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The Phrase "learning how to win"

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Coach speak or not we're 4-0 if the players do their job. Why do yall think that Scott Frost is looking crazy right now and so is Justin Fuentes. They forget how to coach in one season? Nah. They even have more talent to work with now. Sometimes you luck into the right types of kids and sometimes you're team is a cluster f*** of talent with no direction. Manny is still doing dumb ish so he's still learning to build a winning culture himself.

And best of all he solved our QB problems and that will go a long way towards building a champion.

Sometimes it the fans who don't know what the **** they're talking about. No need to jump off the Manny bandwagon yet. We're 4 games into his career.
 
TheMatador said:
So what?
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The “so what” of it all is out of the tens of thousands of College and pro coaches EVER there have only been a handful...a smidgen...to never have played college ball, at minimum

The very fact that you guys struggle to name even 15 (out of maybe 50,000 all time) tells you really good college or pro coaches that have never played at least college ball are unicorns and extreme outliers.

And the few guys naned are genuis level coaches (Gibbs, belicheck etc). Are we putting Manny in that company? Genius level?

And since we know good coaches that have never played the game are unicorns (odds of being good are like getting struck by lightening) what are the odds of Manny being a good head coach?

I say slim and possibly none because he’s already been fired for non performance at a previous stop as an assistant, and the results we’re seeing through four games here as HC should give you pause.

Dismiss the fact that he never played the game all you like but it’s a “thing.” 1. He’s not a genius level coach like Gibbs or belicheck and 2. It will be difficult for him to have bunker mentality with players in tense game conditions because he’s never been in their shoes. He’s never taken a hit, never played hurt, never had to maintain discipline on the field exhausted.
 
I’m not sure how much coaching you have all done. But I’ve used that term before and it was accurate. “We” as a team needed to learn how to prepare better, how to show up and let all of your personal bs at the door and show up to practice ready to learn. Show up ready to work. I can run the best drills in the world, I can tell and scream all I want. I can bench players and I have. But you can only teach perspective one way. And that’s experience. So you let them take their lumps and then you show them they way.

I have said for years that is the problem with the culture at Miami. They beat a few teams and go right into cruise control. Because they are only working as hard as they think they have to. Rather than working every day as if there is someone out there doing more than you. Then a hard working team like Pitt comes in and smokes you.


That’s the mentality Manny is trying to bring back. But it’s hard. Because these kids are pretty **** entitled these day if you haven’t noticed. But I think he’s actually just being transparent. And if he knows these kids are all over the media then he’s using that to send a message. I don’t hate him for it.
 
The Franchise said:
You understand that hucksters try to mimic winners in order to advance their shyst right? No of course you don’t, Jagr.

It’s empty rhetoric, Jagr. Double-talk. Coachspeak. Useless.
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So if a "winner" says it in the early years of building a program, it's legit. If a hated new head coach says it, he's a "huckster".
 
classiccane12 said:
Doing your assignments and playing fundamental football should be enough to beat cmu comfortably . Those are the basic things. Yes you need them to win big games but you need those to win any game at all. Learning how to win is making timely plays, getting to another level in the 4th quarter when your tired, baiting the qb as a safety, and those things come after youve got the basics down. Level 1 compared to level 10. They havnt mastered fundamentals yet. And as has been said all day today that falls on coaching
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I agree. The point of my post is that it applies to all games. It's a slippery slope if you start to not respect your opponent.

(In the case of UF, ND or FSU, that doesn't mean you have to like them).
 
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Gsugradcanefan said:
What does a coach really mean when they use it when talking about players on a team? Is this truly a thing that kids have to learn or just a way for a coach to deflect/shift the blame away from their inadequacies? I know other Miami coaches have used the term in the past, but we've all seen examples of a team having a losing record one year, a new coach comes in and the very next season the team post a winning record. Did the players on those teams have to learn how to win? Also, how long does it take for players to 'learn how to win'?
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Shaq, Pinckney, Bethel, Finley, Dallas, Donaldson, Knowles, Garvin, Patchan, Perry, Gaynor, Thomas, Harley, Irvin, Cater, Bandy, Ford....off the top of my head, they were all on that 10 win Miami team. How did they regress from knowing how to win, to learning how to win?
 
UMovement said:
The funny thing is that we have always had problems with these Midwest type teams (and BC). The ones who build a wall on the line of scrimmage with them big corn fed country plow pushers. I’m sure our line was surprised when the got hit with that first punch and couldn’t get around that footwork. Of course being held consistently and taking cheap shots in the pile with no calls can affect your psyche too if you’re not ready for war.
They really focus on lineman’s technique and chemistry even from youth ball and it shows. We need some of those gritty maulers too.
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You sure about that? I remember a time when our defense would salivate at the chance to play a Midwest team with corn fed linemen. We went over, around, by, and through those guys from Nebraska, Oklahoma, and ND, because we were tough and fast as ****, and in such great condition we ran them into the ground. The 20-0 game against ND in the OB, the ND lineman were sucking on oxygen tanks in the first quarter. The defense ran those guys right off the field.
 
Rellyrell said:
Shaq, Pinckney, Bethel, Finley, Dallas, Donaldson, Knowles, Garvin, Patchan, Perry, Gaynor, Thomas, Harley, Irvin, Cater, Bandy, Ford....off the top of my head, they were all on that 10 win Miami team. How did they regress from knowing how to win, to learning how to win?
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9-11 (4-11 against P5 teams) over the last 20 games after the 10-0 start is how. Success has to be sustained in order to be internalized. In the beginning it's fragile.
 
Rellyrell said:
Shaq, Pinckney, Bethel, Finley, Dallas, Donaldson, Knowles, Garvin, Patchan, Perry, Gaynor, Thomas, Harley, Irvin, Cater, Bandy, Ford....off the top of my head, they were all on that 10 win Miami team. How did they regress from knowing how to win, to learning how to win?
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This
 
NorthEastCane said:
9-11 (4-11 against P5 teams) over the last 20 games after the 10-0 start is how. Success has to be sustained in order to be internalized. In the beginning it's fragile.
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So, they learned how to win but then forgot how to win?

I find that interesting seeing that Manny fired the entire offensive staff last year for non performance, which seems to indict coaches over the players.
 
The Svengali said:
So, they learned how to win but then forgot how to win?

I find that interesting seeing that Manny fired the entire offensive staff last year for non performance, which seems to indict coaches over the players.
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Going 10-3 once isn't "learning how to win". See Clemson or Alabama if you need examples.
 
The Svengali said:
So, they started to learn how to win but then forgot how to win?

I find that interesting seeing that Manny fired the entire offensive staff last year for non performance, which seems to indict coaches over the players.
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Fixed it for you.

Didn't say the coaching staff is not involved. They're certainly part of it.
 
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Gsugradcanefan said:
Clemson learned how to win when dabo got better coordinators, more talent and became a better gameday coach. That has nothing to do with the players themselves.
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Pardon me, but how does that have “nothing to do with the players” when one of the keys you mention is “more talent”?
 
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