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The Richt vs UM Showdown

For_The_U said:
Did I say any of those things above? I'm thinking you need to actually read posts before you rip into people with your same narrative and personal attacks.
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Just because I quoted your post doesn’t mean I was arguing with you or ripping you. I certainly didn’t make any personal attacks. I was just piggybacking on what you said to make a stronger point.

Apologies if I’ve offended you, that was not my intent.

Now that we’ve gotten past me personally, let me know if you have any issues with my logic.

Bottom line, anyone that has issues with the QB play but is giving the coach a pass is missing the boat. Coach is responsible for QB play.
 
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g8rh8rMD said:
Just because I quoted your post doesn’t mean I was arguing with you or ripping you. I certainly didn’t make any personal attacks. I was just piggybacking on what you said to make a stronger point.

Apologies if I’ve offended you, that was not my intent.

Now that we’ve gotten past me personally, let me know if you have any issues with my logic.

Bottom line, anyone that has issues with the QB play but is giving the coach a pass is missing the boat. Coach is responsible for QB play.
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All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
 
For_The_U said:
All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
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For_The_U said:
All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
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Bruh...really? Why not start a podcast while you're at it. Geezus.
 
For_The_U said:
All good. I assume when you quote my post you are responding to me directly. So that is why I took issue with remarks like I'm trying to make myself seem smart or put down others that they don't know football. I never said any of those things. More importantly, I'm not at all giving the coach a pass. The very start of my post took issue with a OPs comment that nobody could have done better. That is asinine.

Where I seem to differ from many on this forum however is I don't believe 100% of everything and anything was solely caused by mark richt. Sure, I get the logic, the captain is responsible for the ship and you can tie a logic line back from every problem to how it must have its origins in coaching. I just don't see it that black-and-white. Yes the staff has much to be blamed for, the most obvious being the poor play calling and poor use of skill position players, I don't know how anyone could defend having the son as quarterback coach, etc. But I also believe there is plenty of other blame to go around such as receivers dropping passes every single game, critical fumbles at critical times, dumb as sh-t penalties at even more critical times, a bunch of diva BS and division in the locker room from many of our young players, one quarterback who is imature as **** and got himself suspended for the opener and just couldn't seem to focus enough to potentially be the guy even tho he is now in his second year, another quarterback who couldn't stop doing drugs long enough to see the field, another quarterback who apparently was unable to pick up the game quick enough to be ready, etc. Yes a lot goes back to the staff, for example why don't we have a better quarterback on the roster? Gotta blame the coaches for that, I agree. But it's not like Perry wasn't ranked super highly. He was the 3rd ranked DT qb behind only Tua and Mond for christ sake! The staff would have been ripped for not trying to get him signed, yet now they also are responsible for the fact hes immature as **** and can't be a grown up in a leader? No, a lot of that blame goes on Perry directly.

Look, I don't think you and I are arguing diametrically opposite positions like this discussion is making it seem. I don't in any way give the staff a pass, I was disgusted with this season and pin a lot of that blame on richt and other coaches. All I was simply saying with my post above, which was different than OPs for sure, is there were issues on this year's team that any coach in America would have struggled with. And the number one issue was an absolute train wreck performance under center by every player we had there. That was really my sole point, if we had even gotten remotely decent quarterback play even with our issues and our bad coaching we are probably 11 and 1 right now.

People here want to find a way to pin that back to the coaching staff as well like blaming it all on Richt junior for not developing them? That's fine, I'm not here saying I'm inherently right or anyone else is inherently wrong. I just personally don't see it that simplistic. For example, if knucklehead Perry had been more focused and not gotten himself suspended for the opener perhaps he would have won the competition coming out of fall camp, played well early and been a better option and more reliable for us under center all season. If so, like i said above, perhaps we dont drop any of those four games.

There is a ton of blame that deservingly needs to go on richt and his staff and unquestionably some substantial changes need to be made. I was merely saying that in my opinion, and that's all it is, that isn't the ONLY problem. Or put differently, there were other issues on this team this season outside of 100% everything being solely the fault of richt and his staff.

If people disagree with that, that's cool. I'm always happy to agree to disagree in life. Where I take offense is when people inherently believe their views are correct and therefore everyone else must be wrong and immediately attack any contrary thought or opinion. That goes well outside of sports discussion by the way, in fact it is a massive problem in our country's current public discourse.
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Yup.
 
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Immature and unqualified coach, immature players.

