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The Richt vs UM Showdown

cubin10 said:
They like the cleanliness of the program and it's trajectory, they really want to win, but after all the "chaos" from the Universities prospective, Richt is perfect.
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I do believe you are correct!, they want a nice safe clean 7,8 maybe 9 wins a year.
there OK with the yearly media noise of " is the U back "
if this is what you want the program to be so be it....money is not an issue, look at all the cash poured into U health ?!
last 15 years have proven what Bill Parcells says you are what you are we are in fact medicore
right around 20-30 in country...........
 
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For_The_U said:
All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
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For_The_U said:
All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
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Your next post,,can i get the Hardback version please..
 
KLCane said:
Richt has us paralyzed because of his buyout.
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Not exactly.

Richt is stubborn. Proud. Takes offence easily. Gets defensive - quickly. He's all about image. He cherishes his image - even if it's largely in his own mind.

This weakness - can be exploited.

It's embarrassing to see banners flown prior to EVERY game - it's embarrassing to the coach, it's embarrassing to the University - and believe me - the Administration and BOT are NOT going to like this very negative publicity to continue.

Truly, it's a low-rent tactic - but it's a tactic that cumulatively gets a lot of attention quickly - and I guarantee - steps will be taken to put a stop to the negative publicity to the University.

And for Richt - the calling out for his firing - really puts a lot of pressure on him - it's embarrassing, it's frustrating to a coach, and it spotlights exactly where the problem is. When you know that thousands and thousands of folks are seeing these banners - not just at home games - but also away games - you quickly become a laughing stock.

When confronted with a difficult tactical situation - use what your opponent gives you - and you hit at your opponent's weak spots.

Richt's pride is his weakness.

Banners strike at his pride. He will be anxious to make a deal - and negotiate his way out of the contract extension allotments much more quickly than just trying to fire him.

It's called "softening up the target."

Pound, pound, pound, and pound. That always makes negotiations more favorable for your side.
 
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305to954 said:
Extendind coach early in their tenures is pretty common practice in cfb actually some ppl think we the only program that does
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It is a common practice, and for some teams it’s a good move. It hasn’t been good for us.

There was an article someone posted here recently about the ridiculous extensions given to CFB coaches, and how needless they are.
 
robbymoto said:
This is why Blake is a complete joke of an AD. After one decent season we immediately extend his contract. It was 100% unnecessary and stupid. There was zero chance MR was going to bolt or some other school was going to swoop-in and take him. The dude was going to retire before coming here. The move was desperate and short sighted.

We will NEVER be back with this guy as AD. EVER.
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This is the same thing I’ve been saying. Have we ever received an explanation for the extension from the AD?

It’s not like schools were negatively recruiting us. My theory is he assumed good times were going to roll and felt grateful to Richt for pushing for the IPF.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Immature and unqualified coach, immature players.

Bottom line for me, Richt and son have had plenty of time to know who they have on the roster, recruit players to fill the gaps, and coach up the players to get the most out of them. There is zero reason/evidence based on their time here to believe that they aren't the root of the problem. Putting personal responsibility on the players for their own poor decision making and performance doesn't absolve the leaders who put them in that position.

Many saw this coming heading in to this season, which is why for many, this was a make or break season for Richt. It's why many are unwilling to give a pass any longer. If we could see it coming, why couldn't the guy who's been coaching for 30 years and is getting paid $4M per? More time, at this point, is beyond pointless, it's damaging to the long term prospects of the program,

@For_The_U I have no problem agreeing to disagree. I quoted you because I sensed we largely agreed, but also had some difference in perspective. I also quoted you because your comment was reasoned, as opposed to the original poster that you quoted. I'm, infuriatingly slowly, learning to avoid conversations with people who swear the sky is green and clearly can't or don't want to be reasoned with. Often times, observations, points, , etc are made more for those who read the boards in the process of forming their own opinions, but never comment, rather than for the benefit of the commentators. It is my opinion that we're at an inflection point. What happens next could very well determine whether or not this team can ever compete at the highest levels again, or at least during many of our lifetimes.

:very-drunk:
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I get the feeling that richt is under the impression he can do what he wants, and the admin isn’t going to pressure him.

It’s as if when Blake was wooing him, he was coming from a place of weakness, and told richt he can run the team as he wants with no interference.
 
Canesq said:
This is the same thing I’ve been saying. Have we ever received an explanation for the extension from the AD?

It’s not like schools were negatively recruiting us. My theory is he assumed good times were going to roll and felt grateful to Richt for pushing for the IPF.
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Richt has a good season (thru 10 games anyway) and his agent calls Blake. Agent says something to make Blake thing richt isn’t happy, even though his is, and Blake caves.
 
