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The Perfect Rankings Tonight!

Genghis Cane said:
Interesting thread. Maybe the second best outcome we could hope for, but on what grounds do you move Bama above ND? That would make zero sense based on the trajectory of both teams the last month.
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The thread says it, the grounds of penalizing the SEC champion for losing in the championship. It would be career suicide for the committee and Sankey would go scorched earth
 
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Genghis Cane said:
Interesting thread. Maybe the second best outcome we could hope for, but on what grounds do you move Bama above ND? That would make zero sense based on the trajectory of both teams the last month.
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If I'm being charitable they can say that bama clinched the top seed in the SEC and the whole body of work puts them above ND.
 
Genghis Cane said:
I was talking to @Da Jumbo Mutombo about this in another thread and figured I’d share my line of thinking. If the committee was smart and wanted to save themselves from an insane amount of criticism, then this is what they SHOULD do tomorrow night:

#9 — Miami
#10 — Notre Dame
#11 — Bama
#12 — BYU

Why is this perfect?

1) Miami is given their flowers for beating ND. 90% of the CFB universe would argue this is a good move.

2) ND is STILL in the playoff. Their fans will be irritated for a second, but they will eventually acknowledge that it’s a rational decision. They will also be happy to still be in the playoff.

3) BYU / Bama have an opportunity to prove themselves — win your conference title games and you’re IN the playoff, bumping Miami and ND out. Both fan bases will be frustrated, but they will still control their own destiny. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves.

4) The committee is no longer boxed in with Bama. The problem with leaving them at #10 is they are in the playoff no matter what, even if they lose in the SEC championship game. You cannot punish a team for getting there. And even if you disagree with me about that, it will never happen. But that’s why bumping them down one spot to #11 solves all of their problems. Now Bama can lose and they can keep them out of the playoff. It wouldn’t be a punishment anymore because they were already on the outside looking in to begin with. And after their performance the last few weeks, this isn’t a hard sell. They are not playing good football right now, so they should fall in the rankings. If they are good enough to beat UGA, then they will earn a spot back in.

5) Everything I just said above holds true for BYU. Reward them for beating Tech. If it happens, they will have earned the right to be in the playoff.

This all makes way too much sense to me. It’s a solution that would create the least amount of controversy, so, naturally, it won’t happen. The only two fan bases that will want to burn everything to the ground are Vandy and Texas.

Vandy is 10-2 without beating a single team that will finish the season ranked. At the end of the day, that’s what holds them back. Beating an 8-4 Tennessee team — who didn’t beat single power 4 team with a winning record — headlines their resume. That’s not good enough to jump any of the teams already discussed.

Texas has 3 losses — one of them to a Florida team that we body bagged. I agree that they shouldn’t be punished for losing to Ohio State, and, in my opinion, they aren’t. Instead, you are punishing them for that Florida loss and the overtime wins against two terrible teams in Kentucky and Miss. State. They are not a consistent team, which means they don’t deserve a playoff spot.

What do you all think? @DMoney, if you’re right about Miami getting in, then I believe this is the most likely path for us.
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Dude just kick out the 90 something ranked offense and keep ND BAMA Miami and BYU in
 
Genghis Cane said:
I was talking to @Da Jumbo Mutombo about this in another thread and figured I’d share my line of thinking. If the committee was smart and wanted to save themselves from an insane amount of criticism, then this is what they SHOULD do tomorrow night:

#9 — Miami
#10 — Notre Dame
#11 — Bama
#12 — BYU

Why is this perfect?

1) Miami is given their flowers for beating ND. 90% of the CFB universe would argue this is a good move.

2) ND is STILL in the playoff. Their fans will be irritated for a second, but they will eventually acknowledge that it’s a rational decision. They will also be happy to still be in the playoff.

3) BYU / Bama have an opportunity to prove themselves — win your conference title games and you’re IN the playoff, bumping Miami and ND out. Both fan bases will be frustrated, but they will still control their own destiny. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves.

