Trojan War: 30/30 Film

[CaneTheGaytors]

Very good documentary.

I see a lot of similarities between USCw and us. They have always reminded me of the U in some ways.

If we get the right coach in here (Butch Davis), we will finally be back. Same thing happened at SC from 83-2000 and then they hired Pete Carroll. The rest is history.

Right now SC is going through a bad stretch again. It all goes back to coaching. Look at Taint, Michigan, Bama, Oregon as prime examples. Good coaching + elite athletes = Wins.

Carroll had them practicing like the old-school Canes. Their practices were harder than their games. Alfalfa doesn't like to put our kids through that.

He prefers ***** drills and ice cream trucks.

I only hope and pray that we don't have to go that long til we're back.

Envied, feared and hated by many. You know that ****** Emmert is very pleased that both the U and the Trojans are down and irrelevant.

If only we had a BOT, Admin and AD that cared about our athletics. But, we all know they loathe the tradition that UM was built on.

FIRE AL GO!

BRING BACK BUTCH!

 

[Gatorhater]

We are on our 3rd bad coach. They have only had two. Maybe we are closer. They are the one school like us. Small private school in urban area with great recruiting grounds. Big difference is their administration saved their historic stadium; our threw the OB away. One more thing, both schools are ALWAYS target of ncaa for huge penalties. Big state schools hate both.

 

[88]

There was a stigma on these boards not even that long ago that you needed just an adequate coach to win championships at Miami. In this day and age with the complexity of the game you need a great coach to win it all anywhere.

 

[Brandinho]

In this day and age with the complexity of the game you need a great coach to win it all anywhere.

If only a certain BoT and administration would see it that way. Can't think of one off the top of my head though.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

Some of your guys live way out in left field.

 

[caneinpsl]

There was a stigma on these boards not even that long ago that you needed just an adequate coach to win championships at Miami. In this day and age with the complexity of the game you need a great coach to win it all anywhere.

I think most people believe you need a really good coach, but you don't need a great recruiter to win in Coral Gables. We don't need (nor can we afford) a Carroll or a Saban to win. But we keep drawing really short straws from the litter. TBH we haven't had an adequate coach. The guys we have let go have not exactly moved on to decent jobs. And the same will be true for Al. Clearly not adequate. But I agree a decent coach (Tubberville or Richt type guys) probably couldn't win championships. here

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

Some of your guys live way out in left field.

Says the President of the potato club.

Go back to massaging your Dog's Nuts.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

Some of your guys live way out in left field.

Says the President of the potato club.

Go back to massaging your Dog's Nuts.

I know you guys don't like to admit it, but Cane fans as a whole are THE dumbest fans in college sports. You guys trot out some really dumb theories and most assuredly know next to nothing about college football.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Ok, Mr. X's and O's. Thanks for the enlightening lecture.

Now go back to massaging your Dog's Nuts. He's gonna get jealous.

 

[Gatorhater]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

I hate to say this but the one other school the SEC does actually bang hard, is the gators for some reason. I love it for obvious reasons, but still it is odd that rest of SEC and all of Big 10 get hall passes all the time.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

It's because the NCCA elitist hate anything that has to do with the state of Florida. Unless we are playing FSU or UF, then we are hated more than they are.

 

[Mira60]

Botch not coming back !

Think of someone else.

Go Canes

 

[AUcane]

Very good documentary.

I see a lot of similarities between USCw and us. They have always reminded me of the U in some ways.

If we get the right coach in here (Butch Davis), we will finally be back. Same thing happened at SC from 83-2000 and then they hired Pete Carroll. The rest is history.

Right now SC is going through a bad stretch again. It all goes back to coaching. Look at Taint, Michigan, Bama, Oregon as prime examples. Good coaching + elite athletes = Wins.

Carroll had them practicing like the old-school Canes. Their practices were harder than their games. Alfalfa doesn't like to put our kids through that.

He prefers ***** drills and ice cream trucks.

I only hope and pray that we don't have to go that long til we're back.

