Thomas Brown says we have two "elite" backs...maybe three

[canesthing3]

Our fan base has an obsession with ****ting on our players. In one breath you demand 10+ wins and the annihilation of FSU, and in the other, you will rush to any thread that praises **** near any player or position group. Can't have it both ways. I, personally, like our roster a lot, we lack depth in spots but we have studs at the top of the depth chart. As for our rbs, idk who is "elite" or who isn't but I know we have minimum 3 guys who can go out there and get the job done with no drop off. Pair that with Brad, our wr/tes and Richt calling the plays? How can you not be excited? Get out of that defeated, we aren't as good as team x, Al Golden mind frame. Its a new day.

 

[bshaw28]

Mike James, Javarris James, and Damien Berry all made NFL teams, but they weren't anywhere near "elite".

That's the talent level of our RB's right now. Good, but not great.

Thomas Brown is just trying to create excitement. It's just coach talk.

And Thomas Brown's coaching had nothing to do with Gurley or Chubb being "elite" RB's. Those guys were studs from the minute they stepped on campus. Our RB's have athletic limitations that all the coaching in the world can't do anything about.

The OL and coaching definitely didn't help our RB's last year - but a bigger factor is that our RB's aren't that great to begin with.


No matter how bad the OL, Walton's 3.5 yds a carry is really bad.

Yearby gained 1,000 yards last year because he had so many carries. He had 205 carries and 1,002 yards. Every Miami RB that's ever had 200 carries in a season has gained 1,000 yards. 50 of the 53 RB's that had 200+ carries last year gained 1,000 yards. 15 RB's gained 1,000 yards last year with less than 200 carries. It's pretty hard not to get 1,000 yards if you have over 200 carries.

Its amazing yearby had that much considering how the oline played at times and how they called plays

The same dude was calling the plays in 2014. Duke Johnson had 37 more carries, 650 more yards, and averaged 2 more yards per carry in 2014 than Yearby did in 2015.

That's why - for me - Duke was "elite" and Yearby is not. Duke didn't need good blocking or play calling to make him look good, he could make things happen himself. Yearby/Walton/Gus can't.

Multiple players on dukes starting five offensive lineman ( flowers, feliciano, McDermott) are all in the NFL

I hear you - the OL was not good last year no question.

But Yearby did nothing to show he was "elite" in 2014 when he was running behind those OL you just mentioned.

I feel last years OL has become more of an excuse and a scapegoat than they should be. It'll have multiple guys that will end up being NFL players as well - Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Darling. I don't think the OL play in 2014 to 2015 was a 2 yard per carry difference.

To me, the drop off in talent going from a RB like Duke, who was "elite", to RB's like Yearby and Walton is MUCH more the reason for the drop off in production than the OL or coaching.

 

[jakeman1]

Maybe Yearby, with the weight loss, and the OL having some experience, will have a better year. I would think having a fullback will help open some holes for him as well.

 

[Ropa]

Let's assume you are correct about the drop off in RB talent from Duke to Yearby. So I would assume that you could also see the OL drop off in talent from Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott (2014) to that of Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Darling (2015). It took Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott three year to put it all together which help Duke get over the 1,000 yard bump. And Yearby was able to put up a half a stack with only 86 carries behind that same OL (2014). And that's in an offense that was not run heavy even with Duke. If you don't like the Guy that's one thing but don't ignore the numbers when they don't support your argument.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

 

[brock]

Mike James, Javarris James, and Damien Berry all made NFL teams, but they weren't anywhere near "elite".

That's the talent level of our RB's right now. Good, but not great.

Thomas Brown is just trying to create excitement. It's just coach talk.

And Thomas Brown's coaching had nothing to do with Gurley or Chubb being "elite" RB's. Those guys were studs from the minute they stepped on campus. Our RB's have athletic limitations that all the coaching in the world can't do anything about.

The OL and coaching definitely didn't help our RB's last year - but a bigger factor is that our RB's aren't that great to begin with.


No matter how bad the OL, Walton's 3.5 yds a carry is really bad.

Yearby gained 1,000 yards last year because he had so many carries. He had 205 carries and 1,002 yards. Every Miami RB that's ever had 200 carries in a season has gained 1,000 yards. 50 of the 53 RB's that had 200+ carries last year gained 1,000 yards. 15 RB's gained 1,000 yards last year with less than 200 carries. It's pretty hard not to get 1,000 yards if you have over 200 carries.

Its amazing yearby had that much considering how the oline played at times and how they called plays

The same dude was calling the plays in 2014. Duke Johnson had 37 more carries, 650 more yards, and averaged 2 more yards per carry in 2014 than Yearby did in 2015.

That's why - for me - Duke was "elite" and Yearby is not. Duke didn't need good blocking or play calling to make him look good, he could make things happen himself. Yearby/Walton/Gus can't.

Multiple players on dukes starting five offensive lineman ( flowers, feliciano, McDermott) are all in the NFL

I hear you - the OL was not good last year no question.

But Yearby did nothing to show he was "elite" in 2014 when he was running behind those OL you just mentioned.

