Tom Hermon

[CanesFan93]

Just read about him and these stood out to me the most

"Despite his membership in Mensa, Herman isn't really trying to outsmart anyone on the field. His strategy is about putting athletes in position to make plays through simplicity and repetition."

Hmmmmm.........

"Herman's defensive coach has a similar strategy. Orlando's Cougar defense lines up in a very flexible 3-4. It can form either a true 3-4 or a 4-3, depending on the call. The Cougars have the ability to play either in a variety of different ways."

"Like most smashmouth spread teams (Auburn, Clemson, Ohio State, etc.), Herman has some vertical play action designed to allow the QB to either read for a deep throw or scramble if everything is covered."

Would have to recruit more dual-threat kids.

 

[Consigliere]

UT asked Briles to submit his resume and other supporting information for the UT job. Briles told them they have his resume (football record, everything on tv, etc.), so he didn't submit anything to them. He didn't want it to appear that he was looking to move to UT, because he wasn't. Now he may have taken it if offered, but UT never offered because he wouldn't submit his resume. Briles is very smart. And a very good coach. I've said this before, he isn't leaving the state of Texas for a job. Not ever. He was out of state recently for a bowl game. It was the longest he'd spent outside of Texas since his honeymoon.

I never understood why a resume was necessary for such a hire. Look at the coach's tenure.

I thought that only at Miami would we request a resume, see Coach L (since our admin were too Potato to know of him).

 

[Al Foil]

Sounds like something Blake James would do.....oh wait, that IS what he did when he hired Larranaga.

I guess that is why the Texas AD is homeless now.

UT asked Briles to submit his resume and other supporting information for the UT job. Briles told them they have his resume (football record, everything on tv, etc.), so he didn't submit anything to them. He didn't want it to appear that he was looking to move to UT, because he wasn't. Now he may have taken it if offered, but UT never offered because he wouldn't submit his resume. Briles is very smart. And a very good coach. I've said this before, he isn't leaving the state of Texas for a job. Not ever. He was out of state recently for a bowl game. It was the longest he'd spent outside of Texas since his honeymoon.

 

[Al Foil]

The exact opposite of Golden's philosophy.

Golden's philosophy is to use the most complicated system possible that works great if anyone can figure it out.

Just read about him and these stood out to me the most

"Despite his membership in Mensa, Herman isn't really trying to outsmart anyone on the field. His strategy is about putting athletes in position to make plays through simplicity and repetition."

Hmmmmm.........

"Herman's defensive coach has a similar strategy. Orlando's Cougar defense lines up in a very flexible 3-4. It can form either a true 3-4 or a 4-3, depending on the call. The Cougars have the ability to play either in a variety of different ways."

"Like most smashmouth spread teams (Auburn, Clemson, Ohio State, etc.), Herman has some vertical play action designed to allow the QB to either read for a deep throw or scramble if everything is covered."

Would have to recruit more dual-threat kids.

 

[pimpcane1]

On another note does anyone know if the Houston AD that hired Herman is the same one that hired Briles and Sumlin?

If so they need to give this person a call to replace Blake.

 

[Gatorhater]

50% of NFL teams run 3-4 fronts....it works very well.....just not the way Doritos runs it.

He is another 3-4 lover who is going to bring a new offense to Miami. So we keeps Al's base defense and get another DNA altering offense. Great stuff if it works but how long do you give him to completely change everything from what DID work here.

What do the OTHER 50% run? Maybe Al and Mark have slanted my view of the 3-4. Dolphins of 53(Bob Matheson's number) defense was really the start of 3-4 in NFL. But that was long ago and my favorable memories of the havoc old Bob caused in the OB have faded. Now all I see when I close my eyes is DL frigging slow dancing and DE waving at WR's that have blown pass them. We ruled the world with react and read 4-3 meet me at the QB defense based on speed, speed and more speed, not complication. The simplicity of or old defense is the best answer for today's options(collapsing oline into backfield will ruin anybody's day) and the up tempo offenses(no need to substitute situation defenders takes away a big part of its advantages). Until I see a Miami quality coach getting his butt kicked with Miami quality players play our old 4-3 aggressive style, I will remain a devotee of it.

