Coley, you know what would change? We'd probably have a new special teams coach and the rest of the status quo. Would it greatly change the season? Nah.

 

[weownfsu]

Of course it's "substantially lower" next season. No ****. I'd bet anything that it's "lower" by the amount of his salary for next season. So in reality, they're in the same position they were before this season.

They aren't firing him because they are very stupid and have a lot of chutzpah. Not because of the buyout, which is either the amount of his contract spread over at minimum the amount of years left on the contract (but likely spread over substantially more years), or a lump sum that is less than the amount left on his contract.

Either one would be manageable if they really cared.

 

[BucCANEers]

A big-time college football progrum is not the place to be penny-pinching faqqots.

Congrats on saving a few million, you just destroyed our 2016 season.

Do you want a lame duck President in Shalala and probably a lame duck AD in James running a coaching search?

Do you want Al Golden coaching in 2015?

If you're smart, you find an instant upgrade who will take the job on a one year "try-out".

Lmfao. You're not that smart are you? 1st you said get butch Davis to try a one year deal now you're talking abiut finding a coach to do a one year try out. Lmfao. Some clueless fans

 

[dfreshhookup]

Of course it's "substantially lower" next season. No ****. I'd bet anything that it's "lower" by the amount of his salary for next season. So in reality, they're in the same position they were before this season.

They aren't firing him because they are very stupid and have a lot of chutzpah. Not because of the buyout, which is either the amount of his contract spread over at minimum the amount of years left on the contract (but likely spread over substantially more years), or a lump sum that is less than the amount left on his contract.

Either one would be manageable if they really cared.

This year is the last year of his original contract, who knows what the stipulations in the contract says about terminating the deal. Could say that if Miami terminated the original contract he gets 100% of the extension years, whereas if he finishes out the original five years they only have to pay out 50% of the remaining years. I wouldn't put it past a good agent to get a deal like that.

Either way, it's going to be costly and they've obviously decided that cashing out this year is less of a financial burden then terminating him after the season.

 

[MIA42178]

To be honest we're in a no win situation. Dfreshhookup is right.

At this point, it's best to avoid having Dorna and Fake involved; however, I would like to see new Prez walk in in June and fire Blake James immediately. Also, golden needs to be fired immediately after FSU beats his *** in Tallahassee for fifth year in a row.

In the meantime, we should make things as uncomfortable as possible for Al,Fake, and Dorna

 

[Consigliere]

A big-time college football progrum is not the place to be penny-pinching faqqots.

Congrats on saving a few million, you just destroyed our 2016 season.

Do you want a lame duck President in Shalala and probably a lame duck AD in James running a coaching search?

Do you want Al Golden coaching in 2015?

If you're smart, you find an instant upgrade who will take the job on a one year "try-out".

Lmfao. You're not that smart are you? 1st you said get butch Davis to try a one year deal now you're talking abiut finding a coach to do a one year try out. Lmfao. Some clueless fans

I am describing the same thing (one year deal aka "try-out", just a term) because our school created the situation we're in right now and I'm attempting to fix it. Then we have potatoes like you, who supported Al well into 2014 (possibly still have "hope" for 2015). Why does your opinion matter? Who are you?

Here is where we're at today. Our school came up with these ridiculous parameters (the next president has to approve so let's do nothing now) while other schools hire new coaches and presidents (UF) in the same season. People with a pulse (not you potato), understand that Al has been a failure at Miami for some time and this was evident before 2014. Instead of dealing with it then (2013) our admin/president/BOT did nothing and thought Al was great. Then after ALbort had a terrific season in 2014 our admin/president/BOT decided to pass the buck; instead of dealing with it at the proper and necessary point.

I like how I'm the clueless fan. What do you call our admin? Geniuses? You think I would have extended Al? What would you have done? What would you do differently? Who would allow a coach to continue for another season after what Al's accomplished in 2013 (and the 2013 off-season)? Al shouldn't have made it to 2014. We're allowing a an already established failed regime lead in 2015, how does that make sense?

Al would have been gone well before 2014 if anyone with a pulse was in charge of athletics at Miami. These parameters would be a non-issue altogether.

What do you expect out of Al in 2015? The season is dead with Al before it started.

 

[TroubleChunks]

Of course it's "substantially lower" next season. No ****. I'd bet anything that it's "lower" by the amount of his salary for next season. So in reality, they're in the same position they were before this season.

They aren't firing him because they are very stupid and have a lot of chutzpah. Not because of the buyout, which is either the amount of his contract spread over at minimum the amount of years left on the contract (but likely spread over substantially more years), or a lump sum that is less than the amount left on his contract.

Either one would be manageable if they really cared.

This year is the last year of his original contract, who knows what the stipulations in the contract says about terminating the deal. Could say that if Miami terminated the original contract he gets 100% of the extension years, whereas if he finishes out the original five years they only have to pay out 50% of the remaining years. I wouldn't put it past a good agent to get a deal like that.

Either way, it's going to be costly and they've obviously decided that cashing out this year is less of a financial burden then terminating him after the season.

"Who knows?" is exactly right. If we were in the group of people who actually know what's on the pages of that contract, we wouldn't be busy talking to some fans on the Internet; we'd be lobbying other UM insiders to make a change, or we'd be bitterly biding our time until the number came down enough to make firing Al look reasonably inexpensive to other insiders.

But even if the buyout number is disproportionately high right now, I think it's probably a bad move to keep Golden until the end of 2015. The 2016 recruiting class, as it stands today, is very good. If Al is fired in early December, a lot of those players may flee, unless the replacement is solid gold -- and UM's track record is not comforting for those of us hoping for a solid gold hire.

It's one thing to trade away ONE year of crap football to save some money, but two consecutive down years in recruiting could give Miami two or three years of crap football.

And God help us all if they're holding out until the end of calendar year 2015.

Fire him now, try to salvage as much as possible of this year, and give the new guy a full year to rebuild connections with the class of 2016.

 

[cane since birth]

Some people going full ****** here

 

[Consigliere]

Some people going full ****** here

I guess I'm that person. You can respond to me instead of being non-confrontational.

Okay, what would you do different? I don't see how allowing Al another season helps anything.

 

[Consigliere]

Fire him now, try to salvage as much as possible of this year, and give the new guy a full year to rebuild connections with the class of 2016.

This is exactly my thought process. I don't understand what people expect in 2015 with Al Golden as the season is "over" before it started.

 

[The Franchise]

LULZ at these trust fund faqqots and their spin game. Define "substantially lower". $2.5M is substantial to anyone. So if his buyout decreases by one year of his salary that they'll pay him after he should have been fired, then there's the "substantially lower" number.

Of course, if they keep the losing maggot for a few more years the buyout will be even more substantially lower.

What a total disgrace UM has become. Run by inept corporate weasels who would never run the companies their dads gave them the way they run UM.