Tight splits

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Splits don't create holes, leverage points, play calling and talent do that. Splits DO make an impact and its something you can play with. For example, if the defense are playing landmark football (i.e., the Quick end plays a 7tech position and the NT plays a 1 Tech position) the boundary tackle should widen his splits and it'll push the Quick out even further and the tackle only has to wall off, while the guard can have a free release to the Will linebacker (in an zone scheme) and if you have a pulling backside blocker (TE, OG, etc) you'll have a fee blocker going up the field.

Typically, splits are 3 feet, I'm a fan or 2 foot splits between OC and OGs with 3.5 split between OTs and OG.

The benefit of tighter splits is, when it comes to pass pro is just turn into a big jumble of people if there are blitzes or stunt/twists. while int he run game, similar thing can happen and a small crease can turn into 12 yard burst or edges crash down inside more often and you hope the ball carrier can break contain and off to the races. The Cons are the same, a big can of smashes buttholes with nothing to work with and playing in a phone booth.

I'm a fan of space, that's why you're seeing a movement towards smaller tailbacks and those with more wiggle.

I agree they are tight, but its not the SOLE problem.

Is a byproduct of the tight splits in the passing game more batted passes/less clean lanes to throw through? Because it sure seems we get a lot of passes knocked down at the LOS.

 

[arizonacane]

Need an OL coach that can look eye to eye with his players.

 

[PIPO]

Does any successful teams run an offense with the tight line splits that Miami runs?.

This is the way!!

 

[Wdcanes56]

More than the splits, is the fact that we are afraid to throw the ball downfield in an offensive scheme that is designed to do just that! Too many screens, too many draws.... Defenses are stacking the box and taking away the run. If we want to run that scheme, we need to throw downfield.

 

[twes.305]

tight splits aren’t necessarily the problem. The problem is the combination of tight splits, condense formations, and Dawson’s play calling. Bills have tight splits and condense formation, but it works bc the defense doesn’t know exactly where the play is going. The Bills do many things from the same look.

We come out in spread and condense formation and do the same thing. The plays called from them are predictable and ineffective.

 

[Arehel]

Is a byproduct of the tight splits in the passing game more batted passes/less clean lanes to throw through? Because it sure seems we get a lot of passes knocked down at the LOS.

That depends.

Think of a FG block for the inside three, while the tackles are on an island no matter what.

Widening the splits MAY help for better open lanes if you tend to pass drags within 10 yards. Doesn't help that our OL are all 6-6.

Batted balls are usually a by product of our OL being too passive is pass pro. A good OL coach teaches their linemen, when a DL put there's arms up, that this is a great time to put the screws of your helmet under their chin, open hand punch their ribs or arm pits with the "intent" of pass pro. It'll make them think next time.

We have good effort, but I always wanna see guys fold over.

 

[CountDookoo]

i dont know if you saw my post yesterday but i stated we are the only team with air raid principles i know that dont play with spacing. lol

Even in the pass game...if u watch the int for beck in the ot...AINT sh*t really was open because smu played bracket on the outside wrs.....tand the read was Toney the whole way anyway but he got covered. that play was dead on arrival the best beck could of done was heave it through the uprights really

Gogeta, MC, and Mirabal have hijacked the offense. That's why the offense is so inconsistent.

 

[Astcloud11]

i dont know if you saw my post yesterday but i stated we are the only team with air raid principles i know that dont play with spacing. lol

Even in the pass game...if u watch the int for beck in the ot...AINT sh*t really was open because smu played bracket on the outside wrs.....tand the read was Toney the whole way anyway but he got covered. that play was dead on arrival the best beck could of done was heave it through the uprights really

One of our WRs was about to come open behind Toney, and got tackled lol

 

[90scane]

KC chiefs

But they also run 4000 plays out of the tight sets along with have some of the fastest players in the league. They also spread them out when needed and have a generational talent. Lastly, Reid makes Mario look like a JV high school coach.

 

[U_Canes]

More than the splits, is the fact that we are afraid to throw the ball downfield in an offensive scheme that is designed to do just that! Too many screens, too many draws.... Defenses are stacking the box and taking away the run. If we want to run that scheme, we need to throw downfield.

This near the top of biggest issue with our offense imo.

