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The Mike Leach Rule (which screws Howard Schnellenberger, of course)

TheOriginalCane

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All you Pirate-suckers can be happy now that the College Football Hall of Fame made a special rule to benefit Mike Leach, while ******** over Howard Schnellenberger YET AGAIN...

This rule, quite literally, impacts FIVE eligible coaches (Rich Rod is still coaching, and two of the guys did not coach in 100 games or more).

The only person on that list with more wins than Howard is Jackie Sherrill.

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TheOriginalCane said:
All you Pirate-suckers can be happy now that the College Football Hall of Fame made a special rule to benefit Mike Leach, while ******** over Howard Schnellenberger YET AGAIN...

This rule, quite literally, impacts FIVE eligible coaches (Rich Rod is still coaching, and two of the guys did not coach in 100 games or more).

The only person on that list with more wins than Howard is Jackie Sherrill.

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There will never be another coach who is so iconic the three separate programs as Howard. If he isn't the exception to the rule, I don't know what is.
 
For crying out loud, put the bias aside. Loved what Schnelly did for UM and that 1983 season was magical, but his career record is average:

Miami 41-16
Louisville 54-56-2
Oklahoma 5-5-1
Florida Atlantic 58-74

Overall, 158-151-3

Yes, I know I'll get blasted for this post and so be it, but the #s speak for themselves
 
The idea that there is a minimum winning percentage needed to get in is fishy to begin with. Leave it up to the voters.

If somebody decides to coach for 10 years at a school that is starting a football program and also rebuilds a moribund mid-major into a respectable football program over a 10 year period, he is basically guaranteeing he has no shot at the HOF. Context should be taken into account.
 
His record is misleading.
He took a brand new program at FAU that had never had a football team and took it to a bowl game faster than any HC or school in history.

He took over a 6-5 UM team and led it to a NC in 5 years. A team that had not been in the Top 25 since 1966.

He took over a LU team that hadnt had a winning record in 7 years and went 24-9-1 his last 3 seasons including only the 4th and 5th bowl games in school history at the time.

He took over reclamation projects and other than OU, when he was out of gas, he turned all of them into winners.
 
IbzRlz said:
For crying out loud, put the bias aside. Loved what Schnelly did for UM and that 1983 season was magical, but his career record is average:

Miami 41-16
Louisville 54-56-2
Oklahoma 5-5-1
Florida Atlantic 58-74

Overall, 158-151-3

Yes, I know I'll get blasted for this post and so be it, but the #s speak for themselves
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You should be blasted for one of the ******* dumbest contextless takes I’ve ever seen on this website and that’s saying a lot. The guy had to revive two complete programs and started a third from scratch. Remind me never to read your **** again.
 
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Ispyin said:
You should be blasted for one the ******* dumbest context less takes I’ve ever seen on this website and that’s saying a lot. The guy had to revive two complete programs and started a third from scratch. Remind me never to read your **** again.
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**** Lee Corse was 28-11-3 at Louisville long before Schnelly was there. Appreciate what he did, but his record is barely 500

He was 5-5-1 at OU
 
IbzRlz said:
For crying out loud, put the bias aside. Loved what Schnelly did for UM and that 1983 season was magical, but his career record is average:

Miami 41-16
Louisville 54-56-2
Oklahoma 5-5-1
Florida Atlantic 58-74

Overall, 158-151-3

Yes, I know I'll get blasted for this post and so be it, but the #s speak for themselves
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Bruh…. do u realize where each of these programs were when he took over? Context should matter as well. So take that post, fold it up…. turn dat sombitch sideways…..
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Howard was a program builder. His record reflects that. Maybe he could have stayed at Miami and won more titles and retired an all time great but he didn’t. His entire college coaching career was going to schools and either turning the program around or in the case of FAU, literally building it from the ground up. Unfortunately builds and rebuilds aren’t usually overnight so there’s going to be some losing years along the way.
 
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IbzRlz said:
For crying out loud, put the bias aside. Loved what Schnelly did for UM and that 1983 season was magical, but his career record is average:

Miami 41-16
Louisville 54-56-2
Oklahoma 5-5-1
Florida Atlantic 58-74

Overall, 158-151-3

Yes, I know I'll get blasted for this post and so be it, but the #s speak for themselves
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Nope. You are 100% wrong.

This is where "the numbers" absolutely positively do not speak for themselves.

The Louisville build-up was miraculous. They were an Independent school, and not a very good one. Sure, they had Lee Corso until 1972, the last time they were any good. But they were in the Missouri Valley Conference, which was so bad that they didn't even get a bowl invitation in 1972 with 9 wins. So Corso left for Indiana.