Bottom line for me, Richt and son have had plenty of time to know who they have on the roster, recruit players to fill the gaps, and coach up the players to get the most out of them. There is zero reason/evidence based on their time here to believe that they aren't the root of the problem. Putting personal responsibility on the players for their own poor decision making and performance doesn't absolve the leaders who put them in that position.

Many saw this coming heading in to this season, which is why for many, this was a make or break season for Richt. It's why many are unwilling to give a pass any longer. If we could see it coming, why couldn't the guy who's been coaching for 30 years and is getting paid $4M per? More time, at this point, is beyond pointless, it's damaging to the long term prospects of the program,

@For_The_U I have no problem agreeing to disagree. I quoted you because I sensed we largely agreed, but also had some difference in perspective. I also quoted you because your comment was reasoned, as opposed to the original poster that you quoted. I'm, infuriatingly slowly, learning to avoid conversations with people who swear the sky is green and clearly can't or don't want to be reasoned with. Often times, observations, points, , etc are made more for those who read the boards in the process of forming their own opinions, but never comment, rather than for the benefit of the commentators. It is my opinion that we're at an inflection point. What happens next could very well determine whether or not this team can ever compete at the highest levels again, or at least during many of our lifetimes.

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g8rh8rMD said:
Immature and unqualified coach, immature players.

Bottom line for me, Richt and son have had plenty of time to know who they have on the roster, recruit players to fill the gaps, and coach up the players to get the most out of them. There is zero reason/evidence based on their time here to believe that they aren't the root of the problem. Putting personal responsibility on the players for their own poor decision making and performance doesn't absolve the leaders who put them in that position.

Many saw this coming heading in to this season, which is why for many, this was a make or break season for Richt. It's why many are unwilling to give a pass any longer. If we could see it coming, why couldn't the guy who's been coaching for 30 years and is getting paid $4M per? More time, at this point, is beyond pointless, it's damaging to the long term prospects of the program,

@For_The_U I have no problem agreeing to disagree. I quoted you because I sensed we largely agreed, but also had some difference in perspective. I also quoted you because your comment was reasoned, as opposed to the original poster that you quoted. I'm, infuriatingly slowly, learning to avoid conversations with people who swear the sky is green and clearly can't or don't want to be reasoned with. Often times, observations, points, , etc are made more for those who read the boards in the process of forming their own opinions, but never comment, rather than for the benefit of the commentators. It is my opinion that we're at an inflection point. What happens next could very well determine whether or not this team can ever compete at the highest levels again, or at least during many of our lifetimes.

:very-drunk:
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Well said, man.
 
Mike Thot said:
it's been shown ad nauseam that UM has plenty of money to deal with a buyout.
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Not what they say. UM was begging for every last nickel to try to pay for the IPF. Said they did not have the less than $1M needed to put toward it.
 
same god**** threads OVER and OVER ---- for ***** sake People. I guess Im the idiot for continuing to read them :)
 
Mike Thot said:
i'd say even more importantly bad qb play and tons of injuries to our best offensive play makers has caused the decline.
good qb play and for once finding a leader for the offense will solve the majority of our issues.

don't believe anyone could have done much better with the issues we have on the offensive side of the ball.
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Wish u were right. You aren’t.

It’s real hard to beat a team if you aren’t gonna scheme for that specific defense. Richt hasn’t done that at all. He’s throwing the same sets plays personnel etc week after week. The D knows exactly what’s coming before the snap.

If you have an imperfect offense, like we do, then you’re gonna lose to teams with lesser talent... but better coaching.
 
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Cane1835 said:
If the UM BOT and the real movers and shakers of this program are talking behind closed doors about changes on offense, Richt is going to have an interesting off season.
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You realize you’re talking about a group that gave us the last ~15 years of apathy and self-inflicted cancer?

You guys are hoping for changes on offense, marone’.

It is the whole process that needs to change. This is bigger than a coach who should have never been hired and an AD that fell a$s backwards into the gig.

The system is broken. Nothing likely changes without the right change.

But here’s to a new OC because that did wonders for Richt at UGA.
 
Cane1835 said:
If the UM BOT and the real movers and shakers of this program are talking behind closed doors about changes on offense, Richt is going to have an interesting off season.

Over the last three years, Total Offense stats compared to the rest of the NCAA has declined badly. This only means defenses have figured out this piece of shiit system. Getting a new OC would probably mean firing his Son and/or Thomas Brown. Given Richt's history, he will most likely hold his position against any opposition for change. The question is will UM flinch and cave or go full miami escobar narcos lol and put the shotgun to Richt's head? Richt needs to be reminded this place is bigger than any one person.
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My guess is they'll cave
 
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