1mg of Epi said:
I get the feeling that richt is under the impression he can do what he wants, and the admin isn’t going to pressure him.

It’s as if when Blake was wooing him, he was coming from a place of weakness, and told richt he can run the team as he wants with no interference.
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Yeah. CMR has carte blanche concerning the football program. So yes, he isn't going to make any " major changes " on offense! OUCH.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Immature and unqualified coach, immature players.

Bottom line for me, Richt and son have had plenty of time to know who they have on the roster, recruit players to fill the gaps, and coach up the players to get the most out of them. There is zero reason/evidence based on their time here to believe that they aren't the root of the problem. Putting personal responsibility on the players for their own poor decision making and performance doesn't absolve the leaders who put them in that position.

Many saw this coming heading in to this season, which is why for many, this was a make or break season for Richt. It's why many are unwilling to give a pass any longer. If we could see it coming, why couldn't the guy who's been coaching for 30 years and is getting paid $4M per? More time, at this point, is beyond pointless, it's damaging to the long term prospects of the program,

@For_The_U I have no problem agreeing to disagree. I quoted you because I sensed we largely agreed, but also had some difference in perspective. I also quoted you because your comment was reasoned, as opposed to the original poster that you quoted. I'm, infuriatingly slowly, learning to avoid conversations with people who swear the sky is green and clearly can't or don't want to be reasoned with. Often times, observations, points, , etc are made more for those who read the boards in the process of forming their own opinions, but never comment, rather than for the benefit of the commentators. It is my opinion that we're at an inflection point. What happens next could very well determine whether or not this team can ever compete at the highest levels again, or at least during many of our lifetimes.

:very-drunk:
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I highly doubt a once proud Hurricane football program will be considered among the pinnacle of major college football in my waning time. For instance, the Hurricanes had a grand opportunity last season to end the season ranked in the Top 5, but lost to lowly Pitt and mighty Wisconsin. And dig this. The Hurricanes weren't going to defeat Clemson even if they would have escaped with a win over lowly Pitt!

The bottom line is this: it will take a 21st Century miracle of epic measures for the Hurricanes to compete at a major college football " play-off " level the next three, four or five seasons. Especially with a suspect offense and all that.
 
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If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse. @For_The_U
I totally concur.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Not exactly.

Richt is stubborn. Proud. Takes offence easily. Gets defensive - quickly. He's all about image. He cherishes his image - even if it's largely in his own mind.

This weakness - can be exploited.

It's embarrassing to see banners flown prior to EVERY game - it's embarrassing to the coach, it's embarrassing to the University - and believe me - the Administration and BOT are NOT going to like this very negative publicity to continue.

Truly, it's a low-rent tactic - but it's a tactic that cumulatively gets a lot of attention quickly - and I guarantee - steps will be taken to put a stop to the negative publicity to the University.

And for Richt - the calling out for his firing - really puts a lot of pressure on him - it's embarrassing, it's frustrating to a coach, and it spotlights exactly where the problem is. When you know that thousands and thousands of folks are seeing these banners - not just at home games - but also away games - you quickly become a laughing stock.

When confronted with a difficult tactical situation - use what your opponent gives you - and you hit at your opponent's weak spots.

Richt's pride is his weakness.

Banners strike at his pride. He will be anxious to make a deal - and negotiate his way out of the contract extension allotments much more quickly than just trying to fire him.

It's called "softening up the target."

Pound, pound, pound, and pound. That always makes negotiations more favorable for your side.
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Not a low rent tactic,,it's the only option available to long suffering fans.
It's not likely the Administration will agree to a town hall discussion with the Fans..
 
imyrhuckleberry said:
What the AD/BOT wants:

1. A clean program
2. A program without controversy
3. Mostly wins
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This is the MOST accurate statement in this "thread". IF they lose 5,000 season ticket holders or more, then they will fire him at the end of next year. They are not concerning themselves with this matter until November/December 2019.

DiMare and a couple of the Bacardis care about football. One of the largest alcohol distributors in the country donates heavily as well, and numerous family members from that Company also contribute. The rest of the donors are apathetic.

DiMare will call a bunch of people and they will "pay him lip service", but they will ignore the issue until it financially impairs the Athletic Department. (Upon hanging up with DiMare they will jet to St. Moritz, or Palm Beach or East Hampton, or Gstaad and will forget about UM for the season......)

The buyout is a problem, but am sure that it is manageable because NEITHER side saw this coming. Both UM and Richt expected better results during 2019 and beyond.

If he under-performs next year, Richt may just quit. Life in Miami is now unbearable for the Richts........
 
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