A 6-6 team that was probably the 2nd or 3rd most talented team in CFB. Urban knows how to build a culture of excellence. But how many Urban Meyers are out there? There’s him, Saban and Dabo. That’s it. Everything else is rolling the dice.
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A 6-6 team that was probably the 2nd or 3rd most talented team in CFB. Urban knows how to build a culture of excellence. But how many Urban Meyers are out there? There’s him, Saban and Dabo. That’s it. Everything else is rolling the dice.
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Who would you have hired? And, tell me how that would have guaranteed success.
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Leach or Mullen when we had the chance.
I'll take proven head coaches over a coordinator from a failed regime.
Oh and just ONE small distinction to be made for the "duh duh Saban was bad his first year at Bama!" group: he showed up there after averaging 10 wins a year at LSU and winning a title.
He wasn't some slapdlck nobody coordinator with zero pedigree.
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The point is we have top 2-3 talent in the ACC and have won our division once in 14 years since joining. That same taint team you say had top 2-3 talent in all of college football, went 6-6. It proves what dog crap coaching has done here and what real coaches could immediately do here. Yet the administration does the exact same thing for almost 20 years. It all comes down to coaching but you're right, they have to pay but they won't.
Leach or Mullen? LOL! Neither would get us competitive with Clemson. Leach just got his **** pushed in by a UCLA program that is a complete disaster. Mullen can’t recruit.
We would have been disappointed by those dumb *** hires too.
Beyond Saban, Meyer and Dabo, 3 guys who would never take the Miami job for any amount of money, everybody else is a roll of the dice at best. The two guys you named aren’t even a roll of the dice though. Neither would get the job done.
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At least we didn’t lose to ULM. This article is pretty fitting. Talks about how they realized as a program that they could lose to anybody regardless of how much more talent they have or how much better their coaching staff is. Why? Because you can’t win on talent and coaching alone. You need a culture of excellence. We don’t have that and haven’t since the turn of the century. Previous regimes either didn’t realize this or couldn’t fix it. I think Manny realizes the issue, at least he’s said some things that make me think he sees it. Can he fix though? That remains to be seen, but 4 games in is not enough time to judge.
Bama lost to ULM (lol), which forged a champion | 2007: The inside story of the greatest season in college football history
Alabama’s upset loss was so embarrassing, few of his assistants dare to speak of it. A former QB will tell you how it changed a program, however.www.sbnation.com
I remember when Bama fans were ready to run Saban out of town after that loss.
I also remember when Clemson fans were ready to run Dabo out of town.
You really want to make this comparison?
Saban was a head coach for many years, was a proven program builder, won a title with LSU and had been an NFL head coach at that point.
Manny has never been a well respected DC over the course of his career. He was seen as a good but not great DC, and was once fired for non performance.
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This. That's why Bama trusted him. If he didn't have that on his resume, Bama may have ran him out of town.
There isn’t as significant of a talent gap between us and the rest of the Coastal as people think. Our talent advantage is mostly at the skill positions. The difference in talent in the trenches and at QB is negligible and that’s where it counts most.
Yes, I think coaching has been a problem. It’s too early to tell if that’s the problem right now. But I do know that culture is a bigger problem and has been the bigger problem. Our roster is entitled.
****, good point. So how the **** did Saban lose to ULM?
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Hindsight is 20/20. It’s hard to be patient, not knowing the future. Coaches people have clamored for in here ***** up all the time. Mike Leach just blew a 32 point lead with less than 7 minutes left in the third. SMU just beat TCU.
Would Miami fans have sat through Dabo’s First year-or the second? He made Clemsoning a verb. Then they figured it out.
Most of the offense’s troubles are from the OL. Zion was whiffing and I saw Clark on skates going backwards, but they should not even be playing right now.
It’s an arms race recruiting and with facilities, and until Miami can start some kind of recruiting “network”, it is going to be hard to compete.
UGA has spent over $200 million since Smart got there-and they’ve still come up short. Alabama got their asses handed to them, by Clemson, with a coach no one here would have wanted, or had the patience to find out it out how to win. I don’t know if Diaz is the guy, or not, but this reflex to fire somebody every time there’s a bad game will never get Miami back.
Would Miami fans have sat through Dabo’s First year-or the second? He made Clemsoning a verb. Then they figured it out.
Most of the offense’s troubles are from the OL. Zion was whiffing and I saw Clark on skates going backwards, but they should not even be playing right now.
It’s an arms race recruiting and with facilities, and until Miami can start some kind of recruiting “network”, it is going to be hard to compete.
UGA has spent over $200 million since Smart got there-and they’ve still come up short. Alabama got their asses handed to them, by Clemson, with a coach no one here would have wanted, or had the patience to find out it out how to win. I don’t know if Diaz is the guy, or not, but this reflex to fire somebody every time there’s a bad game will never get Miami back.
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My point is that with a great coach, the culture you mention changes immediately, yet here we are; likely worse than last year. Same old same old, 4 games in.
Excellent post! This should be pinned!
That’s not true. Culture changes don’t happen immediately. You can have talent, great coaching, and a ****** culture and still be a ****** team. It happens all the time. You can also have talent, great culture, and ****** coaching and be a ****** team. Happens all the time.
tOSU had elite talent, great culture, and **** coaching. Then they hired Urban.
Miami has had decent talent, **** culture and **** coaching. Sitting here today, I can say with certainty that we still have decent talent and **** culture. It’s too early to judge whether the coaching has been upgraded. But, regardless, the culture is going to take time to fix, if it can ever be fixed. As I said in another thread, I think the culture at Miami is an extension of the culture in SF prep sports in general. As such, it’s a blessing that we have the most talent in CFB sitting right in our backyard, but it’s also a curse that this talent thinks too highly of itself.
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That OSU team that went 6-6 had just fired Tressel for lying to the NCAA and played the first half of the season without key players (suspended for their involvement in the scandal). Terrell Pryor went pro rather than return. OSU finished 12-1 the prior season. Of their 6 losses, 5 by were by a TD or less, and one in OT. Ironically the only bad loss was to Al Golden and Miami, 24-6.
The coaching was in disarray, and tanked. DC Luke Fickel was promoted for the season while the Suckeyes waited for Meyer to finish his one-year vacation. Meyer retained him when hired.
As much as I dislike Ohio State, their 2011 was stacked with talent for Meyer. Had Tressell not got himself in trouble that team wins 11, 12 games, maybe a NC run. And certainly doesn’t lose to Al Golden.
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I disagree, if a top tier coach came here we would see the difference immediately. We already know what we see in Manny and it's the same ****!
I'm not saying we'd go undefeated or win a championship but we'd see a real difference.
What top tier coach? There’s only 3 of them. The rest are a roll of the dice.
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So manny becomes Saban in year 3?
Let’s see when we open the game up against Bama. Should be a great one.
Let’s see when we open the game up against Bama. Should be a great one.
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It's definitely not the same coordinator from a failed regime with no experience (3rd time since 01) The administration and a lot of fans are the exact definition of insanity.
Who knows? We’ll find out. One thing is for sure, this fan base wanted to fire JJ after year 1 and thought he was a **** hire. This fan base would have fired Dabo and probably never would have hired him.
How about a failed WR coach from a failed regime with no experience?