 

[MIATL]

On another note does anyone know if the Houston AD that hired Herman is the same one that hired Briles and Sumlin?

If so they need to give this person a call to replace Blake.

Not the same AD. The guy who hired Herman already left Houston, and is at Mizzou.

But interestingly enough ... The AD who hired Sumlin and Briles has ties to Miami. Dave Maggard ...

 

[FullyERicht]

Guy is super young, and super green.

UM isn't in a position to take a chance on an up and comer. This thing needs a proven vet to turn it around at this point.

And most the best defenses in the NFL the last few season run the 4-3 (Seattle, Bills, Panthers, etc)

 

[The Franchise]

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's buyout from Arkansas State ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

McElwang's buyout was over $7m, and Muscrap's buyout was bigger than Folden's. If UM wants to do this it's as easy as pie. This sort of **** sounds insurmountable to guys making $35k per year or those who buy the lies about UM being poor. But it's a drop in the bucket in big time Power 5 football.

 

[Al Foil]

For me....it's:

1. Chud
2. Herman
3. Fold the program

Herman is a sure bet.

Guy just beat Petrino on the road as a 14 point dog....are you kidding me?

That is all I needed to see.....not to mention the fact he ran the offense that won a national title with a 3rd string QB.

You would probably take Cristobal over him...right? Are you part of the Butch revisionist history cult?

Guy is super young, and super green.

UM isn't in a position to take a chance on an up and comer. This thing needs a proven vet to turn it around at this point.

And most the best defenses in the NFL the last few season run the 4-3 (Seattle, Bills, Panthers, etc)

 

[The Franchise]

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's salary ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

I think that is absolutely true. I believe our fans think this job is moire attractive than quality candidates do.

I think you guys have little man's complex about UM. Look at UF's recent hires. Zook, Meyer, Muscrap and McElwang. None was some monster when hired. Doesn't matter who you are or how much dough you have you're going to have a tough time luring away a current NFL HC or a college HC who is already established at a good program. Even Briles turned down Texas money this last time around.

Herman is not a huge commodity yet. You can get him from Houston just like Baylor got Briles and Texas AM got Sumlin from Houston. You can't get either of those guys now because they're established at good programs that treat them like Gods. But you could have gotten them while they were at Houston.

UM just needs to pick the right dude and act quickly before someone else snaps them up and they get established at a Power 5 team where they feel they can win it all.

 

[Al Foil]

Chiseguy.....

Will Frenkenstein pony up the pesos to buyout Golden, buyout Herman and then give Herman 3 mil per for 5 years? Not so sure. I think he needs a new toilet and some artwork for his private office.

You can get Chud for 2.5 for 5 years and toss 750k @ Cristobal to come down as assistant HC.

I also think we can steal DJ Eliot from Kentucky......he worked as a grad assistant at Miami when Chud was here.

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's buyout from Arkansas State ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

McElwang's buyout was over $7m, and Muscrap's buyout was bigger than Folden's. If UM wants to do this it's as easy as pie. This sort of **** sounds insurmountable to guys making $35k per year or those who buy the lies about UM being poor. But it's a drop in the bucket in big time Power 5 football.

 

[The Franchise]

he isn't leaving the state of Texas for a job.

I know the quoted comment was specific to Briles ... But it may also apply to Herman and Chad Morris, as well.

Texas and Texas Tech may both have openings in the next 2-3 years ...

Herman has spent most of his career outside Texas. Did you just equate the Texas Tech job to UM? Holy **** that's the best. Tuberville couldn't wait to get out of that **** hole. He ditched them for a Group of 5 gig.

 

[The Franchise]

If this guy wins his conference in year 1 and hits 10 wins (pre-bowl), his buyout will be irrelevant as many teams will gladly pay it to have him coach. In fact, he will probably have an offer 2-3 times his current yearly base salary, even if he had to pay it. Since this guy is from Ohio and went to Cal Lutheran, I wouldn't believe it would be difficult to pry him from the state of Texas.

It's funny how this dude has generated this crazy narrative that Herman is suddenly Mr. Texas.

 

[Port Knox]

Agree.

