the most frustrating thing about yesterday...

[Arehel]

just watching over college games, involving the likes of UCLA, Tenn, etc, just how easy they move the ball and score. They create open space for their skill guys, big plays downfield, and it looks easy and efficient. It looks modern. We looks prehistoric at times in our approach

Our old friend, Jedd Fisch, is putting up some numbers at a rebuilding Arizona program. Oregon, they are racking up numbers. Go down the line across the country.

Everything UM does offensively is a grind. Just very difficult, and they can't layer their plays to create explosive ones down the line

Yeah, I get it, our OLine is depleted, running backs are down, we need an infusion of speed outside (all of which will be addressed through recruiting and portal), but your system and play-calling have to be tailored for the current players you have. I get it, I dont expect the 2001 unit, but I would think we should average at least 20 points vs P5 teams

Last season under Lashlee we were around 35 points per game.

I dont know if this is all on Josh Gattis, but he certainly shoulders some of the blame.

My one concern about Mario was his offensive philosophy(tied into game management), and well, this season hasn't assuaged my worries in that department. It's Ok to put up 50-points on folks and just blow them out. It doesn't always have to be ground-and-pound.

I keep hearing the same thing over and over again and its frustrating and its annoying to be honest.
Look at the games with TVD where we ran up-tempo fast offense, our defense got ripped apart. Going slow on offense doesn't allow the other offense to get after our defense.
The closest and best games we've had is when this "archaic" offense had worked and done the way Cristobal has designed it. When we go uptempo, i.e., vs MTSU, vs Duke, Vs UNC we get ripped apart. When his offense work it at least gives us a shot. We're not designed to put up 40 plus or 50 plus points like Tennessee, OCs can only make up so much, but they can't dig out way out of 18 penalties, 8 turnovers etc.

If you look last year the only game we won when we score a tone of points cause our defense let up a bunch of points.

And as you said it, half, if not more if banged up, punt the year and look to the next boys.

 

[423Hurricane]

it’s fair to ask why couldn’t he attract his better choices?
Maybe those candidates didn’t buy into his offensive vision so they passed.

That’s one of many possibilities. Those that were paying attention saw that there were a number of different things that factored into why certain OC candidates didn’t take the Miami job.

 

[k9cane]

I agree with everything you just said.

Things look like a mess right now, and are a mess, because there are lots of puzzle pieces that just don't go together and you mush'em together all you want and its just not going to work. Its one of the reasons I continue to say "blame who you want" because odds are good you're right.

Just trying to enjoy what I can and watch the program develop from ground zero.

hey, party like it's 1997!!!

 

[Rellyrell]

We are small and you can’t really teach that (but you can recruit that) Only CY scares you when lining up.

But we def aren’t as explosive as we can be. The footwork is horrible. We recruit hs players that might be fast in a straight line but they are raw from a footwork respect and our coaches aren’t coaching that up. We don‘t know how to get in and out of our cuts at all. Even CY is unrefined as a route runner - his saving grace is he got size and uses it well in contested ball situations because he uses his hands.

Facts on both parts.

It’s not like we haven’t had small or smallish receivers before, but the Moss brothers, Parrish, Dorsett etc. all had both elite speed & elite quickness. Like T Hill for The Dolphins ain’t the biggest WR, but man if he don’t have elite athleticism where if u try to jam him at the l.o.s u’re toast, & if u play too far off u’re toast. Our guys footwork is sloppy af, & b/c none r quick, that lost of .5 sec to get off allows the secondary to stride w/ them.

The sad part is, not only have I seen them carry valets on deep shots, which is not “that” unusual, but even on crossing routes! That’s due to a lack of athleticism, not straight line speed.

 

[TallyCane]

The thing that kills me is the check with me on the sideline every play. Wtf is that? I didn’t play in the NFL but I’ve watched sports my whole life and this is markedly abnormal. It kills pace. We’re up against the playclock every play so it makes the snap easy to jump. We have so many effing analysts, why can’t we just call a play and run it and have a built in check down like literally every other football team coached by professionals?

Not to mention they try to draw guys offsides and it hasn’t worked once all year, nobody moves on defense when we do it. Gattis can go but Mario will have to change his offensive philosophy if we want to matter again. He didn’t change it 5 years at Oregon I’m skeptical he will do it here after 12 games.

 

[paksat]

You saw this pro set bs and how outdated it was last night with
Kentucky and Tennessee.

