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TouchMoney26 said:
Idk.. It seems to be a character issue or something, which I would have never saw coming. They gave him chances vs ND and nothing since. Hopefully he gets it together and we can ride out with him baby jesus and daniels
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It could be. Maybe some off the field stuff or lack of effort in practice. Something doesn’t seem right. It seems like more than injury issues.
 
NicKane said:
Marion is starting because he blocks his *** off and he can take the top off the defense.
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Take the top off the defense? He drew the PI against ND but otherwise he’s done nothing as a receiver. 1 catch in 2 games as a starting receiver is abysmal.
 
NicKane said:
You’re dead wrong on this and clearly you haven’t been watching the Guy play or know anything about what he brings to the field. He’s the only one of the starting three that can truly take the top off the defense with elite speed. And he’s also a powerful break the tackle yac guy as well. Oh, and let’s not forget he’s blocking like an animal out there. So with what I’ve seen, JoJo has shown nothing to pass that guy up. Either your bought in and doing the work in practice or get ready to sit the bench.
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No you are wrong. I have went back and watched stuff from byu and here. Being fast doesn’t make you a deep threat. He is at his best with the ball in his hands not running deep routes. He has done a good job blocking but as a wr he is better as that 4th type guy who you bring in and move around
 
We need to develop a third WR option who isn't Marion. Marion has outperformed my expectations for him at WR, but he shouldn't be playing 35-40+ snaps a game at WR. Whether that's JoJo, Moore, or someone else I do not care. I think Tony Johnson would be a serviceable slot if, heaven forbid anything happened to Toney. If anything happens to CJ we will be playing offense inside of a very small phone booth the rest of the year.
 
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Cane30 said:
If everyone put enough thought in this, they could figure this out. A guy earns wearing #1 and can't get a snap.
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Yeah that’s a tough look when your trying to establish a tradition for it… Daniel’s and Toney look more deserving
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
which is interesting considering he played well vs ND and got a lot of press early. IDK why Marion gets the snaps he does. He single handedly caused a huge penalty last night being lazy
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That penalty is the only bad thing I’ve seen from him this season if we’re being honest. Beat a guy deep against usf, catches the ball when thrown his way, and blocks.
 
frankly, the Canes need more explosive plays in the running game. CFB Stat rankings show that our running game is very average in explosive plays in spite of the stellar OL. Although mediocre play-calling plays a role, the Canes still need more explosive plays and Fletcher and Brown hasn’t brought that explosive element consistently yet.

The coaches know Lyle and what he can do. We have seen his explosive plays last season, but this season his injuries slowed him. IMHO, we need a RB like Lyle or Pringle fully integrated in our run game by the end of the season or we will be vulnerable at some point in the season and playoffs. To date, we have not been as explosive as other top tier teams have been in the running game
 
BigWindyCane1 said:
frankly, the Canes need more explosive plays in the running game. CFB Stat rankings show that our running game is very average in explosive plays in spite of the stellar OL. Although mediocre play-calling plays a role, the Canes still need more explosive plays and Fletcher and Brown hasn’t brought that explosive element consistently yet.

The coaches know Lyle and what he can do. We have seen his explosive plays last season, but this season his injuries slowed him. IMHO, we need a RB like Lyle or Pringle fully integrated in our run game by the end of the season or we will be vulnerable at some point in the season and playoffs. To date, we have not been as explosive as other top tier teams have been in the running game
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A pitch. More counter. Even a little trap.

****, don't even need that. More 11 personnel would help.

I love we can run it down people's throats. But running in 5-6 defense like we did vs FSU is diabolical.

More 11 personnel at times and, if not, utilize those flats more often to keep them honest.
 
CanesSkins26 said:
Take the top off the defense? He drew the PI against ND but otherwise he’s done nothing as a receiver. 1 catch in 2 games as a starting receiver is abysmal.
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Again, he blocks his @ss off, and the defense is forced to take notice of his speed, or he will take the top off. What I will say is this, JoJo has done nothing to take snaps away from him, and that is a fact.
 
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252cane said:
No you are wrong. I have went back and watched stuff from byu and here. Being fast doesn’t make you a deep threat. He is at his best with the ball in his hands not running deep routes. He has done a good job blocking but as a wr he is better as that 4th type guy who you bring in and move around
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I guess he didn’t take the top off the Notre Dame defense were the cornerback was forced to tackle him to save a touchdown. Let’s not forget that that pass interference call is part of what won that game for us. I guess you forgot that.
 
NicKane said:
Again, he blocks his @ss off, and the defense is forced to take notice of his speed, or he will take the top off. What I will say is this, JoJo has done nothing to take snaps away from him, and that is a fact.
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Think we have been playing more pony sets recently, because Dawson recognizes that Marion isn't much of a threat and the offense is better off with another RB and 1 less WR. Marion played 38 snaps last night and was targeted once, IIRC. Really hard to justify lining up 3 WR when one of the WR never gets targeted.

I love the pony sets and wish we would feature them more, but they limit what Dawson can do scheming WRs open. We really need another WR to step up, IMO. Think it's a small miracle our passing offense has been as good as it has been to this point.
 
flips said:
Think we have been playing more pony sets recently, because Dawson recognizes that Marion isn't much of a threat and the offense is better off with another RB and 1 less WR. Marion played 38 snaps last night and was targeted once, IIRC. Really hard to justify lining up 3 WR when one of the WR never gets targeted.

I love the pony sets and wish we would feature them more, but they limit what Dawson can do scheming WRs open. We really need another WR to step up, IMO. Think it's a small miracle our passing offense has been as good as it has been to this point.
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Also, let’s not forget Elijah Lofton is starting to get going and that’s gonna be a whole Other ball game for opposing teams.
 
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