Thomas Brown says we have two "elite" backs...maybe three

[deleted5896]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

Are you defining an elite back as having 100+ carries of 30 yards or more? Isn't that more like a Jesus back?

 

[The Franchise]

Elite is a word reserved for the very best of the best. I think what Thomas Brown meant was we have 2 backs who are legit starters at the college level.

That's a great interpretation of Brown's inner thoughts. I think by saying "elite" Brown meant mediocre.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

Are you defining an elite back as having 100+ carries of 30 yards or more? Isn't that more like a Jesus back?

Your comprehension skill is 3rd grade level if thats what you took from that

 

[Ropa]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

Aye old head i never said an elite back should rush for 1000 yards i was replying to someone saying cook and fournette wouldnt do good with coley calling plays when even yearby had 1000 yards with coley calling plays, slow down and read man..but for you to use frank gore as an example when it was a 3 headed monster backfield doesnt make sense

First off lil jit, respect your elders because your back sass will not be tolerated!

Secondly, own your words. You said, "james coley or not those rb's i mentioned gone get theirs regardless! Yearby rushed for over 1000 with coley so im pretty sure cook, fornette them would do same or better.." On the surface one would think that you actually said something but when it's actually examined one will find that LSU is a run heavy team. Fournette had over 300 attempts. Not to mention the coaching and talent that FSU has surrounding Cook. So for all the reasons that you say yeah but when Frank Gore is mentioned to discredit your definition of "elite" consider Gore didn't do it and Mia has not been a run heavy offensive team in over 30 years. So for Yearby to rush for a stack under the circumstances is impressive. And according to your definition Gore wouldn't be "elite" even though he was known to break for forty or fifty in any game. And he was a legitimate game changer.

 

[Reshon52ap]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

Aye old head i never said an elite back should rush for 1000 yards i was replying to someone saying cook and fournette wouldnt do good with coley calling plays when even yearby had 1000 yards with coley calling plays, slow down and read man..but for you to use frank gore as an example when it was a 3 headed monster backfield doesnt make sense

First off lil jit, respect your elders because your back sass will not be tolerated!

Secondly, own your words. You said, "james coley or not those rb's i mentioned gone get theirs regardless! Yearby rushed for over 1000 with coley so im pretty sure cook, fornette them would do same or better.." On the surface one would think that you actually said something but when it's actually examined one will find that LSU is a run heavy team. Fournette had over 300 attempts. Not to mention the coaching and talent that FSU has surrounding Cook. So for all the reasons that you say yeah but when Frank Gore is mentioned to discredit your definition of "elite" consider Gore didn't do it and Mia has not been a run heavy offensive team in over 30 years. So for Yearby to rush for a stack under the circumstances is impressive. And according to your definition Gore wouldn't be "elite" even though he was known to break for forty or fifty in any game. And was legitimate game changer.

Ill try and explain everything again cause you not getting it, somebody said earlier that those elite rb's wouldnt do nothing if they had coley as a playcaller and i replied saying yearby got 1000 yards and cook, fournette chubb all are better rb's then yearby so its safe to say they would do similar or more then likely better. Then for whatever reason you brung up frank gore not getting 1000 yards like he didnt share a backfield with portis and mcgahee. My definition of elite wasnt breaking off long runs that was the other guy, like i said slow down and read.. And last i know frank gore was a game changer & elite its just your example of him not getting 1000 yards was poor

 

[Reshon52ap]

All in all walton & yearby are good running backs & im excited to see what they do this year just pump the brakes on using that elite word with some people for now lol

 

[Ropa]

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

Aye old head i never said an elite back should rush for 1000 yards i was replying to someone saying cook and fournette wouldnt do good with coley calling plays when even yearby had 1000 yards with coley calling plays, slow down and read man..but for you to use frank gore as an example when it was a 3 headed monster backfield doesnt make sense

First off lil jit, respect your elders because your back sass will not be tolerated!