Kentucky was down that fast to a team and they kept trying to run and wear out clock and field position. All the sht that the old school heads talk about.

Then next thing you know they’re down by 3 td’s and inside their 10 yard line and the opposing defense is acting like a pack of sharks with chum in the water and the entire offense and the coaches are in full panic mode.

It’s time to switch it up.

I’m a Mario supporter but Virginia is a really really bad team. Like really bad.
No reason to go 4 OT’s.

meh I watched the miami dolphins run multiple I formations today, the pro set is still alive at the top the level. Kentucky just got exposed by a great play caller the same way he has exposed the rest of the teams he played.

 

[Applecane]

That’s one of many possibilities. Those that were paying attention saw that there were a number of different things that factored into why certain OC candidates didn’t take the Miami job.

Hey, could you elaborate? I can’t imagine money was a factor.

 

[KrazyCane]

UCLA and Tenn had trash offenses for how long before now??… this isn’t the final image of how Mario’s team is going to look and play on the field. Celebrate the Ws and enjoy the process. I don’t understand what are y’all expecting to see first year… a team that looks like Tennessee on offense and UGa on defense??

 

[423Hurricane]

Hey, could you elaborate? I can’t imagine money was a factor.

No doubt money was a factor
NFL jobs.
Timing.
Just to name a few.

 

[dadecountycane]

Jeff fisch was the best offensive cord we ever had smh

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

Lmfaooo ppl talking about Mario getting rid of Ponce and Mirabel. Y’all can forget about the chief

 

[Rellyrell]

his offense is certainly a drag

We have the only ground-and-pound passing attack in football...

Bro, it’s not even ground & pound; it’s simply ground. We’re not chuffing anything!

 

[canes732]

just watching over college games, involving the likes of UCLA, Tenn, etc, just how easy they move the ball and score. They create open space for their skill guys, big plays downfield, and it looks easy and efficient. It looks modern. We looks prehistoric at times in our approach

Our old friend, Jedd Fisch, is putting up some numbers at a rebuilding Arizona program. Oregon, they are racking up numbers. Go down the line across the country.

Everything UM does offensively is a grind. Just very difficult, and they can't layer their plays to create explosive ones down the line

Yeah, I get it, our OLine is depleted, running backs are down, we need an infusion of speed outside (all of which will be addressed through recruiting and portal), but your system and play-calling have to be tailored for the current players you have. I get it, I dont expect the 2001 unit, but I would think we should average at least 20 points vs P5 teams

Last season under Lashlee we were around 35 points per game.

I dont know if this is all on Josh Gattis, but he certainly shoulders some of the blame.

My one concern about Mario was his offensive philosophy(tied into game management), and well, this season hasn't assuaged my worries in that department. It's Ok to put up 50-points on folks and just blow them out. It doesn't always have to be ground-and-pound.

Nothing we do is easy. I remember we went some uptempo with TVD and moved the ball with ease but now we do none of that and snap it with 3 seconds every time it’s so bad. Also the route trees are god awful

 

[canes732]

We are 113th in run/pass ratio. This isn’t smash mouth football. That’s a myth that needs to die. This is a pass-happy offense that sucks at passing.

We need massive, fundamental changes, but the problem isn’t running too much.

I believe in Mario but it’s hard to believe in him going uptempo offense just not in an OLinemens DNA. If he can’t figure this out he will fail to be great here unfortunately

 

[UMFarArcher]

You probably turned Mario on when he got to "Everything UM does offensively is a grind"

Also I dont see the emphasis on SPEEEEEEEEED yet.. You cant watch Tenn with Hyatt running 10.4 and expect your 4.8 speed guys to duplicate


Hire guy who has ground and pound philosophy and expect him not to do what he does


We are going to have to be supremely talented team and outathlete them, Mario is about talent acquisition and run into wall neanderthal football.. Accept it and hope we can acquire the amount of talent needed and then have the develop quickly enough before younger recruits turn on message to bring in next class.. We not gonna light up scoreboards, that not Mario, he doesnt believe in it..

@Glow posted this

Wait.

Oregon is scoring all those points game after game? OREGON?

Wasn't there someone nicknamed "The Quarterback Killer" that just left the Oregon program at the end of their last season?

Could that have possibly opened up their offense?

I can't coach worth a tinkers dam, but put me at HC and I'll do whatever it takes to hire some top, innovative, creative coordinators - and let them hire their assistants. I'll stay the **** out of their way - but I'll let them know that I'll also hold them responsible.