The only thing we can really offer Herman is that we are already in a Power 5 conference.

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's salary ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

I think that is absolutely true. I believe our fans think this job is moire attractive than quality candidates do.

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We can't offer what the big state schools can.

 

[MIATL]

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's buyout from Arkansas State ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

McElwang's buyout was over $7m, and Muscrap's buyout was bigger than Folden's. If UM wants to do this it's as easy as pie. This sort of **** sounds insurmountable to guys making $35k per year or those who buy the lies about UM being poor. But it's a drop in the bucket in big time Power 5 football.

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's salary ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

I think that is absolutely true. I believe our fans think this job is moire attractive than quality candidates do.

I think you guys have little man's complex about UM. Look at UF's recent hires. Zook, Meyer, Muscrap and McElwang. None was some monster when hired. Doesn't matter who you are or how much dough you have you're going to have a tough time luring away a current NFL HC or a college HC who is already established at a good program. Even Briles turned down Texas money this last time around.

Herman is not a huge commodity yet. You can get him from Houston just like Baylor got Briles and Texas AM got Sumlin from Houston. You can't get either of those guys now because they're established at good programs that treat them like Gods. But you could have gotten them while they were at Houston.

UM just needs to pick the right dude and act quickly before someone else snaps them up and they get established at a Power 5 team where they feel they can win it all.

Art Briles of Baylor Bears staying, 'no desire' to leave

Briles was never offered the Texas job. And if they had offered, he would have accepted.

And Gus Malzahn turned down UNC to stay an OC at Auburn, then accepted the HC job at Arkansas State for less money.

He did it because where he lives is important to him.

Sumlin and Briles got to stay in Texas, and got huge raises. The current Houston landscape is not the same. New stadium, new commitment to joining a Power 5 conference, or rivaling Boise as the top program in the Group of 5. Those were not the stated goals when Briles and Sumlin were there.

 

[MIATL]

he isn't leaving the state of Texas for a job.

I know the quoted comment was specific to Briles ... But it may also apply to Herman and Chad Morris, as well.

Texas and Texas Tech may both have openings in the next 2-3 years ...

Herman has spent most of his career outside Texas. Did you just equate the Texas Tech job to UM? Holy **** that's the best. Tuberville couldn't wait to get out of that **** hole. He ditched them for a Group of 5 gig.

If this guy wins his conference in year 1 and hits 10 wins (pre-bowl), his buyout will be irrelevant as many teams will gladly pay it to have him coach. In fact, he will probably have an offer 2-3 times his current yearly base salary, even if he had to pay it. Since this guy is from Ohio and went to Cal Lutheran, I wouldn't believe it would be difficult to pry him from the state of Texas.

It's funny how this dude has generated this crazy narrative that Herman is suddenly Mr. Texas.

What are you talking about?

Herman starting coaching in 1998. And from 1998-2008, he coached in Texas. So, he has spent the majority of his career in Texas.

And it's not about being Mr. Texas ... It's about the recruiting base he already has access to. It's about the relationships he's already built in that state ... Given that was also his primary recruiting territory at Iowa State and OSU.

He doesn't have to start from scratch.

As for the Texas Tech reference ... That was about Chad Morris. He interviewed for that job when Kingsbury got it.

The "Miami is a better job" narrative is an opinion. If a guy doesn't want to live in South Florida, then Miami isn't a decent job, at all.

 

[Fightinibis]

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's buyout from Arkansas State ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

No, we would not have had Randy or Al if our BOT and President cared enough about the stature of the football program. Since they don't, there was a coaching search fitting their parameters: 1. Cheap 2. Cheap 3. Cheap 4. Hall monitor 5. Cheap

UM

 

[The Franchise]

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's buyout from Arkansas State ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

McElwang's buyout was over $7m, and Muscrap's buyout was bigger than Folden's. If UM wants to do this it's as easy as pie. This sort of **** sounds insurmountable to guys making $35k per year or those who buy the lies about UM being poor. But it's a drop in the bucket in big time Power 5 football.

Herman has a huge 2.25 mil buyout with Houston if he leaves before 2018.

Hard to absorb this, and pay Golden's buyout.

