The past ten years doesn't matter

[boxtonenyc]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

 

[Caniac16]

You mentioned two of the greatest college/football coaches of all time.

I love Richt, he isn't at the level of Carroll or Saban. Nobody is other than maybe Urban in the modern college game. It's going to take time to get back to where we wanna be.

Also, Bama and USC can do pretty much whatever they want on the trail (except for Reggie Bush which is so funny how the NCAA reacted). We don't have that luxury.

 

[DerekDohrman]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

well, richt went 11-1 in his 2nd regular season here, so there's that

and what records did carroll and saban post in their first years?

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

Problem is, that for most of these kids, Miami is a very mediocre program (almost a weak mid major) because of the poor records and awful coaches we’ve had since 2003. They view our NCs and great years in the 80’s and early 2000’s as ancient history. They weren’t alive when we were good.. In addition, we have rarely been a destination for blue chip players even when we were good. UF and FSU get those recruits, we have had to depend on great coaching to get the most out of overlooked 2 and 3 star players. Guys like PS2 are never coming here.

 

[SmokeyBear]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

well, richt went 11-1 in his 2nd regular season here, so there's that

and what records did carroll and saban post in their first years?

LMAO......10-3

 

[UMFarArcher]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

I don't know about Pete Carrol, but Nick Saban also has an army of recruiting assistants and bagmen who literally buy top recruits year after year. If anyone doubts this - then you're deaf, dumb, and blind.

The prospect purchase program has been in place for decades, and it's a highly polished, highly organized machine. Saban is without doubt a great coach - but when a great coach is immediately dealt aces and kings - the curve is somewhat shortened.

I personally want a dedicated, top-notch, hungry, Offensive Coordinator - and I doubt I'll change my mind - but it could happen. This year's team got knocked off normal game spread with the hurricane, and got knocked off our workout/practice program - and as thin as we were - when we lost a handful of key players - well, the season didn't end well.

So I'm going to wait and see what happens with our QB situation, our offensive play calling, and our defensive play calling.

THEN I'll have a distinct opinion on 'who-hit-John.'

 

[Consigliere]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

[In General] When the bar is NOTHING it is easy to outperform the bar.

 

[TheEye]

More self entitled BS. If you want Miami to win another National Title, cut a check or STFU.

 

[OldhamA]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

I don't know about Pete Carrol, but Nick Saban also has an army of recruiting assistants and bagmen who literally buy top recruits year after year. If anyone doubts this - then you're deaf, dumb, and blind.

The prospect purchase program has been in place for decades, and it's a highly polished, highly organized machine. Saban is without doubt a great coach - but when a great coach is immediately dealt aces and kings - the curve is somewhat shortened.

I personally want a dedicated, top-notch, hungry, Offensive Coordinator - and I doubt I'll change my mind - but it could happen. This year's team got knocked off normal game spread with the hurricane, and got knocked off our workout/practice program - and as thin as we were - when we lost a handful of key players - well, the season didn't end well.

So I'm going to wait and see what happens with our QB situation, our offensive play calling, and our defensive play calling.

THEN I'll have a distinct opinion on 'who-hit-John.'

Reggie Bush lost his Heisman because he was being paid under the table.

Both the examples given by the OP are dirty as ****. We can't play that game - literally or figuratively.

 

[WaterburyCane]

Can people please stop trying to compare Richt to Saban/Meyer and now Pete freakin Carroll. You are talking about 3 Hall of Fame once in a lifetime coaches. Outside of a handful like that, Richt is at/near the top of the next heap. Some of his decisions arent excuseable...for sure..he has room to be criticized and there is room for improvement. Some things he does drives me crazy too. But if you are looking for Nick Saban results at Miami, then I don't think you will ever be happy.

I'll bet part of the reason why Richt left is that Georgia/boosters wanted to start getting dirt under their fingernails and ready to play in the mud with Saban deeper than Richt was comfortable with. Smart is just the type of guy to get dirty like that. We cant afford that. The NCAA will always be on a witchhunt for us and I for one cant handle another sanction. It is what it is.

I said it in another thread....the days of Miami old school dominance where we are always better than the rest of CFB is over unless the $y$tem in place is completely overhauled and regulated where everyone is playing by the same rules.

Outside of that Im hoping and expecting Richt to win us a ship soon in a year when the stars align and the ball bounces our way in a season as well as being consistently 1 game away from the Final Four.

In the past 10 years the game has changed and our former coaches did some serious harm to our brand, roster, and local community/high school relations. It's not an excuse, its unfortunately a cold/hard fact.

 

[DerekDohrman]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

well, richt went 11-1 in his 2nd regular season here, so there's that

and what records did carroll and saban post in their first years?

LMAO......10-3

read what i said again.

and arkansas state is a W.

11-1


answer my question

 

[Fightinibis]

You mentioned two of the greatest college/football coaches of all time.

I love Richt, he isn't at the level of Carroll or Saban. Nobody is other than maybe Urban in the modern college game. It's going to take time to get back to where we wanna be.

Also, Bama and USC can do pretty much whatever they want on the trail (except for Reggie Bush which is so funny how the NCAA reacted). We don't have that luxury.

Not saying we would have ever had that luxury, but taking 13 years off after what really should have been 3 straight championships...as a small private school, well...

I went over to a Clemson site today looking at the DT that might be interested in Miami...the top two stories?

1. Venables reaches the $2 million club as all Clemson assistants get raises...

2. Clemson recruiting budget has tripled since 2010.

Says it all right there.

 

[CFLCane]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

Congrats on believing in statistical anomalies. Why dont you show us the % of teams have fired their coach after 3-4 years then won championships. Ill wait.

