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Toney Punt Return From the Five was a trick play that would have been an easy TD

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JayCane20 said:
Insane that we analyze offense and defense of these two teams for 10 days. We said Miami is more physical OL and DL and we were exactly right. The DL did it all game. Totally neutralized their offense and Cignetti even said all they could do was throw the back shoulder and we were whipping them up front. The OL did their thing in the 2nd half and looked the part. It held true. We talked about playing clean and not turning it over and we did until the final play.

No one mentioned a thing about Special Teams. Maybe some thought into our kicking game and their kicker on the injury report. D$ said multiple times that he thought we would return a kick/punt for a TD (maybe he knew this play was in our bag?).

But really no mention of the true importance of ST in this game and surprising because of how many punts Indiana had blocked on the year and just in the game prior against Oregon. Then, the kicking game ended up being the entire difference. The missed FG, a blocked punt, fielding the punt backed up that far to begin with, now knowing there was a trick play that would have been a house call that got neutralized (all 3 of those intertwine because Toney doesn't field it if there's no trick play designed and thus the block probably doesn't happen or at least isn't recovered in the end zone). Toney had a decent return that set us up around the 40 only to be negated by a penalty on Pruitt and put us back to the 20-25.

100% the game was solely decided by Special Teams. You may be able to add in coaching with balls vs no balls. One team goes for it on 4th and 5 and scored a TD and the other kicks the FG on 4th and 2 and misses.
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And the Cafesito pre-game ritual - that guy needs to worry more about coaching than drinking coffee.

I like the fake punt return and I know you may be limited on opportunities to call it. The guy was punting from near midfield. I would say not the right time to call that trick play.

They punted 5 times in total and from memory, 3 of them were pretty **** good (I think 2 inside the 20).

It still ******* eats at me allowing a blocked punt on a punt safe return. Like WTF!!!
 
PIPO said:
And the Cafesito pre-game ritual - that guy needs to worry more about coaching than drinking coffee.

I like the fake punt and I know you may be limited on opportunities to call it. The guy was pointing from near midfield. I would say not the right time to call that trick play.

They punted 5 times in total and from memory, 3 of them were pretty **** good (I think 2 inside the 20).

It still ******* eats at me allowing a blocked punt on a punt safe return. Like WTF!!!
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And all of this is true and we were still 5 air yards from a game winning TD at the end or throwing underneath to Toney for 15 yards and being at the 25-30 yard line with 45 seconds to go.

It hurts.
 
JayCane20 said:
Insane that we analyze offense and defense of these two teams for 10 days. We said Miami is more physical OL and DL and we were exactly right. The DL did it all game. Totally neutralized their offense and Cignetti even said all they could do was throw the back shoulder and we were whipping them up front. The OL did their thing in the 2nd half and looked the part. It held true. We talked about playing clean and not turning it over and we did until the final play.

No one mentioned a thing about Special Teams. Maybe some thought into our kicking game and their kicker on the injury report. D$ said multiple times that he thought we would return a kick/punt for a TD (maybe he knew this play was in our bag?).

But really no mention of the true importance of ST in this game and surprising because of how many punts Indiana had blocked on the year and just in the game prior against Oregon. Then, the kicking game ended up being the entire difference. The missed FG, a blocked punt, fielding the punt backed up that far to begin with, now knowing there was a trick play that would have been a house call that got neutralized (all 3 of those intertwine because Toney doesn't field it if there's no trick play designed and thus the block probably doesn't happen or at least isn't recovered in the end zone). Toney had a decent return that set us up around the 40 only to be negated by a penalty on Pruitt and put us back to the 20-25.

100% the game was solely decided by Special Teams. You may be able to add in coaching with balls vs no balls. One team goes for it on 4th and 5 and scored a TD and the other kicks the FG on 4th and 2 and misses.
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When Mali caught that punt I screamed WTF are you doing. It would have gone into the end zone and we’d have gotten the ball on the 20. He doesn’t make mistakes like that. Now that it’s been indicated there was a trick play called, it makes sense as to why he caught it.
 
423Hurricane said:
When Mali caught that punt I screamed WTF are you doing. It would have gone into the end zone and we’d have gotten the ball on the 20. He doesn’t make mistakes like that. Now that it’s been indicated there was a trick play called, it makes sense as to why he caught it.
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Yep. At first I assumed he just lost his depth perception on how far he actually backpedaled looking up in the air.

It was the one time they really booted it over his head. He camped under every other punt fairly easily.
 