4) The committee is no longer boxed in with Bama. The problem with leaving them at #10 is they are in the playoff no matter what, even if they lose in the SEC championship game. You cannot punish a team for getting there. And even if you disagree with me about that, it will never happen. But that’s why bumping them down one spot to #11 solves all of their problems. Now Bama can lose and they can keep them out of the playoff. It wouldn’t be a punishment anymore because they were already on the outside looking in to begin with. And after their performance the last few weeks, this isn’t a hard sell. They are not playing good football right now, so they should fall in the rankings. If they are good enough to beat UGA, then they will earn a spot back in.

5) Everything I just said above holds true for BYU. Reward them for beating Tech. If it happens, they will have earned the right to be in the playoff.

This all makes way too much sense to me. It’s a solution that would create the least amount of controversy, so, naturally, it won’t happen. The only two fan bases that will want to burn everything to the ground are Vandy and Texas.

Vandy is 10-2 without beating a single team that will finish the season ranked. At the end of the day, that’s what holds them back. Beating an 8-4 Tennessee team — who didn’t beat single power 4 team with a winning record — headlines their resume. That’s not good enough to jump any of the teams already discussed.

Texas has 3 losses — one of them to a Florida team that we body bagged. I agree that they shouldn’t be punished for losing to Ohio State, and, in my opinion, they aren’t. Instead, you are punishing them for that Florida loss and the overtime wins against two terrible teams in Kentucky and Miss. State. They are not a consistent team, which means they don’t deserve a playoff spot.

What do you all think? @DMoney, if you’re right about Miami getting in, then I believe this is the most likely path for us.
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Makes too much sense so never going to happen.

They will leave everything as is b/c some asinine metric called game control trumps our H2H against ND simply b/c they started games faster than we did even though we won by more points against common opponents. This is literally the BCS computers part deux.
 
It makes too much sense - that’s why it won’t happen. The committee is biased and stupid. I have no faith in them doing the right thing.

I think they’ll simply say “at the end of the day, Notre Dame has been a more consistent team for the last 10 weeks” and omit the H2H.
 
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RozayCane said:
Makes sense

Like someone mentioned on here some days ago.. they need to just go ahead and redo the whole top 12.. put us in the top 6 to 8. Where we really belong
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Exactly.

UM should be ranked 8th with a home game against 9th ranked Notre Dame. Imagine the TV ratings.

You create this space by moving Ole Miss to the 12th rank based on recent FSU precedent and their own rules.
 
Genghis Cane said:
I was talking to @Da Jumbo Mutombo about this in another thread and figured I’d share my line of thinking. If the committee was smart and wanted to save themselves from an insane amount of criticism, then this is what they SHOULD do tomorrow night:

#9 — Miami
#10 — Notre Dame
#11 — Bama
#12 — BYU

Why is this perfect?

1) Miami is given their flowers for beating ND. 90% of the CFB universe would argue this is a good move.

2) ND is STILL in the playoff. Their fans will be irritated for a second, but they will eventually acknowledge that it’s a rational decision. They will also be happy to still be in the playoff.

3) BYU / Bama have an opportunity to prove themselves — win your conference title games and you’re IN the playoff, bumping Miami and ND out. Both fan bases will be frustrated, but they will still control their own destiny. If they lose, they have no one to blame but themselves.

4) The committee is no longer boxed in with Bama. The problem with leaving them at #10 is they are in the playoff no matter what, even if they lose in the SEC championship game. You cannot punish a team for getting there. And even if you disagree with me about that line of thinking, it will never happen. But that’s why bumping them down one spot to #11 solves all of their problems. Now Bama can lose and they can keep them out of the playoff. It wouldn’t be a punishment anymore because they were already on the outside looking in to begin with. And after their performance the last few weeks, this isn’t a hard sell. They are not playing good football right now, so they should fall in the rankings. If they are good enough to beat UGA, then they will earn a spot back in.

5) Everything I just said above holds true for BYU. Reward them for beating Tech. If it happens, they will have earned the right to be in the playoff.

