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The verdict is in on James Brockermeyer

A LOT of people on this thread have shown how little they know about OL play via their commentary on this thread. I’m not writing to defend Brock per se, but the folks saying put SJ in…. Have you seen him? He is small. No pause. Like wow.
Also, and I’ve said this a ton, if you don’t know what the assignment is supposed to be, how can you really grade the OL? I’m not talking about obvious 1 on 1 matchups where someone gets destroyed. I’m talking about zone blocking schemes and adjustments to DL shifts.
Is Brock great? No. Our run schemes and lack of horizontal stretch are amplifying his weaknesses.

We also won 42-7.

Go Canes.
 
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Having an entire football field to attack and forcing your offense to operate within a 6ft box for 70 percent of the game is hard to understand. These guys have been coaching football for decades. How they can’t see it’s hurting us is incredibly frustrating.
 
Mos of the penalties are on him , he is very fidgety and jumps at the sound of anything .. he needs some milk lol that boy is terrified out there
 
Hurracanes said:
Interesting take. Rodriguez impressed staff this summer.
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I mean there's obviously a lot that goes into playing center beyond the blocking aspect. Can he actually snap consistently? We've gotten absolutely zero intel on him in that regard.

But assuming he's at least competent from a snapping standpoint.....there is little doubt he is VASTLY superior to Brock as a blocker and in terms of strength at the point of attack.
 
clg003 said:
The Conner Lew decommit was huge... Kid and his fam were die hard Canes. Now he is arguably the best Center in college.
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It was huge but he suffered a season ending knee injury a couple weeks ago.

Center recruiting has been atrocious.

Tripp didn’t play in 3 seasons before transferring

Nico was stolen from Harvard and hasn’t done anything yet, Not holding my breath

SJ supposedly had day 1 potential but has to be “taught how to snap” and looks small. Doesn’t look promising.
 
I think Brock reminds Caveman of himself, I can see some resemblance.
Only reason I can think of after seeing him getting continually pushed backwards yet is out there every snap.
 
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Canedude08 said:
You aren't going to bat 1.000 on portal evals. That said, he's serviceable, but not nearly as good as Lee and Carpenter. It would be nice if one of the younger guys took his spot, but apparently, they aren't ready yet.
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Our future center is playing fullback right now.. hopefully he is ready to go next year… next year offensive line will look totally different. We may lose 4 starters
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
We do run into the B and C gaps. Not a ton, but we do. Not every run is into the A gap. Honestly, the LG has been bad in run push too. It’s not just Brockermeyer. Our best line, imo, last year was Rivers at guard. Losing him and subbing Carpenter with Brock has been a downgrade. I’m not a PFF grader by any means, but we aren’t getting the same push at C and LG that we got last year. I know if I can see it, the staff can too. They seem content to continue to just “do what we do”, so we’ll see if it changes. But we don’t run 100% into the A gaps. We do more than most teams do, though.
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Just a thought - if your bread and butter is A gap, don’t you want your best lineman at the guard position? Kinda feel like we are wasting potential by not having FM at other guard spot - him and Anez could hide JB.

I know, I know, but there would be huge drop off at RT for pass plays. But hear me out… RT is not Becks blind side and right now most of the pressure is from up the middle.

Just saying. Put your best lineman in the spot where he makes biggest impact and in this offense it’s the interior line spot.
 
Cribby said:
I’ve been saying this all year. Teams would much rather have out athletes jammed into tight sets and running to the same spots. Heavens forbid we not be predictable. Not only does it make the O less predictable it would help the OL , wr and even Beck.
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It is so obvious.

See this is the thing that is infuriating. Just for arguments sake You can have a game where you run the ball 100% of snaps. But there's a gigantic ******* difference between doing that with legit 60% of the same ******* A gap run, and a diverse unpredictable run game out of a bunch of different formations and spreading defenses out to make them cover every inch of the field (and at times you can get condensed and run A gap too!). And then if you want to be so ******* run heavy you have to actually run play action and attack the LBs and Safeties attacking even if it's normally a down you'd run....

Like the problem isn't that we want to be run heavy. The problem is HOW we are choosing to run and the fact we barely run play action, we barely spread teams out, and we barely run anywhere other than inside the tackles.
 
Cribby said:
I’ve been saying this all year. Teams would much rather have out athletes jammed into tight sets and running to the same spots. Heavens forbid we not be predictable. Not only does it make the O less predictable it would help the OL , wr and even Beck.
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Mario wants to prove his scheme/identity more than doing what we need to do to win comfortably. either way, second half was fine. win is a win. dont wait a half to show up for SMU.
 
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hoops156 said:
Mario wants to prove his scheme/identity more than doing what we need to do to win comfortably. either way, second half was fine. win is a win. dont wait a half to show up for SMU.
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Same reason we lost to gt because we didnt take a knee, that mindset
 
Gables Canes said:
But but but it’s the best OL in the country! Elite bro!

This group is very good at pass protection. But they’re mediocre to flat out below average at run blocking, and commit a ton of back breaking penalties.

I’ll keep saying it - this unit overall is very overrated.
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Never change, CIS. Our fanbase is claiming the OL is overrated, yet this same unit is highly rated by **** near every single grading service and actual football analyst out there, and they have actual film to back it up outside of "We didn't convert a 4th and short that one time, so everyone sucks". You can't make this stuff up. Is this line as good as last year's? No, because the line had legit maulers across the entire group, Brockermeyer is a pass protector, he's serviceable at best as a run blocker. In a perfect world, he would be coming off the bench, and we would have a better run blocker in his spot, but the youngsters haven't earned it yet.

This is a line that isn't receiving nearly as much help from the OC as they should(Tough to block when everyone knows that your OC is spamming interior runs), and a QB that lacks any kind of mobility, leading to sacks on plays where there was more than enough time. That said, there are few and I mean few lines that are better. This is a top 10 unit, period.

 
Canedude08 said:
Never change, CIS. Our fanbase is claiming the OL is overrated, yet this same unit is highly rated by **** near every single grading service and actual football analyst out there, and they have actual film to back it up outside of "We didn't convert a 4th and short that one time, so everyone sucks". You can't make this stuff up. Is this line as good as last year's? No, because the line had legit maulers across the entire group, Brockermeyer is a pass protector, he's serviceable at best as a run blocker. In a perfect world, he would be coming off the bench, and we would have a better run blocker in his spot, but the youngsters haven't earned it yet.

This is a line that isn't receiving nearly as much help from the OC as they should(Tough to block when everyone knows that your OC is spamming interior runs), and a QB that lacks any kind of mobility, leading to sacks on plays where there was more than enough time. That said, there are few and I mean few lines that are better. This is a top 10 unit, period.

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I never claimed the line wasn't elite at pass blocking. They are.

But the lack of push in the run game is a problem. Dawson ain't helping matters, but Brockermeyer has been subpar in this department all season. The LG spot has struggled to consistently get push in the run game as well.

Not to mention this OL commits numerous penalties a game. They're good for at least 2 false starts, a hold or two, and even a personal foul a game.

Again, this OL is very good - but it's not the best in the country like many claim it to be. The penalties and inconsistency in the run game hold it from being at the top.
 
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