JayCane20 said:
Yep. At first I assumed he just lost his depth perception on how far he actually backpedaled looking up in the air.

It was the one time they really booted it over his head. He camped under every other punt fairly easily.
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IF that was the play called, no one else but him could’ve made that throw.
 
423Hurricane said:
IF that was the play called, no one else but him could’ve made that throw.
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For sure. I hate that Chris Fallica put this into the atmosphere. It could have gone unknown and we could have used it next year.

There's a variation used for kickoff that we should attempt when we need it.
 
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Honestly, it would have never worked. You need to run this when they are punting from their 20-30. But not the 40.
 
423Hurricane said:
IF that was the play called, no one else but him could’ve made that throw.
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That's the whole point and why you call it. I guarantee you, in every special teams meeting they had for 10 days, they were yelled at with a megaphone "DON'T LET 10 BEAT YOU". Every single eyeball is on him. Also, he has a legit QB arm. He's not a WR throwing the ball, he's a legit QB. It would've been a brilliant call. I guarantee you Mali completely dots Bryce from across the field and it's a TD, but as others have said, it just wasn't meant to be because their punter got off his best kick of the day.

That punt was 55 yards with good hangtime, because of course it was.

His other punts were 50, 46, 49, and 41, because of course they were.
 
JayCane20 said:
For sure. I hate that Chris Fallica put this into the atmosphere. It could have gone unknown and we could have used it next year.

There's a variation used for kickoff that we should attempt when we need it.
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At least the revelation relieves Mali of making a mistake even though not mamy were pointing a finger at him.
 
JayCane20 said:
Insane that we analyze offense and defense of these two teams for 10 days. We said Miami is more physical OL and DL and we were exactly right. The DL did it all game. Totally neutralized their offense and Cignetti even said all they could do was throw the back shoulder and we were whipping them up front. The OL did their thing in the 2nd half and looked the part. It held true. We talked about playing clean and not turning it over and we did until the final play.

No one mentioned a thing about Special Teams. Maybe some thought into our kicking game and their kicker on the injury report. D$ said multiple times that he thought we would return a kick/punt for a TD (maybe he knew this play was in our bag?).

But really no mention of the true importance of ST in this game and surprising because of how many punts Indiana had blocked on the year and just in the game prior against Oregon. Then, the kicking game ended up being the entire difference. The missed FG, a blocked punt, fielding the punt backed up that far to begin with, now knowing there was a trick play that would have been a house call that got neutralized (all 3 of those intertwine because Toney doesn't field it if there's no trick play designed and thus the block probably doesn't happen or at least isn't recovered in the end zone). Toney had a decent return that set us up around the 40 only to be negated by a penalty on Pruitt and put us back to the 20-25.

100% the game was solely decided by Special Teams. You may be able to add in coaching with balls vs no balls. One team goes for it on 4th and 5 and scored a TD and the other kicks the FG on 4th and 2 and misses.
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No BALLS. I guess you missed 4th and 1 from your own 34 yd line down 10 in the 2q with over 4 minutes to play. That took an amazing amount of balls considering that it could have potentially been 17-0 at halftime. Kicking the fg was the right thing to do and making a one score game at halftime.
 
Antcane said:
No BALLS. I guess you missed 4th and 1 from your own 34 yd line down 10 in the 2q with over 4 minutes to play. That took an amazing amount of balls considering that it could have potentially been 17-0 at halftime. Kicking the fg was the right thing to do and making a one score game at halftime.
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Exactly why doing it there and not doing it on 4th at 2 at their 32 made zero sense. His balls shriveled up after he converted the 4th and 1 because it was so close.

When we can't run for it on 4th and short, they won't do it and they didn't think we could. We have to have a play design to break out and convert 2-3 yards.

The fake toss to Toney and hand off to Fletcher that was a TD would have been perfect right there.
 
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PIPO said:
And the Cafesito pre-game ritual - that guy needs to worry more about coaching than drinking coffee.

I like the fake punt return and I know you may be limited on opportunities to call it. The guy was punting from near midfield. I would say not the right time to call that trick play.

They punted 5 times in total and from memory, 3 of them were pretty **** good (I think 2 inside the 20).

It still ******* eats at me allowing a blocked punt on a punt safe return. Like WTF!!!
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They were punting from the 41. Unless it's a crazy bomb like that the play is good to go.
 
BRockCane98 said:
They were punting from the 41. Unless it's a crazy bomb like that the play is good to go.
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That guy can put it down there easy from there.

I think the point from others is that it would’ve been a better trick play if he was punting from further in his territory.
 
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