I feel last years OL has become more of an excuse and a scapegoat than they should be. It'll have multiple guys that will end up being NFL players as well - Isadora, Linder, McDermott, Darling. I don't think the OL play in 2014 to 2015 was a 2 yard per carry difference.

To me, the drop off in talent going from a RB like Duke, who was "elite", to RB's like Yearby and Walton is MUCH more the reason for the drop off in production than the OL or coaching.

He had one of Miamis all time greats running in front if him at the position who rushed for 1600 plus. What more could he have done? He still averaged 6 ypc then...

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

As of now walton havent shown anything to be called elite, when it comes to guys like duke, cook, gurley, fournette you saw it from day 1

 

[Canezum5]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

As of now walton havent shown anything to be called elite, when it comes to guys like duke, cook, gurley, fournette you saw it from day 1

What type of play calling and situation did Duke, Cook, Gurley, and fournette run into?

3 out of the 4 had some of the best oline coaching and playcalling in the nation.

So....... i don't think it's fair to our backs because those guys wouldn't have done ish with james coley calling an offense for them.

Youre an idiot if you think Coley knows how to use cook or Fournette.

Those players elite ability are on display because of the teams they play on and the coaches that put them in schemes to showcase their ability.

We will see what our backs are about with Richt calling plays. Then we can revisit this debate.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

As of now walton havent shown anything to be called elite, when it comes to guys like duke, cook, gurley, fournette you saw it from day 1

That's why I added the word "might". Have you ever heard of that word?

And I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment that " walton havent shown anything to be called elite" (sic)

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

As of now walton havent shown anything to be called elite, when it comes to guys like duke, cook, gurley, fournette you saw it from day 1

What type of play calling and situation did Duke, Cook, Gurley, and fournette run into?

3 out of the 4 had some of the best oline coaching and playcalling in the nation.

So....... i don't think it's fair to our backs because those guys wouldn't have done ish with james coley calling an offense for them.

Youre an idiot if you think Coley knows how to use cook or Fournette.

Those players elite ability are on display because of the teams they play on and the coaches that put them in schemes to showcase their ability.

We will see what our backs are about with Richt calling plays. Then we can revisit this debate.

Which is why i said "as of now" you cant call any of our backs elite can it change of course but we havent seen anything, james coley or not those rb's i mentioned gone get theirs regarldess! Yearby rushed for over 1000 with coley so im pretty sure cook, fornette them would do same or better..

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

As of now walton havent shown anything to be called elite, when it comes to guys like duke, cook, gurley, fournette you saw it from day 1

That's why I added the word "might". Have you ever heard of that word?

And I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment that " walton havent shown anything to be called elite" (sic)

Thats your opinion, ive seen both yearby and walton play from optimist to highschool and they dominated everywhere they played and im sure they will this upcoming year but for people saying their elite as of now is ridiculous

 

[Ropa]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

 

[Reshon52ap]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

 

[Novacane32000]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

Some people feel by calling our players "elite" is the only way to imply that their good

 

[Ropa]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

 

[Novacane32000]

Can someone define "elite" in this context?

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

Some people feel by calling our players "elite" is the only way to imply that their good

Elite is a word reserved for the very best of the best. I think what Thomas Brown meant was we have 2 backs who are legit starters at the college level.

 

[Reshon52ap]

You guys are too funny. And your scale for "elite" changes like the wind. Did you ever consider that Frank Gore never rushed for more than 1,000 at Mia. He was better than all of them Gurly, Chubb and Duke included!

Look who he shared the backfield with as well as all around team, come on now man

Exactly my point. You need to redefine what you consider "elite" because in one breath you say an elite back should rush for well over a 1,000 yards easily and in another breath you say the O-line play doesn't make a difference. But as soon as you guys are proven wrong in every area you say "come on now... look at...". Bottom-line you can't take the stats and twist them to fit what you are trying to prove and ignore them when it proves your argument wrong on all counts. Sorry to do this to you guys but some of us know and understand the stats. You can get past some of these young guys that don't yet know what they are reading and why things appear to be one way statistically.

Aye old head i never said an elite back should rush for 1000 yards i was replying to someone saying cook and fournette wouldnt do good with coley calling plays when even yearby had 1000 yards with coley calling plays, slow down and read man..but for you to use frank gore as an example when it was a 3 headed monster backfield doesnt make sense

 

[Reshon52ap]

Instead of defining ill give you examples, dalvin cook, Watson, bosa, duke, perryman, lamar miller, fournette, Ramsey, Chubb, mccafrey, derwin james, coley.. Guys who can take over and win games

I'd say that "Guys who can take over and win games" we might have 1 at the RB position.

Walton

"Walton might be an elite back" ---Not sure if you are serious. An elite back will break a run for over 30 yards if given the chance 100+ times in a season and Walton couldn't do that last year. How is Walton ,statistically one of the very worst RB in the ACC last year at 3.55 a carry , even mentioned with someone like Duke.

Some people feel by calling our players "elite" is the only way to imply that their good

Elite is a word reserved for the very best of the best. I think what Thomas Brown meant was we have 2 backs who are legit starters at the college level.

Dont get why this so hard for everyone to understand