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The Phrase "learning how to win"

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Katzenboyer said:
To me, it’s more along the line of “the team is seeing the effort and discipline required to win,” and I think it’s a perfectly acceptable thing for a coach to say.

I’m no great fan of Manny’s and thought he was the wrong hire, but even Saban had to have a crappy first year to change the culture of the program and have Bama apply his system. Not saying Manny is going to be that guy, but you gotta fix culture and that’s all the comment is meant for, IMO.
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Not all first year coaches have a bad record. Gus malzahn took Auburn from 8-5 the year before he arrived to 13-1 and a national championship appearance his first year
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
What does a coach really mean when they use it when talking about players on a team? Is this truly a thing that kids have to learn or just a way for a coach to deflect/shift the blame away from their inadequacies? I know other Miami coaches have used the term in the past, but we've all seen examples of a team having a losing record one year, a new coach comes in and the very next season the team post a winning record. Did the players on those teams have to learn how to win? Also, how long does it take for players to 'learn how to win'?
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it on page 6 of the binder
Golden left it on the ad's desk before he left to give to manny

golden had his neck tie
diaz has his chain

golden had dno
diaz has enos
 
If you’ve ever played sports at a competitive level..there is substance to learning how to win. Simply put comes down to stopping self inflicting mistakes and being crisp in situational areas. In baseball limit walks. In basketball no unforced TOS and no stupid fouls. In football no procedural penalties, selfish penalties, and knowing situation, Down distance..that 4th in 17 against UNC playing sticks and not freelancing
 
classiccane12 said:
It applies in a situation like clemson when they were still losing to fsu and bama, but still a top 10 team. Learning how to do the final little things needed to win against good teams. It does not apply when playing against cmu or nc. We just look like we are "learning how to play."
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Good post !
 
stormsurge said:
best coaches i ever saw focus on the details and consider winning a byproduct of doing the right thing over and over and over

we lose because we deserve to lose: can't locate a pass in space, stupid PI, miscommunications on D, terrible OL play, guys not getting off on the snap consequently getting beaten before they talk a single step back in pass protect, etc.
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I agree.. For years we have been hearing it's the coach, I'm not saying they aren't BUT ****, when will we see a MIAMI dominate just have straight talent.. MIAMI has to much talent on this roster, not to be better.. A lot of the boneheaded **** I see I'M SORRY THE COACH ISN'T THE BLAME..
 
Manny has never played the game of football in his **** life, outside of pee wee football, and he’s never ever been a coach on a team that’s won even a conference championship, so what I’m the **** does he know about “knowing how to win”?

We literally have a head coach that’s never even played High School football.
 
Guys...Al Golden has a degree in Sports Psychology. Also, he has a very thick binder on what it will take to bring Miami back to prominence. Don’t worry. This is nothing like when Randy Shannon took the names off of the jerseys until the players were worthy of recognition.
 
Habits. Starts at top. Will. It comes from within, but can spread like wildfire. Ed Reed is just one great example (Could have listed dozens of former Canes here). Well coached and refused to lose
 
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Mel Bernstein said:
Manny also needs to learn how to win....fast.
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i still believe being a championship head football coach is something that can't be learned. that profile has to have some
very complex skill sets and has a lot of moving parts that are intrinsic to someone's personality and abilities to manage, motivate, and make critical decisions.
 
I learned a lot about learning how to win when I saw Manny milk the clock with 12+ minutes left before calling a timeout. Those 30 seconds saved him at the end of the game. Brilliant!
 
TheEye said:
Guys...Al Golden has a degree in Sports Psychology. Also, he has a very thick binder on what it will take to bring Miami back to prominence. Don’t worry. This is nothing like when Randy Shannon took the names off of the jerseys until the players were worthy of recognition.
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holy ****t. you know things are bad when we start seeing posts that mention Corch Shannon, Sideline Al Golden, and Mork. :snoopfacepalm:
 
Well, it is hard to stand up there and say, I and my staff don't have a frigging idea about what the **** we are doing. "Kids have to learn who to win," means "they need to earn how to win because we don't know how." JJ didn't know how to win a Bowl game. He was 1 and 4 his first 5 years, including his first 3 at Miami with a NC QB and a Heisman QB, both 1st round picks. Do you think the players need to learn how to win? ****, know the coach needed to learn. X and O might not matter but unless you have 5 years of Butch Davis recruits on your team, coaching sure as **** does.
 
You have to break the everyone gets a trophy for playing hard with these players now a days. You really don't see these kids face adversity when playing in high school. if they don't win they just transfer to a school that is going to win easily. Kids don't play in college they hit the transfer portal Learning how to win is more of a mental aspect than physical thing. It takes everyone to win the game, knowing their assignments and executing with out mental mistakes. Great example is with the CMU game. Miami thought they would just show up and win big. They got punched in the mouth and held on for the win. Games like that helps with the learn how to win mentality. This also goes for our coaches too. For all those coaches out there, think of a time when you went up a bigger and better team. Maybe some of your kids thought immediately they were going to lose just by watching warmups. As the game goes on they start believing they can win, not making the mental mistakes and you pull out the win. When you coach kids that learn how to win it is amazing thing. This Miami team has been through years of being soft mentally and not learning how to win. Teams we should be, we haven't been beating like the Duke's Unc. Physical mistakes are going to happen but its the mental ones that is keeping this team from moving forward all the time.
 
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Gsugradcanefan said:
What does a coach really mean when they use it when talking about players on a team? Is this truly a thing that kids have to learn or just a way for a coach to deflect/shift the blame away from their inadequacies? I know other Miami coaches have used the term in the past, but we've all seen examples of a team having a losing record one year, a new coach comes in and the very next season the team post a winning record. Did the players on those teams have to learn how to win? Also, how long does it take for players to 'learn how to win'?
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It’s the sign of a Corch. End of story!
 
clevelandcane81 said:
You have to break the everyone gets a trophy for playing hard with these players now a days. You really don't see these kids face adversity when playing in high school.
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Yeah, take the names off the jerseys and have Art Kehoe print out Burger King shirts because they want to have it their way.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
What does a coach really mean when they use it when talking about players on a team? Is this truly a thing that kids have to learn or just a way for a coach to deflect/shift the blame away from their inadequacies? I know other Miami coaches have used the term in the past, but we've all seen examples of a team having a losing record one year, a new coach comes in and the very next season the team post a winning record. Did the players on those teams have to learn how to win? Also, how long does it take for players to 'learn how to win'?
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It's a bag of nothingness. However, it's a 2-sided coin.

The fact of the matter is that, empirically, there is no thing as being good (or bad) at winning close games. Close games are coin flips decided almost entirely by luck: a bounce here, a flag there, a player randomly making an uncharacteristically good or bad play, etc.

That is hard for humans to accept. If something goes your way, you rather attribute it to some special positive quality that you have, rather than to sheer luck. If something doesn't go your way, you want to point fingers and find someone/something to blame.

So when Manny says we need to learn how to win after losing to UF and UNC, that's meaningless. We need to make more plays throughout the game, period. I fully understand why he (and other coaches) say it. It's a motivational figure of speech.
 
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