Dawson whole scheme is predicated on beating teams up with the run or the screen and then when the defense starts creeping to the LOS throw over the top. Ward with George, Horton, and Brown could do that. Arroyo was also a tough cover in the seams for linebackers to cover. Bauman can’t stretch defenses like that and Lofton doesn’t seem to have the receiving ability.

I hope to see more Jojo who I think brings more of that element

 

[mosthated305]

There’s a time to do it and a time to spread out. I’m not certain if anyone runs it 100% of the time. I’m sure there are some teams who do. I commented last night during the GT game how rudimentary our offense looks. Every weekend I see teams running what looks like dozens of different formations, shifts, motions, and personnel groups with wrinkles off those. It’s almost as if they are allowed to practice and install new stuff every week. We can’t even get through a series without a motion or other pre snap penalty.

Its crazy we went from the #1 offense with Ward last year to back to Gattis level offense. I get Beck ain't Ward but how is the philosophy so much different when you have proof of concept from last year?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Its crazy we went from the #1 offense with Ward last year to back to Gattis level offense. I get Beck ain't Ward but how is the philosophy so much different when you have proof of concept from last year?

Need the right qb to make these guys look competent. We whiffed at qb and did an fsu

 

[casualcane]

NGL, opened thread for title

 

[simplycanes]

Splits don't create holes, leverage points, play calling and talent do that. Splits DO make an impact and its something you can play with. For example, if the defense are playing landmark football (i.e., the Quick end plays a 7tech position and the NT plays a 1 Tech position) the boundary tackle should widen his splits and it'll push the Quick out even further and the tackle only has to wall off, while the guard can have a free release to the Will linebacker (in an zone scheme) and if you have a pulling backside blocker (TE, OG, etc) you'll have a fee blocker going up the field.

Typically, splits are 3 feet, I'm a fan or 2 foot splits between OC and OGs with 3.5 split between OTs and OG.

The benefit of tighter splits is, when it comes to pass pro is just turn into a big jumble of people if there are blitzes or stunt/twists. while int he run game, similar thing can happen and a small crease can turn into 12 yard burst or edges crash down inside more often and you hope the ball carrier can break contain and off to the races. The Cons are the same, a big can of smashes buttholes with nothing to work with and playing in a phone booth.

I'm a fan of space, that's why you're seeing a movement towards smaller tailbacks and those with more wiggle.

I agree they are tight, but its not the SOLE problem.

Great information, but I can assure you, the viewpoint on the staff isn’t this nuanced.

 

[DTP]

careful OP .....there are threads and posts (see anywhere below in 3,2,1) in here by the board appointed experts detailing how condensed sets are advantageous, preferred, elite and efficient.....you might incite a riot

Condensed sets are not the same as tight splits. Line splits are the gaps between your linemen. Keeping your guys shoulder to shoulder minimizes negative plays but impacts your ability to break long positive plays. I understand why teams do this but I’ve never been a fan of trying to move the ball three yards at a time. Especially in college football where explosive plays are much more common. Why limit them?

Condensed sets are when you line your eligible receivers up close to the ends of your offensive line. There’s advantages to doing this too. Mostly in the passing game. You increase your odds of getting defensive backs confused in coverage, especially if they’re playing man and you’re releasing multiple guys from the same area. Obviously it can hurt the run game because you’re essentially bringing more defenders near the box and asking guys who are not blockers to execute blocking assignments perfectly.

The splits are never going to change as long as Mario is the coach here. That’s his philosophy and we will live and die by it. The formations are more disappointing because we didn’t rely on them nearly as much last year and our offense was incredible. We actually got away from them a bit against SMU and we looked a lot more functional. I actually liked the offensive game plan on Saturday. We saw a lot of things we hadn’t been doing. We just **** the bed with penalties and turnovers.

 

[90scane]

The splits aren’t the real issue IMO. The real issues are formations and play calls. Dawson will bring the WRs and TEs in tight to run then split out wide 4 wr when it’s time to pass. He is basically giving away what we are going to run most downs.

If the average fan can guess the run/pass, a defense with a good DC likely knows and calls run blitzes or pass protection to help defend against our calls. Pretty simple: Dawson’s calls have limited variation out of the formations we run. If we ran 4 wide most of the time, coaches would adjust unless Dawson had enough variation in the calls out of that formation. In short, every we run is on film and Dawson doesn’t vary from it. Doesn’t matter if we want to out physical teams. 8 on 6 wins most times. He sadly gets out numbered most times.