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The other angle... a good or bad QB decision, elaboration. (Nkosi Perry throw)

Canezum5 said:




Play is from 9:45 to 10:10 mark in the above video.



Scenario: 2nd and 14 after a stuffed run put the offense behind the chains. Enos comes out in what looks to be shotgun, 12 personnel,(2 TE, 1RB) with Michael Irv 2 flexed out in the Y and the other TE(unsure) lined up inline.

Route combinations: TE: Seams
WRX: comeback
WRZ: slant/drag
RB: Flare route/ flats

Defense Typical assignments MLB: Hook-Curl, zone
WLB: Curl-Flat, zone
SLB: Hook-Curl, zone
SS: Curl-Flat, zone
CB1: Deep 3rd-zone
CB2: Deep 3rd-zone
FS: Deep 3rd-zone(middle)


The defense is in what looks to be a base 4-3 zone defense with double high safety(weird). Linebackers 4 yards off LOS, corners 5 yards off LOS, and safeties(out of screen) at least 9 yards off LOS.

At the 1st scan of the LOS Perry recognizes that Michael Irv is uncovered(immediately) and eyes the Will linebacker positioning that could possibly be a threat to him completing this throw to an uncovered Irvin. Technically that Will is supposed to have curl to flats(wrX) but he tries to cheat when he sees Irvin cross his face.

Technically the Strong safety is supposed to have curl to flats on the opposite side which would Null the Deejay play in this defense.

Two seams coming at a free safety and the QB can pick his poison based upon the safety reaction.

Based upon the defense and alignment Nkosi made the correct read. We know this because of the defense called as well as Enos saying he wants his QBs to look at alignments and pre-snap positioning as well as going through necessary progressions, basically if a mans uncovered throw it to the open fuqin guy!

Perry climbs the pocket to bide time for Irvin to get past the sticks and delivers a strike in between two defenders that were in no position to contest the throw and would not have been there if not for blowing assignments.

In my humble opinion, the entire play shows the impact Enos is having on Perry and his growth within the system.

He never did any of those things in 1 snap last season.


This is just what I see in the play. I don't claim to be an expert. I also don't think football is rocket science.
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S.CarolinaCane said:
Actually no, I read it a realized that some people, such as yourself, need more time on your hands to waste doing nothing useful.

Then I realized that people like you are helpless and useless, and I really shouldn't waste my time either.

However, occasionally I get a kick out of ****ing off the less intelligent, well, because it's just too easy.
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It took me the same amount of time to type this up as it did for you to spew this mindless drivel you posted. Who are you ****ing off? The fact that you think people care is quite amusing.

Quit while you're ahead.
 
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DTP said:
I'm still not a fan of throwing late over the middle but this angle makes it appear that Irving is certainly open where the first video appeared to be a forced throw into coverage. Situation plays a role in these types of decisions too. Early in the game or with the lead, the safe dump off is probably the preferred choice. If it's late in the game and we need to a chunk play the seam is the better option.
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Perry is still in the tackle box, i cant consider that a late throw across the middle.

You can't penalize Perry because the defense knows the play and is cheating. Perry has to expect the defense to be where they are supposed to be in the play. Those two "wide open" players would be covered and accounted for against a well coached and talented defense.Then we would be ****ed at Nkosi for not attacking the soft spot in cover .

Perry could've threw it to Irvin off the snap and still may have gotten the 1st down.
 
Liberty City El said:
It was a good throw, the only reason so many people were nitpicking it is because they're trying to discredit anything Perry does good because our fans have dug in & are fanboying for "their" QB.

Most of the fans on here don't want Perry to win the QB race, so regardless of what he does it will be dissected & picked apart negatively. And I say that as someone who believes both Jarren & Tate can lead us to a Coastal title.

Instead of just wanting the best man to win whoever it may be amongst the 3, people will be entrenched all Summer rooting for their guy, competition be damned lol.

I'm good with all 3, because unlike the situation last year we finally have a real QB competition & I fully trust that Enos will have all 3 prepared & ready to play come 8/24. The entire QB room has elevated now that we have real OC/QB coach.
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And this is why "rooting" for a particular candidate is not necessary.

Full and fair on the field competition, …. like disclosure of information from your government, …. is the greatest disinfectant.

Personally, I have a sense which of the three MIGHT win. But I'm not in the meeting room, watching tape with the coaches, seeing the workouts, etc. etc. So there is NO WAY I could say which QB is DEFINITELY performing the best overall at this point. A nd neither can anyone else on this board.
 
Liberty City El said:
It was a good throw, the only reason so many people were nitpicking it is because they're trying to discredit anything Perry does good because our fans have dug in & are fanboying for "their" QB.

Most of the fans on here don't want Perry to win the QB race, so regardless of what he does it will be dissected & picked apart negatively. And I say that as someone who believes both Jarren & Tate can lead us to a Coastal title.

Instead of just wanting the best man to win whoever it may be amongst the 3, people will be entrenched all Summer rooting for their guy, competition be damned lol.

I'm good with all 3, because unlike the situation last year we finally have a real QB competition & I fully trust that Enos will have all 3 prepared & ready to play come 8/24. The entire QB room has elevated now that we have real OC/QB coach.
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The only thing I will say, is that he chose the wrong receiver. Should have hit Wiggins on the near side out route.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
Actually no, I read it a realized that some people, such as yourself, need more time on your hands to waste doing nothing useful.

Then I realized that people like you are helpless and useless, and I really shouldn't waste my time either.

