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to me it is the quarterback that is the problem

Hoyacane1620 said:
Question for those of you who are more knowledgeable in the play part of the game:

What kind of plays should CMR be calling that will NOT require Perry to have to read the defense? What will make him successful and can enough of these plays be run throughout the game to put a complete game plan together?

IDK what Boston College runs for a defensive scheme. How would we have to plan offensively for Perry to be successful should he get the opportunity to play again? And taking into account our crappy Oline.
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1. https://fishduck.com/playbook/the-c...nse/first-fish-tutorial-the-inside-zone-read/

2. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/sports/football/17offense.html

Option 2 eliminates the need for an OL as well, so just killed two birds with one stone.
 
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GonzoCane said:
What exactly is Richts son being paid to do?
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This team is woefully unprepared. Entire offensive staff other than Dugans should be let go. Defense is a top 10 D, maybe even a little better than that. Special teams are poor. Better get fixed quick or we'll get a beat at BC.
 
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It's sad for our desire for a excellent complete team, that poor play-calling is joined by poor OL, ST, QBs, prep, and more as reasons we "sometimes suck out there". I know it varies with the caliber of the opponent ofc, but more often than not I read (and sometimes see for myself) that our "talented receivers are getting open (making separation)" - but poor QB reads or decisions, or inaccuracy, is thwarting any real success.

I have asked this in half a dozen threads; no real answers ever appear, so I'll try once more: If indeed we frequently have open receivers but there are few completed passes w/YAC, is this consistent with poor play calling being the cause rather than poor QB executions? This is just one facet of the offense, so there can be poor play calling as well as poor execution, but really, which is it primarily?

And are we getting openings and separation more often than not, or no? I have seen so many differing opinions, to wit (which is it?) -
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jkdood said:
It's sad for our desire for a excellent complete team, that poor play-calling is joined by poor OL, ST, QBs, prep, and more as reasons we "sometimes suck out there". I know it varies with the caliber of the opponent ofc, but more often than not I read (and sometimes see for myself) that our "talented receivers are getting open (making separation)" - but poor QB reads or decisions, or inaccuracy, is thwarting any real success.

I have asked this in half a dozen threads; no real answers ever appear, so I'll try once more: If indeed we frequently have open receivers but there are few completed passes w/YAC, is this consistent with poor play calling being the cause rather than poor QB executions? This is just one facet of the offense, so there can be poor play calling as well as poor execution, but really, which is it primarily?

And are we getting openings and separation more often than not, or no? I have seen so many differing opinions, to wit (which is it?) -
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if our qb cant go through a progression then wide open 2nd 3rd and 4th options are wasted.
 
jackedaround said:
if our qb cant go through a progression then wide open 2nd 3rd and 4th options are wasted.
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Pardon my ignorance... 50 years a fan but not an x's and o's guy: is what you said mainly related to poor QB'ing or poor play-calling? TY.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Question for those of you who are more knowledgeable in the play part of the game:

What kind of plays should CMR be calling that will NOT require Perry to have to read the defense? What will make him successful and can enough of these plays be run throughout the game to put a complete game plan together?

IDK what Boston College runs for a defensive scheme. How would we have to plan offensively for Perry to be successful should he get the opportunity to play again? And taking into account our crappy Oline.
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Im no expert but a major problem, especially against UVA, is the OLINE is so bad teams can stop our run game with 6 in the box. I can't imagine any team going forward manning up on us. Bronco literally didn't do anything defensively once he realize Miami's oline is ****. They played soft covered and dared Richt to ask his QB's to read coverages and make accurate throws. They can't
 
Disgustipated said:
Im no expert but a major problem, especially against UVA, is the OLINE is so bad teams can stop our run game with 6 in the box. I can't imagine any team going forward manning up on us. Bronco literally didn't do anything defensively once he realize Miami's oline is ****. They played soft covered and dared Richt to ask his QB's to read coverages and make accurate throws. They can't
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So why all the FOCUS on poor offensive play-calling? Fly a banner get a new OC, but same OL and QB... are we much better off?
 
jackedaround said:
it doesn't matter who it has been. if we had any reasonable QB it would be touchdown city. this is not a new problem. it has plagued this program for **** near 15 years.

we need to get a junior or senior transfer in here next year if none of our younger guys are developing by the end of this year. of course it is on the coaches but our QBs can't read and miss wide open guys continually. you can blame richt for recruiting and player development. i am no richt homer either. but last i checked if none of these QBs would start at any other top 25 program (let alone top 10). they should be in film room 20 hours a day.

now, i know you are saying it is UVA. this is miami we shouldn't lose to UVA. well with crap behind center you can lose to JUCO state. UVA isn't the worst team we faced this year. with a reasonable defense and good coaching (bronco) it is easy to stop any team when the QB is dog****. rosier is dog**** if he has to throw. perry played like dog****. what is alarming was richt would go to a guy, for the rest of the game, who hasnt passed to the 1st team in weeks and stinks at passing. perry was playing worse than joescary out there. it was horrid.

you may ask why richt runs the ball? perhaps it is the very reason stated above, he knows our QBs are junk. i agree FB dives are too predictable and we need more creativity to get the ball in our play makers hands. jet sweeps, reverses, shovel passes. ken dorsey, crap line and all, would have this team 7 and 0. even brock berlin would have it 7 and 0. kyle wright.....nevermind.

my point is simple. get your *** out on the recruiting trail and find a competent QB who can manage a game and make big time throws with accuracy above a 5th grade level. otherwise we will never win. defense wins but we do not even have a guy as good as trent dilfer....
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Are you kidding g me? Just stop your garbage BS thread.!!!! Big *** overreaction to a bad loss where there was zero blocking resulting in absolutely no running game!!!