You want to hold someone responsible - then you have to give them the necessary, required authority over their operations.

Someone doesn't have necessary full authority over anything - then they're not responsible for crap results.

 

[SayWhat]

Mario needs to realize you can have power concepts and physicality and still use finesse aspects too. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be using space instead of bodies. It makes no sense. It‘a the definition of making things harder.

BTW all of them deserve blame. The entire offensive staff and the Head man.

Bama and the rest of the elite teams can do either. You don't need bunch formations or even goaline sets to get a **** yard. It's insane what we do and when we load up in tight formations, my lord, do something other than run it up the middle.

I despised out last venture into the redzone before OT. We had single coverage on the outside as the slot guy moved up against the line. Play action a short post with that corner 5 yards off the ball and you've got the easiest TD you'll ever have. I was yelling at the television and explained my 12 year old OL player explained clear as day what should've happened there. If a 12 year old can see it, why can't Gattis and company? Was it to make a point, get all physical or whatever the ****? Mind numbing is what it was.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

We are 113th in run/pass ratio. This isn’t smash mouth football. That’s a myth that needs to die. This is a pass-happy offense that sucks at passing.

We need massive, fundamental changes, but the problem isn’t running too much.

I don’t think that most of this board is criticizing that aspect.

I think that the majority of the criticism is in relation to the awful WR route concepts, the abysmal play calling, the horrible management of the clock and timeouts, and the snail pace on offense, even while trailing by double digits in the 4th quarter this season.

Jimbo Fisher called way more passes yesterday than runs, and even though they don’t have a super explosive offense, they still scored 28 points with a new QB. They lost to Ole Miss 31-28, but at least looked competent on O. Even Jimbob’s archaic bro style O looks way better than what Gattis and Mario are presenting to us on a weekly basis.

Our offense can get 500 yds and still only score 14 points or less, that is atrocious on all levels. The name of the game for any offense, as you know, is to score points.

The worst part is that Mario spent months interviewing people for his coaching positions. The fact that this is who he chose is alarming. He could have even hired a number of OC’s from the G5 or Division II that have a history of balanced, high scoring offenses that would have most likely been light years ahead of the abject disaster that we are being subjected to each Saturday.

These guys have made 2 QB’s that last year looked like ballers look a lot worse, to the point that the same fan base that was really high on both dudes and arguing who is better last season has wanted both of them gone from the team at different points this season.

Mario must evolve or fail. I really don’t see him ever approaching championship level as a coach unless he changes his philosophy and hires a great OC and steps the **** out the way.

Great recruiter and talent evaluator, with a personality that kids and families love. Someone that he respects and trusts needs to keep it real and tell him these things. He needs an intervention, and fast.

 

[k9cane]

Bama and the rest of the elite teams can do either. You don't need bunch formations or even goaline sets to get a **** yard. It's insane what we do and when we load up in tight formations, my lord, do something other than run it up the middle.

I despised out last venture into the redzone before OT. We had single coverage on the outside as the slot guy moved up against the line. Play action a short post with that corner 5 yards off the ball and you've got the easiest TD you'll ever have. I was yelling at the television and explained my 12 year old OL player explained clear as day what should've happened there. If a 12 year old can see it, why can't Gattis and company? Was it to make a point, get all physical or whatever the ****? Mind numbing is what it was.

that last series before OT, you could just sense how scared our play-calling was. I mean, even from that close and some time left, they absolutely played to get into OT. It was hard to watch

 

[pacusmc]

meh I watched the miami dolphins run multiple I formations today, the pro set is still alive at the top the level. Kentucky just got exposed by a great play caller the same way he has exposed the rest of the teams he played.

I’ve stopped comparing nfl to cfb.
The bottle neck of talent, discipline, football iq and pure athleticism is too much. The difference between an nfl vs cfb starter is too vast and it’s an unfair comparison.

It’s also unfair to judge a millionaire who can invest all his time and money to his craft vs a 19 year old that still has to do community service and attend classes and is surrounded by players who aren’t as focused r dedicated as he is.
The nfl is full of players that at the very least have met a certain standard. The league is quick to run players out that either don’t have it in skill, heart or mind.

Can a team run multiple sets in cfb? Idk it’s probably already being done by Bama and uga. But those teams have certain standards and talent that we obviously don’t have at UM right now.