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Maddog71 said:
but you would have to be absolutely blind to not see the glaring deficiencies in our personnel.
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I think we all see it. So are they overrated coming out of HS, or undercoached here?
How does Wisconsin get 1-2 stars to play so well? It can't be just because they are seniors/experienced, can it?
 
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Funk all that star mess...let’s be real Wisconsin won this game in the trenches...their oline & dline dominated ours

Only guy who made a play or two was CT9......the Qb had all day to throw.....we can’t get off the field on 3rd downs...**** Manny D
 
Their 3-star QB was better than our 3-star QB.
Doesn't get much more complicated than that.
 
Ammok said:
Maddog71 said:
but you would have to be absolutely blind to not see the glaring deficiencies in our personnel.
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I think we all see it. So are they overrated coming out of HS, or undercoached here?
How does Wisconsin get 1-2 stars to play so well? It can't be just because they are seniors/experienced, can it?
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Not sure about the 1-2 star guys but they've recruited 75 3-star guys over the last 4 years.

We have better talent on paper, but Wisky recruits at a level just below Virginia Tech.
There average ranking the last 4 years is 36.7.
VT is at 31.5.
It's not like they're rolling DII players out there.

As I said above you don't have to look any further than QB play.
 
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Dghustla said:
They should have shown a comparison of how many All-Conference players were on each team that would have been more telling.
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So by your reckoning, we lost to a more talented team - Wisky - than us last night.
Ok.
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We had more potential talent when those kids signed. Perfect example who is more talented Anthony Moten or That Van-Duck kid for Wisky?
 
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Stars are a projection and if you follow Miami players you will notice our guys tend to live up to their potential later. Look at all the post claiming Miami players are disrespected and always get drafted late, but get a fat second contract. A kid from the midwest is probably more discipline and technically sound than a kid from Miami, but the kid from Miami has a much higher ceiling. (Which is why he is a 4 star). Wisconsin's receivers could catch much better than ours, so it didn't matter that they couldn't get the separation that ours got. If you don't like my reasoning then you are assuming that our players are overrated, so take your pick.
 
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Cane Dynasty said:
But we need depth to beat teams like that.
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I realize we don't have as many players depth wise, but the fact remains we lost to a team with less talent overall...if star ratings are to believed.
I saw us outschemed on both sides of ball last night. That's how talent imbalance seemed to be neutralized.
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Stop it. We were not out schemed. Our DLine had no push on the running plays, our DB's didn't turn around in man coverage and allowed 3 face catches for touch downs.
 
Andrew said:
Stars are a projection and if you follow Miami players you will notice our guys tend to live up to their potential later. Look at all the post claiming Miami players are disrespected and always get drafted late, but get a fat second contract. A kid from the midwest is probably more discipline and technically sound than a kid from Miami, but the kid from Miami has a much higher ceiling. (Which is why he is a 4 star). Wisconsin's receivers could catch much better than ours, so it didn't matter that they couldn't get the separation that ours got. If you don't like my reasoning then you are assuming that our players are overrated, so take your pick.
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Wisky is good at scouting and developing their OL and OL prediction is a little tricky so I would separate out OL from the star thing.

Their receivers are not actually as bad as people think though, the guys cutting us up last night were highly rated recruits, that guy who caught 8 balls on us runs a 4.4 he isn't slow and he isn't from Wisconsin. The thing with a team like Wisconsin is if those guys got hurt they don't have guys behind them at the same level.
 
As Barry Alvarez said nearly 30 years ago now, "Our heart and soul will come from Wisconsin, but our hands and feet better come from someplace else." Build the lines with a bunch of corn fed Wisconsin boys who will run through a wall for the program, go to Jersey and the SE/Fla for the skill guys and sprinkle in a few walk ons who developed late/weren't recruited by anyone else.

A.J. Taylor was the #1 ATH in Missouri coming out of KC. Borderline 4 star guy. Davis is a true frosh out of Ohio who was a 4 star. The best WR Cephus didn't play last night but he is a sleeper out out of the ATL metro who was mostly a basketball prospect until his SR year. J Taylor is the South Jersey rushing title holder and 100 meter state champ.

Wisconsin is a weird football state. For one thing the population is spread out, 6 million people over a bunch of small towns in a large state, so guys are just naturally underrated coming out of high school. Milwaukee and Madison are the only two cities with any kind of size and neither produce all that much talent.

Most importantly the Badgers are the only game in town. There are no other schools in the state that can offer a scholarship for football. That means you have guys like 1st round pick Ryan Ramczyk who choose between walking on at UW or wielding school. That really helps fill out the depth of the team when they miss on some of the 3 star guys. UW's leading receiver has been a walk on every year since 2011 (all of whom are in the NFL except Fum who will be in a couple months). There aren't a lot of power I teams left so we tend to get guys who may not be highly ranked in a spread O but are a perfect fit for what we are trying to do. Redshirt them, pump them full of dairy products, lock them in the weight room and, voila! Top 15 program that recruits like an also ran.
 
Can we stop with the our qb sucks and there's is great narrative? Our qb does suck but so does their's. Hornibrook is terrible, we just made him look good. He had season highs against us in yards and tds. When you process that stat, keep in mind the pile of crap opponents that wisconsin played this year. We did worse than any of them in pass defense against this guy.
 
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Ammok said:
Canecling said:
did you see the graphic about 5 minutes after that with the Top 3 players on our offense being out?
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That left us less talented as a team vs Wisky? 3 guys out?
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Ummm who’s our starting TE? Did we have a 4th string receiver catching most of the passes? Was our qb staring down guys and making bad reads?

You guys really think we have depth. This team has nothing. Who’s our backup LBs? We had Delaney getting torched but had no one better available. We also have no fullback.

I think you guys going over the moon crazy over the dropping of the past 3 games really are undervaluing our recent injury losses in positions with zero depth.

Season was generally a success and if Rombergs practice report is correct, Kosi will replace rosier next year.
 
Ammok said:
Showing number of 4 star HS recruits on each team. IIRC, they had around 16, we had over 40.
Basically, showing in terms of raw talent coming in, we have more. Yet, for a number of reasons, bad no calls, etc, we got beat.
IOW, we are losing to less talented teams.
That's worrisome.
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No, it means our talent is skewed towards the skill positions with a complete disregard to the trenches (except maybe the DEs).
 
Ammok said:
Cane Dynasty said:
But we need depth to beat teams like that.
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I realize we don't have as many players depth wise, but the fact remains we lost to a team with less talent overall...if star ratings are to believed.
I saw us outschemed on both sides of ball last night. That's how talent imbalance seemed to be neutralized.
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If star ratings are to be believed, then Jonathan Taylor never beats Adrian Peterson's record, but here we are...
 
The difference was their QB and OL/DL had a great day.

We got our **** pushed in and our quarterback is steaming horse****.
 
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