The state of Miami Football

[WhatTheHell]

All of you who says Miami is dead can go **** yourselves seriously. We may not have won a conference title since being in the acc. We may look like a joke on National tv but Miami is not dead. When we stop getting 4 and 5 star players , going. 1-12, No bowl games. Then the program is dead. We are very well alive we just have to get this soft mentality out of this programs. The coaches are not out there when those guys tackle. Perryman lay out people. No body else on defense does. Kirby got ******* truck because he came with a soft *** tackle. Burns can't tackle for ****. Howard dives at feet. Everybody ******* soft. Crawford lays the boom. When we have 11 guys all like that we will be good but we have sprinkles. Oline has to step up and be more physical. We are good folks as much as I hate Golden right now , He recruits his *** off and we still get good players. If he does get fired the next coach has a goldmine . James Coley need to cut the **** too.start calling ******* more plays in the middle hate that sideline bull crap. I think that Louisville lost woke Everybody up. Real game ain't practice.

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[Fightinibis]

yeah, some folks forget how bad Texas, Oklahoma and USC were in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. Then they made excellent coaching hires and bounced back big-time. Oklahoma hired a coordinator and USC hired an NFL retread, so it can be done. We don't need to hire Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to succeed, we just need to have an AD who can spot the NEXT big thing. Saying that this program is "dead" is utterly asinine. Ten years ago, would anyone have expected Baylor to evolve into a top 20 program? They were lucky to have even been invited into the Big XII after the Big 8 broke up, for crying out loud.

UM just needs the right guy, not the biggest name or most expensive guy. Like you said, usc got lucky with their 4th option. Carroll had to beg for the interview. Oklahoma hired Stoops for a relatively modest amount after hiring 4 or 5 busts in a row.

That would actually require a degree of luck, coupled with: a competent interviewer and decision maker. Not sure we have the last 2 based on the last 3 coaching searches and ultimate decisions.

UM

 

[CANE4LIFE]

People here seem to be mixing up 2 different concepts. The program is NOT dead. "Miami Football" is dead. " Miami football" that brash, in your face, aggressive, swagger, bad ***, bad boys that dominated everyone and everything, THAT "Miami Football" is dead.

We are in a different era.

UM is now a top 50 rated academic institution. Its administration is VERY sensitive to the schools reputation and appearance. UM is now in the ACC with programs like Wake Forest, UNC, UVA, which are highly thought of academic schools, with large, but not "super big time" athletic programs. We are also in a different era of college football.

This is the era of BIG money football. Even mid tier teams are paying coaches 3+ million a year. UM does not have the alumni base, fan support or boosters to compete with that kind of money.

UM DOES have some advantages, most notably being in the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation. HOWEVER, those advantages are not as big as they were 20+ years ago. Every program in the country knows So Fla very well, and recruits the **** out of it now. Thanks to the internet, coaches from every corner of the nation can scout and evaluate any So Fla player they want from thousands of miles away, so the "home advantage" we once had, is not nearly as strong. Moreover, UM's academic status, and the SORRY state of So Fla public education, has created a bigger and bigger disparity in the ability of these local players to get into UM, vs other big state programs that can take anyone with a pulse, and whose primary priority in the world is winning football games.

The bottom line is, the program itself is NOT dead. It CAN be successful with the right staff, but it will very likely require time and patience by a very inpatient fanbase. UM is not going to drop 4-5 million a year on some hot shot super HC that can come in here and turn this thing around overnight.

But as far as the day of "Miami Football" and what we all associate with that, those days are gone, and people need to face that reality. People complaining about our players acting like "choir boys" and all that, get used to it. This administration is not going to have us go back to the days of players getting in massive brawls on the field, and trash talking, and making a bunch of personal fouls and unsportsmanlike penalties. THAT is as likely to get an HC fired at UM, as losing is.

UM can still have success, and I believe can still be an MNC contender, but people expecting total domination year in and year out, and that old school SWAG from the 80s, are kidding themselves. Those days are gone.

 

[BoroCane83]

Agreed. The Miami football of the 30 for 30 doc is never coming back. That is why they made a documentary about it, not because it was 'Miami' as much as it was a game-changer of what college football was. Now most top programs are like that in terms of recruiting, attitude, and ability.

 

[BuddyRyans46]

I don't like the comparisons to Alabama or USC or Notre Dame or Texas or Oklahoma, among a few others. Those are historical powerhouses with so many natural advantages it doesn't really matter if they have a down decade or 15 years. IMO, we're more like a football version of UNLV basketball. I was living in Las Vegas during the Tarkanian heyday and cherished attending those games because I knew there was no guarantee it would last once that coaching era ended.

Both programs had basically a 20 year stay at or near the top, with brash teams and battles with the NCAA. Polarizing teams, ones that lacked a parallel within their own sport. UNLV had only one coach and didn't finish off as many seasons as the Canes with all their different coaches, but overall I think it's more of a stretch to find differences as opposed to similarities.