This all makes way too much sense to me. It’s a solution that would create the least amount of controversy, so, naturally, it won’t happen. The only two fan bases that will want to burn everything to the ground are Vandy and Texas.

Vandy is 10-2 without beating a single team that will finish the season ranked. At the end of the day, that’s what holds them back. Beating an 8-4 Tennessee team — who didn’t beat single power 4 team with a winning record — headlines their resume. That’s not good enough to jump any of the teams mentioned above.

Texas has 3 losses — one of them to a Florida team that we body bagged. I agree that they shouldn’t be punished for losing to Ohio State, and, in my opinion, they aren’t. Instead, you are punishing them for that Florida loss and the overtime wins against two terrible teams in Kentucky and Miss. State. They are not a consistent team, which means they don’t deserve a playoff spot.

What do you all think? @DMoney, if you’re right about Miami getting in, then I believe this is the most likely path for us.
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number 11 and 12 ranked team get left out for 2 remaining conference champion spots. they aint leaving bama out theyre fanbase .
 
I genuinely think the FPI has it pretty close to right.

1) OSU
2) IU
3) Notre Dame
4) Oregon
5) TT
6) Bama
7) Miami
8) UGA
9) Utah
10) A&M
11) USC
12) Ole MIss
13) Texas
14) Vandy
15) BYU
16) Oklahoma

I would make it:

1) OSU
2) IU
3) Oregon
4) TT
5) UGA
6) Miami
7) Notre Dame
8) Bama
9) A&M
10) Oklahoma
11) Ole Miss
12) Texas
13) Vandy
 
tdubs_truckernutz said:
number 11 and 12 ranked team get left out for 2 remaining conference champion spots
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Yes, so Bama and BYU would replace Miami and Notre Dame ONLY IF BOTH WIN. Basically 4 teams fighting for 2 spots. Miami and ND are the initial placeholders and can be replaced, but that’s only if Bama and BYU take care of business in their respective title games.

Would suck for us and ND, but it would be fair. Bama and BYU would have better resumes at that point, so we would be bumped out.

If only one of them wins, ND gets bumped and we’re still safe.

The committee shouldn’t care about Bama’s complaints. They still control their own destiny. Don’t lose to FSU if you want to be higher than 11.
 
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hurricaneman said:
I genuinely think the FPI has it pretty close to right.

1) OSU
2) IU
3) Notre Dame
4) Oregon
5) TT
6) Bama
7) Miami
8) UGA
9) Utah
10) A&M
11) USC
12) Ole MIss
13) Texas
14) Vandy
15) BYU
16) Oklahoma

I would make it:

1) OSU
2) IU
3) Oregon
4) TT
5) UGA
6) Miami
7) Notre Dame
8) Bama
9) A&M
10) Oklahoma
11) Ole Miss
12) Texas
13) Vandy
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How can the committee look at all these metrics AND the results and still say we’re outside the top 10?
 
SaiyaMan305 said:


Interesting thread and would help us tremendously... ignore his flawed logic about ND vs Miami being a moot point.

This says that vegas has Bama and the bubble teams as follows tomorrow:

9. Alabama
10. ND
11. BYU
12. Miami


THis basically avoids the option of BYU beating TTU in the Big 12 and eliminating bama from the playoffs in the case bama loses the SEC championship.

Now If BYU loses its a moot point but instead could be the final straw for the following rankings in the selection show and the last show always needs drama.

TTU wins the Big 12
UVA/ Duke Wins the ACC
Georgia wins the SEC

9. Alabama
10A. ND
10B. Miami
11. ACC champ/G5
12. G5

Final 4 teams in, what bigger shock for the last selection show than the comitte snubbing ND from the playoffs? ND is not in a conference and ESPN 's only interest is TV viewership for the playoffs but also ESPN is in business with the ACC... Seems like our best bet to be in
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Bama is gonna jump Notre Dame after beating a coach-less (5-7) Auburn by one score? Lol, that's not gonna happen.
 
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