Secondly, own your words. You said, "james coley or not those rb's i mentioned gone get theirs regardless! Yearby rushed for over 1000 with coley so im pretty sure cook, fornette them would do same or better.." On the surface one would think that you actually said something but when it's actually examined one will find that LSU is a run heavy team. Fournette had over 300 attempts. Not to mention the coaching and talent that FSU has surrounding Cook. So for all the reasons that you say yeah but when Frank Gore is mentioned to discredit your definition of "elite" consider Gore didn't do it and Mia has not been a run heavy offensive team in over 30 years. So for Yearby to rush for a stack under the circumstances is impressive. And according to your definition Gore wouldn't be "elite" even though he was known to break for forty or fifty in any game. And was legitimate game changer.

Ill try and explain everything again cause you not getting it, somebody said earlier that those elite rb's wouldnt do nothing if they had coley as a playcaller and i replied saying yearby got 1000 yards and cook, fournette chubb all are better rb's then yearby so its safe to say they would do similar or more then likely better. Then for whatever reason you brung up frank gore not getting 1000 yards like he didnt share a backfield with portis and mcgahee. My definition of elite wasnt breaking off long runs that was the other guy, like i said slow down and read.. And last i know frank gore was a game changer & elite its just your example of him not getting 1000 yards was poor

Learn your history we have always had at least two RB to tote the rock. That's why our RB have longer careers than most because we don't run them into the ground.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

Aye old head i never said an elite back should rush for 1000 yards i was replying to someone saying cook and fournette wouldnt do good with coley calling plays when even yearby had 1000 yards with coley calling plays, slow down and read man..but for you to use frank gore as an example when it was a 3 headed monster backfield doesnt make sense

First off lil jit, respect your elders because your back sass will not be tolerated!

Secondly, own your words. You said, "james coley or not those rb's i mentioned gone get theirs regardless! Yearby rushed for over 1000 with coley so im pretty sure cook, fornette them would do same or better.." On the surface one would think that you actually said something but when it's actually examined one will find that LSU is a run heavy team. Fournette had over 300 attempts. Not to mention the coaching and talent that FSU has surrounding Cook. So for all the reasons that you say yeah but when Frank Gore is mentioned to discredit your definition of "elite" consider Gore didn't do it and Mia has not been a run heavy offensive team in over 30 years. So for Yearby to rush for a stack under the circumstances is impressive. And according to your definition Gore wouldn't be "elite" even though he was known to break for forty or fifty in any game. And was legitimate game changer.

Ill try and explain everything again cause you not getting it, somebody said earlier that those elite rb's wouldnt do nothing if they had coley as a playcaller and i replied saying yearby got 1000 yards and cook, fournette chubb all are better rb's then yearby so its safe to say they would do similar or more then likely better. Then for whatever reason you brung up frank gore not getting 1000 yards like he didnt share a backfield with portis and mcgahee. My definition of elite wasnt breaking off long runs that was the other guy, like i said slow down and read.. And last i know frank gore was a game changer & elite its just your example of him not getting 1000 yards was poor

Learn your history we have always had at least two RB to tote the rock. That's why I our RB have longer careers than most because we don't run them into the ground.

Whats your point? You just saying irrelevant stuff now

 

[bshaw28]

Let's assume you are correct about the drop off in RB talent from Duke to Yearby. So I would assume that you could also see the OL drop off in talent from Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott (2014) to that of Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Darling (2015). It took Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott three year to put it all together which help Duke get over the 1,000 yard bump. And Yearby was able to put up a half a stack with only 86 carries behind that same OL (2014). And that's in an offense that was not run heavy even with Duke. If you don't like the Guy that's one thing but don't ignore the numbers when they don't support your argument.

Flowers is a beast, but Feliciano was a 4th round pick, and McDermott went undrafted. It isn't like that 2014 OL was stacked.

Here's some stats to consider from 2014:

Yearby - 86 - 509 - 5.9 - 1TD
Duke - 242 - 1,652 - 6.8 - 10TD

Yearby's looks good until you consider that a large majority of his stats came against 4 of the worst teams we played - FAMU, Ark St., Cincinnati, and UNC. In those 4 games:

Yearby - 54 - 344 - 6.4 - 1TD
Duke - 52 - 526 - 10.1 - 5TD

63% of Yearby's carries, 68% of his yards, and his only TD came in those 4 games. Duke had 2 less carries those games, averaged 4 yards more, and scored 4 more TD's & had more yards than Yearby did for the entire year.