 

[Caniac16]

You mentioned two of the greatest college/football coaches of all time.

I love Richt, he isn't at the level of Carroll or Saban. Nobody is other than maybe Urban in the modern college game. It's going to take time to get back to where we wanna be.

Also, Bama and USC can do pretty much whatever they want on the trail (except for Reggie Bush which is so funny how the NCAA reacted). We don't have that luxury.

Not saying we would have ever had that luxury, but taking 13 years off after what really should have been 3 straight championships...as a small private school, well...

I went over to a Clemson site today looking at the DT that might be interested in Miami...the top two stories?

1. Venables reaches the $2 million club as all Clemson assistants get raises...

2. Clemson recruiting budget has tripled since 2010.

Says it all right there.

Venables makes 2 million a year? Holy ****. No wonder he doesn't care to leave and become a head coach somewhere.

 

[Texxcane]

until MR recognizes the importance of defense the song remains the same, IF we had the right qb this year we beat pitt, but still get curbstomped by Clem'son, why ? they can just line up and run it down our throat if need be because we have no front that can hang, and looks like it will be the same next year. It starts up front, thats what i like about Butch, may be the NFL and those super bowls i dont know but he gets it

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

You mentioned two of the greatest college/football coaches of all time.

I love Richt, he isn't at the level of Carroll or Saban. Nobody is other than maybe Urban in the modern college game. It's going to take time to get back to where we wanna be.

Also, Bama and USC can do pretty much whatever they want on the trail (except for Reggie Bush which is so funny how the NCAA reacted). We don't have that luxury.

You're also talking about 2001 (Carroll) and 2007 (Saban). The parity and competition in college football today has changed greatly over the past decade.

Also, 10-3 and winning the Coastal in 2017 wasn't much different than 9-4 in 2016—outside of a few games going the wrong way versus right. Could've easily lost games to the likes of Georgia Tech, Syracuse, North Carolina, etc. this year and had a 7-3 regular season.

Coastal wasn't anything special this year and 2018 has Miami going to Blacksburg, which oft decides the division.

No, coaching the past ten year doesn't excuse present day—but comparing what Carroll did 16 years ago and what Saban did 11 years ago doesn't hold water today, either.

Fact is, recruiting and depth aren't there yet—and when Miami is still losing guys like Norton and McIntosh early (while Clemson is keeping better talent like Wilkins and others), the culture is still off. Winning breeds success and the Canes are on a better track than they've even in years passed, but it's going to take another class or two to get this thing to get to the next level.

As for Richt, again, not Saban or Carroll level—as mentioned. Great man, solid coach but has never gotten over the hump. We'll see if he can reel in enough talent to make a run during what time he has left at Miami, but until the Canes have some elite talent top to bottom again, the rebuild continues.

 

[pacusmc]

Winning the national championship is an expensive proposition.
We said if we lock down sofla we will win. We pretty much did with the exception of 2 highly rated guys. Our class looks nothing like the last 10 years. 4 years ago we might land 1 or 2 of these kids. Top to bottom we are stacked. You think Jimbo or saban would recruit Chatman or brigs? No chance. Loosing out on them might be a blessing. Next year no d lineman taken will be 3 star.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

These threads are exhausting. Bunch of robots spouting off every cliche they can think of.

 

[gogeta4]

Can people please stop trying to compare Richt to Saban/Meyer and now Pete freakin Carroll. You are talking about 3 Hall of Fame once in a lifetime coaches. Outside of a handful like that, Richt is at/near the top of the next heap. Some of his decisions arent excuseable...for sure..he has room to be criticized and there is room for improvement. Some things he does drives me crazy too. But if you are looking for Nick Saban results at Miami, then I don't think you will ever be happy.

I'll bet part of the reason why Richt left is that Georgia/boosters wanted to start getting dirt under their fingernails and ready to play in the mud with Saban deeper than Richt was comfortable with. Smart is just the type of guy to get dirty like that. We cant afford that. The NCAA will always be on a witchhunt for us and I for one cant handle another sanction. It is what it is.

I said it in another thread....the days of Miami old school dominance where we are always better than the rest of CFB is over unless the $y$tem in place is completely overhauled and regulated where everyone is playing by the same rules.

Outside of that Im hoping and expecting Richt to win us a ship soon in a year when the stars align and the ball bounces our way in a season as well as being consistently 1 game away from the Final Four.

In the past 10 years the game has changed and our former coaches did some serious harm to our brand, roster, and local community/high school relations. It's not an excuse, its unfortunately a cold/hard fact.

Richt got fired...he didnt leave..they packed his sh*t and told him to go

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Stop using the previous decade of horrible coaching as an excuse for the (valid) concerns some of us have.

I get it, if you are thrilled with 10 wins and the coastal you have every right to be. It was a hella fun season. But some of us diehards expect more, and although I'm not a Richt guy, the trends are actually there for us to be better, IF we can get more out of the offense and third down defense.

Don't believe me?

In the ten years prior to Richt we went 71-56. Thats a 56% win rate.

USC in the ten years prior to Pete Carrol went 65-52. A 55% win rate.

Alabama in the ten years prior to Saban went 67-55. A 55% win rate.

Both the Trojans and the Tide went 11-2 in their second season of their renaissance, winning the 'ship in the third year.

I hope Richt finally breaks through, and follows the same trend. But if he doesn't, don't blame it on the previous ten years. IT DOESNT MATTER.

Mark Richt is not Nick Saban or Pete Carroll. How many accounts did you go through before you figured that iut?