However, occasionally I get a kick out of ****ing off the less intelligent, well, because it's just too easy.
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This is a football forum and he posted something actually insightful about our team and QB play rather than the usual "DAE QB battle?!?!?" moronic threads we get here. Gtfo
 
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Canezum5 said:




Play is from 9:45 to 10:10 mark in the above video.



Scenario: 2nd and 14 after a stuffed run put the offense behind the chains. Enos comes out in what looks to be shotgun, 12 personnel,(2 TE, 1RB) with Michael Irv 2 flexed out in the Y and the other TE(unsure) lined up inline.

Route combinations: TE: Seams
WRX: comeback
WRZ: slant/drag
RB: Flare route/ flats

Defense Typical assignments MLB: Hook-Curl, zone
WLB: Curl-Flat, zone
SLB: Hook-Curl, zone
SS: Curl-Flat, zone
CB1: Deep 3rd-zone
CB2: Deep 3rd-zone
FS: Deep 3rd-zone(middle)


The defense is in what looks to be a base 4-3 zone defense with double high safety(weird). Linebackers 4 yards off LOS, corners 5 yards off LOS, and safeties(out of screen) at least 9 yards off LOS.

At the 1st scan of the LOS Perry recognizes that Michael Irv is uncovered(immediately) and eyes the Will linebacker positioning that could possibly be a threat to him completing this throw to an uncovered Irvin. Technically that Will is supposed to have curl to flats(wrX) but he tries to cheat when he sees Irvin cross his face.

Technically the Strong safety is supposed to have curl to flats on the opposite side which would Null the Deejay play in this defense.

Two seams coming at a free safety and the QB can pick his poison based upon the safety reaction.

Based upon the defense and alignment Nkosi made the correct read. We know this because of the defense called as well as Enos saying he wants his QBs to look at alignments and pre-snap positioning as well as going through necessary progressions, basically if a mans uncovered throw it to the open fuqin guy!

Perry climbs the pocket to bide time for Irvin to get past the sticks and delivers a strike in between two defenders that were in no position to contest the throw and would not have been there if not for blowing assignments.

In my humble opinion, the entire play shows the impact Enos is having on Perry and his growth within the system.

He never did any of those things in 1 snap last season.


This is just what I see in the play. I don't claim to be an expert. I also don't think football is rocket science.
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All this for ONE play in a controlled scrimmage??...
 
caneinorlando said:
All this for ONE play in a controlled scrimmage??...
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So
Does it really fuqin matter? What content are you providing on the board this off season?
Or are you here to waste time and gripe about something you don't have the versatility to accomplish?

For the record. This is an elaboration to a previous thread.

Y all sure are a bunch of critics for someone's who don't provide **** of value.
 
Canezum5 said:
So
Does it really fuqin matter? What content are you providing on the board this off season?
Or are you here to waste time and gripe about something you don't have the versatility to accomplish?

For the record. This is an elaboration to a previous thread.

Y all sure are a bunch of critics for someone's who don't provide **** of value.
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Maaannn...C'mon...Its one play....And I promise you, I need absolutely No lessons on DB play...That I can assure you of...Nobody is critiquing you, other than its ONE play in a GD scrimmage....
 
If anyone is gonna critique Kosi for ONE pass in a watered down scrimmage...I can only F-ing imagine what its going to be like in 4 months....
 
caneinorlando said:
Maaannn...C'mon...Its one play....And I promise you, I need absolutely No lessons on DB play...That I can assure you of...Nobody is critiquing you, other than its ONE play in a GD scrimmage....
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Who cares if it's one play. Honestly the entire drive is quite impressive by Nkosi. This is a response to a previous thread. It's a discussion. Some people have no clue how to evaluate or spot growth or lack thereof within a player. Post like these help some readers understand things. You can't denounce it to "one play in a GD scrimmage". One play means a lot in the grand scheme. Competition is thick.
 
I'm not faulting N'kosi for this play. The receiver had as much room to catch it as he's gonna get in the NFL. That said, if the defense knows the play (and is even cheating) why is DJ wide open, alone in space, in the flat, on a wheel route . . . ? I'd be more worried about the defense than I would about N'kosi's throw . . .
 
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Canezum5 said:
Who cares if it's one play. Honestly the entire drive is quite impressive by Nkosi. This is a response to a previous thread. It's a discussion. Some people have no clue how to evaluate or spot growth or lack thereof within a player. Post like these help some readers understand things. You can't denounce it to "one play in a GD scrimmage". One play means a lot in the grand scheme. Competition is thick.
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It would be nice to break down every passing play with an overhead or appropriately angled view. Unfortunately, this is the only clip I’ve seen where there is clearly more than one open option. I’m sure there are others...I just haven’t seen them.

The perspective criticism, if any, has to be that this is only a slice of the available plays. Each QB has probably at least 50 pass plays each between the practice games, scrimmages, and the final spring game.... and I’m sure this is what Enos and the staff was and is looking at and breaking down during the last week or so.

It goes without saying this is one play of many.. someone could still say it was the wrong call by Kosi, and even if they are wrong, have to admit that it doesn’t provide any kind of overall picture as to his overall performance.

As I’ve said 100 times before, it’s just an exercise in QB progressions and why go here instead of there, rather than something to play the gotcha game with the QB - that was never the purpose.

It’s just too bad to people use this to further an agenda, no matter who their favorite quarterback is.

And I have to be honest I don’t know who the guy is going to be, and I still don’t have a favorite. They all have their pluses and minuses. I will admit that Kosi has the biggest upside, imo, it’s just a matter of whether he has the will to get closer to his upside
 
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