Here's their YPC for the year, and just vs ACC opponents:

Duke
2012 - 6.8 yr / 7.6 ACC
2013 - 6.3 yr / 6.4 ACC
2014 - 6.8 yr / 6.5 ACC

Yearby
2014 - 5.9 yr / 5.2 ACC
2015 - 4.9 yr / 3.9 ACC

Against ACC opponents - Duke stays the same, Yearby gets significantly worse. That's why Yearby's ypc dropped so much in 2015. It wasn't the bad OL, it was that he got more carries against quality teams.

Yearby has 181 carries against ACC teams in his career, with 1 run over 30 yards. One. That's really, really bad. In Duke's first ACC game, he had 2 runs over 50 yards in his first 5 carries.

Yearby's stats don't look good, and Walton's stats are even uglier. Elite just isn't a word that should be used for our RB's.

 

[Ropa]

Again, are we supposed to believe that the 2014 OL was not as good as advertised? Well look who was in charge of the Marketing, Al Golden. Didn't Allen Hurns go undrafted? So that team and the OL in particular was well underrated. McDermott and a few others on that team that didn't get drafted will prove to be players. Therefore your stat comparisons for two totally different lines and team is irrelevant.

My argument was and will always be that you guys need to redefine your definition of "elite" RB because a number of truly elite players will not fit the many definitions that you guys have defined in this thread.

Lastly, I can care less if you include any of our current RB's or not. I know one thing for sure is that if they perform as they should you guys will say 4 years from now "I knew it all along" And the next generation to have these debates about the RB's in the future you will be saying things to them like "That person is not on Yearby or Walton's level" and how dare they make that comparison because are so great. Also noting how you so enjoyed and loved their play while they were here.

 

[Novacane32000]

Let's assume you are correct about the drop off in RB talent from Duke to Yearby. So I would assume that you could also see the OL drop off in talent from Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott (2014) to that of Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Darling (2015). It took Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott three year to put it all together which help Duke get over the 1,000 yard bump. And Yearby was able to put up a half a stack with only 86 carries behind that same OL (2014). And that's in an offense that was not run heavy even with Duke. If you don't like the Guy that's one thing but don't ignore the numbers when they don't support your argument.

Flowers is a beast, but Feliciano was a 4th round pick, and McDermott went undrafted. It isn't like that 2014 OL was stacked.

Here's some stats to consider from 2014:

Yearby - 86 - 509 - 5.9 - 1TD
Duke - 242 - 1,652 - 6.8 - 10TD

Yearby's looks good until you consider that a large majority of his stats came against 4 of the worst teams we played - FAMU, Ark St., Cincinnati, and UNC. In those 4 games:

Yearby - 54 - 344 - 6.4 - 1TD
Duke - 52 - 526 - 10.1 - 5TD

63% of Yearby's carries, 68% of his yards, and his only TD came in those 4 games. Duke had 2 less carries those games, averaged 4 yards more, and scored 4 more TD's & had more yards than Yearby did for the entire year.

Here's their YPC for the year, and just vs ACC opponents:

Duke
2012 - 6.8 yr / 7.6 ACC
2013 - 6.3 yr / 6.4 ACC
2014 - 6.8 yr / 6.5 ACC

Yearby
2014 - 5.9 yr / 5.2 ACC
2015 - 4.9 yr / 3.9 ACC

Against ACC opponents - Duke stays the same, Yearby gets significantly worse. That's why Yearby's ypc dropped so much in 2015. It wasn't the bad OL, it was that he got more carries against quality teams.

Yearby has 181 carries against ACC teams in his career, with 1 run over 30 yards. One. That's really, really bad. In Duke's first ACC game, he had 2 runs over 50 yards in his first 5 carries.

Yearby's stats don't look good, and Walton's stats are even uglier. Elite just isn't a word that should be used for our RB's.

Walton

2015 - 3.55 yr / 3.39 ACC

Ugly is a kind word for those numbers