UNLV is still a good program and I suppose everything could fall into place perfectly in a given season or two. That's hardly the favorite. My friends who are still huge UNLV supporters are more realistic than Canes football fans, specifically the ones who don't understand the significance of losing the Orange Bowl and place bizarre faith in recruiting proximity.

Except UNLV is in a bullsh*t "mid-major" basketball conference, while the Canes are in one of college football's premier conferences. You cannot overstate the role which conference affiliation plays in contributing to a program's success. Regarding "bizarre faith" in "recruiting proximity"...ummmm, what exactly is so "bizarre" about regarding the belief that the any school's geographic location can either be a huge advantage or disadvantage? A lot of 18 year-olds want to remain home or close to home. They want their friends and family to be able to see them play in-person. They want to be able to go home whenever they feel like it; they want to play for the local team they grew up watching/rooting for, they want to stay in an area with which they are familiar, they don't want to play in the cold/snow, etc. etc. Miami is in one of the most talent-rich states in the entire nation. They are in a location which attracts a lot of young people for a variety of reasons. I don't really see what is so "bizarre" about acknowledging those facts. Presumably schools like Texas, Texas A &M, USC, UCLA, PSU, Ohio State, etc. don't have built-in advantages by simple virtue of being located in talent-rich areas?!

 

[Jassid82]

For the goofballs who want to talk about big state schools and money and all that nonsense, do you think if Shannon or Golden was suddenly the HC at bama or Texas that they'd win NCs just because they have TVs in their lockers and rich redneck boosters hanging around the football offices demanding results?

My friend, I called you out one time in a recruiting thread for alot of negative posts that didnt really seem to have any substance. But man you have been on a roll these last two weeks to the point where I dont want to like too many of your posts because I dont want to seem like a **** ryder. Dude somebody said it best a few days ago.. I like this new Franchise! Keep up the good posts brotha.

And to the people who say that the program is dead CLEARLY have only been fans for 15 years or less. We have been through harder times and crawled our way back out. Ask any rival fan you know what they REALLY think about our program, all BS hate aside, and they will tell you at this point talent isnt the problem, its clearly coaching. I have had TWO FSU fans tell me that. And they hate UM to the core.

If our talent was bad then I might agree. But all we need is a Butch Davis type (older guy who LOVES the program, doesnt really need the money, and wants to see it return to the top) or a young, energetic, smart guy with a good track record and an understanding of how Miami Football should be. (A Kirby Smart type) Or maybe an experienced alumni who has cut his teeth at the NFL level, has had success, but has no hope or desire to ever be an NFL head coach at this point and still loves the program. (Winston Moss/Chud)

THATS IT! It aint Rocket Science. For the first time in years we actually have talent. Its just be used horribly and not developed. The guy who brought up Pete Carroll resurrecting USC from the dead was spot on! USC was a sleeping GIANT! Its located right in the middle of one of the top 3 recruiting grounds in the country. Enter a head coach with some brains and some know how and he turned them into a dynasty within 2 years! Give Charlie Strong 2 years at UT and he will have those guys runnin' the Big 12 again.

Al's time is up if he cant get out of Sept with a 4-1 record IMO. Enter in a new coach like the ones I described.. who can hang on to the recruits we have committed now, and who can convince the Jrs to stay around another year (except duke of course) and he will have us in the ACC title game next year and playing for titles within 3!

 

[WhatTheHell]

It's dead as long as Shalala is in charge. For as great as she's been for the university academically, she's been equally bad for the football program.

We haven't won a bowl game in 8 years. Coker and Shannon were both extremely lazy hires. We've had an obscene amount of turnover at athletic director, as she runs off puppet after puppet.

Hopefully Hilary takes her with her, because that's our only shot to get back.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

We Still The U. A lack of Consistent QBs and a few years of mediocre recruiting and players dismissed derailed us a bit. The right guy is key. Nun more nun less.

Idk know shalala personally but I know a couple of Sugar bowl or ACCCG checks would shut her and the BOTs up about breaking open the bank.

We could say they're being cheap but they had to think they had the best guy AT FIRST,they're wrong. They're just trying not to be hasty. The is no revenuelike football money.

If we stay winning big consistently,between us and FSU there would be an ACC TV network which is even more$$$$$$$

 

[Ispyin]

The state of Miami? Well it's not #renewed.

 

[BoroCane83]

It's dead as long as Shalala is in charge. For as great as she's been for the university academically, she's been equally bad for the football program.

We haven't won a bowl game in 8 years. Coker and Shannon were both extremely lazy hires. We've had an obscene amount of turnover at athletic director, as she runs off puppet after puppet.

Hopefully Hilary takes her with her, because that's our only shot to get back.

So we should hope for this? Talk about rooting against your team (i.e. America).

 

[Ispyin]

The only thing worse than the coaching staff is having to read political crap on either side on a football board.

 

[cubin10]

It's dead as long as Shalala is in charge. For as great as she's been for the university academically, she's been equally bad for the football program.

We haven't won a bowl game in 8 years. Coker and Shannon were both extremely lazy hires. We've had an obscene amount of turnover at athletic director, as she runs off puppet after puppet.

Hopefully Hilary takes her with her, because that's our only shot to get back.

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