Envied, feared and hated by many. You know that ****** Emmert is very pleased that both the U and the Trojans are down and irrelevant.

If only we had a BOT, Admin and AD that cared about our athletics. But, we all know they loathe the tradition that UM was built on.

FIRE AL GO!

BRING BACK BUTCH!

USC got jerked around by the ncaa. Their penalty was very punitive - I'm surprised they rebounded as quickly as they did considering they got hammered on the schollie reduction from.

 

[ncncanes]

I'll drink to that ...... sorry

 

[poncho0091]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

Some of your guys live way out in left field.

Completely disagree. Before the SEC love fest over the last 10 years, it was a Big 10 love fest. More specifically it was an Ohio St and Michigan love fest, but they would prop up other Big 10 teams to make OSU and Michigan wins look bigger than they were. It's the same thing they do with the SEC now. Many (not all) SEC teams play in the SEC bubble and avoid big OOC matchups. They start the season overranked and every win looks like a huge win so they move up easier in the polls and everyone loss looks like it was against a great team so they don't usually drop as far. I'm not saying the SEC has not been the best conference most years, but the media and NCAA prop them up as untouchable with really they were a slight bit better than the others in most of those years. They would have you believe that Tennessee and Arkansas are elite teams.

Just look at TA&M and Missouri. They were "overrated", no defense Big 12 teams and then they came to the SEC and did very well and all of a sudden they were considered powerhouses made by the SEC. That doesn't just happen the next season because you joined the SEC.

Another thing to take a look at is when a scandal is uncovered, look how fast the investigations last with no real result. Cam Newton investigation was 2 weeks and he was considered innocent, because "he didn't know" his dad was shopping him. In reality they just didn't want to lose their headliner for the upcoming championship game. Another one to watch is Johnny Manziel. His investigation was about 3 weeks and resolved just in time for the season and his only penalty was a half game against some scrub (Rice I think?).

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Well, they went through a lot more than 2 HC from 83-2000. I hope we don't have the same fate. It's already been bad enough.

Both schools are targeted for violations because the NCAA wants the SEC and BIG10 to be dominant.

Especially under the most corrupt NCAA President ever, Emmert. Dude is a professional thug. Has gotten away with scandals for many years.

If an honest guy was running things at the top, the crap that would be coming out against the SEC would be legendary.

Now, I'm not even referring to UM in this case. I don't believe like many do that the bag men are keeping the elite athletes away from our program. The CORCH is.

I do, however, believe that the bag men for the SEC, FSU, Clemson, etc., try to outbid each other for elite kids every season.

Of course, the NCAA turns a blind eye to this. If it was SC or the U, they would investigate the smallest incident and make a mole hill into a mountain.

Some of your guys live way out in left field.

Completely disagree. Before the SEC love fest over the last 10 years, it was a Big 10 love fest. More specifically it was an Ohio St and Michigan love fest, but they would prop up other Big 10 teams to make OSU and Michigan wins look bigger than they were. It's the same thing they do with the SEC now. Many (not all) SEC teams play in the SEC bubble and avoid big OOC matchups. They start the season overranked and every win looks like a huge win so they move up easier in the polls and everyone loss looks like it was against a great team so they don't usually drop as far. I'm not saying the SEC has not been the best conference most years, but the media and NCAA prop them up as untouchable with really they were a slight bit better than the others in most of those years. They would have you believe that Tennessee and Arkansas are elite teams.

Just look at TA&M and Missouri. They were "overrated", no defense Big 12 teams and then they came to the SEC and did very well and all of a sudden they were considered powerhouses made by the SEC. That doesn't just happen the next season because you joined the SEC.

Another thing to take a look at is when a scandal is uncovered, look how fast the investigations last with no real result. Cam Newton investigation was 2 weeks and he was considered innocent, because "he didn't know" his dad was shopping him. In reality they just didn't want to lose their headliner for the upcoming championship game. Another one to watch is Johnny Manziel. His investigation was about 3 weeks and resolved just in time for the season and his only penalty was a half game against some scrub (Rice I think?).