But if you can get around paying Golden (unlikely), it may be doable.

If you have to pay Golden ... UM would need to get creative with offsetting Herman's salary to cover his buyout. I think that's what Boise State did to cover Bryan Harsin's salary ... And I believe UF is doing that with McElwain. But that only works if the guy really wants the job.

I know we all love Miami ... But objectively, we would not have had Randy Shannon and Al Golden as our last 2 head coaches if this job was that highly thought of by those in the college football coaching profession.

I think that is absolutely true. I believe our fans think this job is moire attractive than quality candidates do.

I think you guys have little man's complex about UM. Look at UF's recent hires. Zook, Meyer, Muscrap and McElwang. None was some monster when hired. Doesn't matter who you are or how much dough you have you're going to have a tough time luring away a current NFL HC or a college HC who is already established at a good program. Even Briles turned down Texas money this last time around.

Herman is not a huge commodity yet. You can get him from Houston just like Baylor got Briles and Texas AM got Sumlin from Houston. You can't get either of those guys now because they're established at good programs that treat them like Gods. But you could have gotten them while they were at Houston.

UM just needs to pick the right dude and act quickly before someone else snaps them up and they get established at a Power 5 team where they feel they can win it all.

Art Briles of Baylor Bears staying, 'no desire' to leave

Briles was never offered the Texas job. And if they had offered, he would have accepted.

And Gus Malzahn turned down UNC to stay an OC at Auburn, then accepted the HC job at Arkansas State for less money.

He did it because where he lives is important to him.

Sumlin and Briles got to stay in Texas, and got huge raises. The current Houston landscape is not the same. New stadium, new commitment to joining a Power 5 conference, or rivaling Boise as the top program in the Group of 5. Those were not the stated goals when Briles and Sumlin were there.

Briles was offered and turned it down. Everyone knows that.

You're just making **** up now about Gus. It's important for him to live in Arkansas, so he moved to Auburn? What the fck are you talking about?

And Sumlin doesn't give a fck about Texas. He jumped to AM because it was a better gig than Houston. Same reason Briles jumped to Baylor. Baylor wasn't even a good gig at the time, but it was better than Houston.

LULZ at Houston stating goals now. Who gives a ****? They're a Group of 5 nothing program. UM offers and Herman jumps.

 

[MIATL]

Briles was offered and turned it down. Everyone knows that.

You're just making **** up now about Gus. It's important for him to live in Arkansas, so he moved to Auburn? What the fck are you talking about?

And Sumlin doesn't give a fck about Texas. He jumped to AM because it was a better gig than Houston. Same reason Briles jumped to Baylor. Baylor wasn't even a good gig at the time, but it was better than Houston.

LULZ at Houston stating goals now. Who gives a ****? They're a Group of 5 nothing program. UM offers and Herman jumps.

I gave you the link. Briles was never offered. And I heard him on a radio show talk about the gig was never offered, but that he would have considered it. the host gave him credit for being honest.

Follow your own logic ... UNC paid more than Arkansas State, but Malzahn turned UNC down and took Arkansas State. Why would he do that? He turned down a Power 5 job AND more money. You're arguing nobody does that ... I'm telling you, he did it. It happened. Move on. LOL

Sumlin and Briles jumped to increase their check, and stayed in the same state! This isn't as complicated as you're trying to make it seem. Same deal as James Coley not going with Mark Stoops to UK. Coley could have been a play-caller at UK, but he didn't want to go to Lexington, so he stayed put ... Until Al called, and Coley could move to his hometown to be a play-caller. That stuff matters.

UM offers, Herman may accept. But it's not automatic.

Chris Petersen turned down a lot of jobs when he was at Boise. Gary Patterson has turned down some jobs to stay at TCU while they were in the Mountain West.

You love Miami, think it's great, think it's the easiest play to recruit and win a title.

Meanwhile, 10 other programs have won titles since 1998. And 14 other programs have played for titles. So, clearly ... People can live in the region they want, poach south Florida high school talent, and win titles.

I'll repeat ... Living in South Florida is NOT for everybody.

Miami has to identify the right coach, who wants to live in South Florida.