You're making excuses for some poor *** play calling by Richt who did nothing to help the offense until it was too late.

Tired of weak knees vomiting toxic overreactions all over the fanbase. N'kosi has started 3 games and you've already determined his fate for the rest of his career. He threw 6 passes against UVA and that is somehow the blame for the outcome of the game. The kid was the #3 dual threat out of high school. Oh, but you being the QB the expert have decided it's time to move on.

Payton Manning threw 26 touchdowns his rookie year for the Indianapolis Colts. Pretty good. He also threw 28 interceptions!!! Lucky for Indy you weren't the coach or owner of the team. Otherwise, Payton would have never had a pro career.
 
jkdood said:
So why all the FOCUS on poor offensive play-calling? Fly a banner get a new OC, but same OL and QB... are we much better off?
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IDK, I have never really been a play call griper. Not from the plays being called on a down to down basis standpoint. My problem and I assume all the other posters are complaining about scheme and gameplan. There is none week in and week out. We run the same stuff even though we suck at it every week. The offense has been bad since the beginning of last season and its wash rinse repeat every week. At some point as coaches you have to see the big picture and understand your plan is the problem. We have been rotating 7 lineman all season, none of the 7 can perform a zone blocking scheme yet we still run it all the time. How many more times do they need to be dominated before you scrap it? You have to evolve and adapt with your team so you can help scheme things up to help them win ball games. thats just an example.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Are you kidding g me? Just stop your garbage BS thread.!!!! Big *** overreaction to a bad loss where there was zero blocking resulting in absolutely no running game!!!

You're making excuses for some poor *** play calling by Richt who did nothing to help the offense until it was too late.

Tired of weak knees vomiting toxic overreactions all over the fanbase. N'kosi has started 3 games and you've already determined his fate for the rest of his career. He threw 6 passes against UVA and that is somehow the blame for the outcome of the game. The kid was the #3 dual threat out of high school. Oh, but you being the QB the expert have decided it's time to move on.

Payton Manning threw 26 touchdowns his rookie year for the Indianapolis Colts. Pretty good. He also threw 28 interceptions!!! Lucky for Indy you weren't the coach or owner of the team. Otherwise, Payton would have never had a pro career.
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because the acc is the nfl...for richt it may stand for not for long. the pressure on richt to win the coastal has clouded his judgment. his win at all costs did cost us a win by going to rosier. if we are riding with perry we ride with him. idgaf what he was in high school. how did jacory work out? what about kyle wright?
 
Disgustipated said:
IDK, I have never really been a play call griper. Not from the plays being called on a down to down basis standpoint. My problem and I assume all the other posters are complaining about scheme and gameplan. There is none week in and week out. We run the same stuff even though we suck at it every week. The offense has been bad since the beginning of last season and its wash rinse repeat every week. At some point as coaches you have to see the big picture and understand your plan is the problem. We have been rotating 7 lineman all season, none of the 7 can perform a zone blocking scheme yet we still run it all the time. How many more times do they need to be dominated before you scrap it? You have to evolve and adapt with your team so you can help scheme things up to help them win ball games. thats just an example.
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Sure, Richt's "worked for 30 years" stuff is more than just problemsome when we have no blocking or push
Number1CanesFan said:
Are you kidding g me? Just stop your garbage BS thread.!!!! Big *** overreaction to a bad loss where there was zero blocking resulting in absolutely no running game!!!

You're making excuses for some poor *** play calling by Richt who did nothing to help the offense until it was too late.

Tired of weak knees vomiting toxic overreactions all over the fanbase. N'kosi has started 3 games and you've already determined his fate for the rest of his career. He threw 6 passes against UVA and that is somehow the blame for the outcome of the game. The kid was the #3 dual threat out of high school. Oh, but you being the QB the expert have decided it's time to move on.

Payton Manning threw 26 touchdowns his rookie year for the Indianapolis Colts. Pretty good. He also threw 28 interceptions!!! Lucky for Indy you weren't the coach or owner of the team. Otherwise, Payton would have never had a pro career.
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So are you saying replace Richt and his "worked for 30 years" play-calling (new OC/play-caller) and pretty much just like that the Offense is gonna be that much better (same QBs, blocking, OL) just from that change? Yeah we know ST and a few other flaws are gonna hold us back if not remedied.
 
jackedaround said:
because the acc is the nfl...
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That's all you can say. Weak as your thread. Ridiculous trying to determine if a RS Freshman is good or bad after 3 games as a starter. Richt seems to think N'kosi is going to be a star as he said it in his post game presser. It's just a question of whether he'll let him grow with mistakes. Everyone seems to forget the next level QB'ing he did against UNC and FSU. I guess you missed the following article that has circulated in several threads on CIS.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/1625151

I think everyone needs to give Perry time to develop.
 
jkdood said:
Sure, Richt's "worked for 30 years" stuff is more than just problemsome when we have no blocking or push

So are you saying replace Richt and his "worked for 30 years" play-calling (new OC/play-caller) and pretty much just like that the Offense is gonna be that much better (same QBs, blocking, OL) just from that change? Yeah we know ST and a few other flaws are gonna hold us back if not remedied.
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No. He needs to stop being so stubborn. Be flexible and adapt in-game play calling. If he's not willing to do that, then he should just be the CEO like Saban is and let an OC handle the offense.
 
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