Spot on!

 

[Cane Dynasty]

We created 30:30.

Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, Jimmy Johnson, Howard Schnellenberger.

 

[Dwinstitles]

liked it until they said GOAT team, i said naaahhhhhh

 

[Awsi Dooger]

There are indeed similarities. When I tell people I'm a USC alum but also root for Miami, I often receive this response: "I hate both of those teams."

USC has a nicer campus with plenty of landmarks. But Coral Gables trounces USC's surroundings. USC has crammed so many new buildings into its compact campus that there's not as much room to maneuver or view as when I was there, or compared to Miami's campus.

Game day is a vast difference. The Coliseum may not be on campus but it's a relatively short walk across Exposition Boulevard. That trek is part of the game day tradition. Miami sadly has next to nothing. It's a pseudo college atmosphere. The Orange Bowl was so intimidating and influential that the pregame hours were not a topic. Now we're stuck in a bland cement dump in a comically irrelevant location on the edge of the next county. Brilliant.

USC won several Rose Bowls during that lull from 1983 to 2000. It's true they were seldom a national force deep in the season, other than 1988 until losing at home to Notre Dame. The two joke coaches were the first and last. I was still a student when Ted Tollner was hired as assistant head coach. I couldn't believe USC elevated Tollner to the top job when John Robinson bolted to the Rams. I interviewed Tollner for the USC student newspaper. He was pure cupcake. He literally diagrammed one finesse play after another, excited at all the false influence he would create. I asked him the only question that seemed proper, "Are we ever going to hit anybody?" The response was a blank stare. He didn't understand what that had to do with football. Ted Tollner was unfortunate enough to start his career more than 3 decades ago instead of recently, where he would fit right in.

The second flop was USC's version of Al Golden. I won't say Paul Hackett was despised to the degree that this board hates Golden, but it's in the same realm. In some ways USC fans take it further. You aren't supposed to mention Hackett by name on their forums, to this day.

During those late '90s years I was living in Las Vegas. None of my college buddies would agree to make the trip and watch a game with me at the Coliseum, unlike the late '80s through mid '90s. That's how bad it got under Hackett. There wasn't even much interest and not much hope during the subsequent coaching search. Nearly everyone was discouraged, convinced the brand was in a sustained lull. Many coaches turned USC down, including both Oregon based guys. I applauded the Carroll hire and wrote a related (unpublished) letter to the editor to the alumni magazine but overall it was viewed as disappointing, like USC had to settle for a lesser guy far down the list.

I don't know what it's like to be a Miami alum. From a USC perspective there's a sense that the brand owns the Los Angeles area, and extending much further. I didn't need contacts since I detoured to an unusual venture in Las Vegas. But I was offered tons of contacts had I remained. You certainly don't feel the influence from faraway schools, similar to Gator and Seminole presence in Miami. Even UCLA is mostly a sub plot. USC runs ahead of the pro teams in that area when in full bloom, other than perhaps the Lakers during the Showtime era. I never get that sense with the Canes in Miami. The radio programs default to Dolphins.

Regarding the similarities of the 30 for 30 programs, Miami benefited immensely from a longer delay. Principals are willing to be much more candid when it's decades removed. Reggie Bush is still defensive and cautious. The USC version needed to be filmed 15 years from now.

The finishes to the second title game were similarly devastating but the defending champion teams varied quite a bit. Miami lost tons of defensive talent from 2001 to 2002 but retained a stalwart defense, albeit not nearly the turnover greed of 2001. USC's defense in 2005 was a depleted and injured farce compared to the great unit of 2004.

Ryan Ting is the Terry Porter of USC's agonizing defeat, the name that is attached and recalled years later. Ting inexplicably batted down a terrible Vince Young pass instead of intercepting it to seal the game. USC had a healthy 12 point lead at the time, well beyond the midway point of the 4th quarter. Ting received death threats and decided to transfer.