For the next 12 years, Louisville averaged 4.33 wins per season. Louisville was 2-9 the year prior to Schellenberger taking over. Between 1957 and 2001, the ONLY Louisville coach to get a bowl win was Howard (twice, going 2-0 in bowls).

And without Howard, there's no way that Louisville gets into Conference USA (though that is the reason Howard left, as he didn't feel C-USA could ever compete for a national championship), and without C-USA Louisville doesn't get into the Big East, and if Louisville never gets into the Big East, they sure as **** never make it into the ACC.

As for FAU, we can all quibble about the smaller number of wins, but we have to remember that Howard built that program FROM SCRATCH. From NOTHING. From zero-point-zero to something where Lane Train Kiffin could vault himself to an SEC job.

Howard took FAU from I-AA to the Sun Belt Conference, and FAU has since gone to C-USA and now the AAC. Howard took FAU to two bowl games (both wins, 2-0). FAU has an on-campus stadium. What else can be said, NONE OF THAT happens without Howard Schnellenberger.

So, yeah, "the numbers" absolutely positively do not speak for themselves when it comes to what Howard rebuilt at Louisville and built at FAU.
 
Felonious Monk said:
Is the College Football Hall of Fame really a Hall of Fame when it omits a coach who resurrected or built three different programs?
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It's a "Hall of Statistics".

We need to make sure that when folks like @IbzRlz visit the Hall, they are suitably impressed by seeing coaches with a .595 winning percentage (and no national championships) and are not turned off by seeing coaches with a .511 winning percentage (and one national championship).
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
It's a "Hall of Statistics".

We need to make sure that when folks like @DTP visit the Hall, they are suitably impressed by seeing coaches with a .595 winning percentage (and no national championships) and are not turned off by seeing coaches with a .511 winning percentage (and one national championship).
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Don't you mean @IbzRlz?
 
RF-4CCane said:
His record is misleading.
He took a brand new program at FAU that had never had a football team and took it to a bowl game faster than any HC or school in history.

He took over a 6-5 UM team and led it to a NC in 5 years. A team that had not been in the Top 25 since 1966.

He took over a LU team that hadnt had a winning record in 7 years and went 24-9-1 his last 3 seasons including only the 4th and 5th bowl games in school history at the time.

He took over reclamation projects and other than OU, when he was out of gas, he turned all of them into winners.
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Check again...his last 3 seasons at Louisville he went 5-6, 9-3 and 6-5 for a total of 20-14. If you include 1991 when he went an amazing 2-9, his last 4 seasons totaled 22-23, so the program actually went downhill.

The 24-9-1 stretch was the middle of his reign. He did win 2 bowl games, 1990 and 1993.
 
Ispyin said:
You should be blasted for one the ******* dumbest context less takes I’ve ever seen on this website and that’s saying a lot. The guy had to revive two complete programs and started a third from scratch. Remind me never to read your **** again.
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It ain't easy to be the dumbest on this site but I agree 100%
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Nope. You are 100% wrong.

This is where "the numbers" absolutely positively do not speak for themselves.

The Louisville build-up was miraculous. They were an Independent school, and not a very good one. Sure, they had Lee Corso until 1972, the last time they were any good. But they were in the Missouri Valley Conference, which was so bad that they didn't even get a bowl invitation in 1972 with 9 wins. So Corso left for Indiana.

For the next 12 years, Louisville averaged 4.33 wins per season. Louisville was 2-9 the year prior to Schellenberger taking over. Between 1957 and 2001, the ONLY Louisville coach to get a bowl win was Howard (twice, going 2-0 in bowls).

And without Howard, there's no way that Louisville gets into Conference USA (though that is the reason Howard left, as he didn't feel C-USA could ever compete for a national championship), and without C-USA Louisville doesn't get into the Big East, and if Louisville never gets into the Big East, they sure as **** never make it into the ACC.

As for FAU, we can all quibble about the smaller number of wins, but we have to remember that Howard built that program FROM SCRATCH. From NOTHING. From zero-point-zero to something where Lane Train Kiffin could vault himself to an SEC job.

Howard took FAU from I-AA to the Sun Belt Conference, and FAU has since gone to C-USA and now the AAC. Howard took FAU to two bowl games (both wins, 2-0). FAU has an on-campus stadium. What else can be said, NONE OF THAT happens without Howard Schnellenberger.

So, yeah, "the numbers" absolutely positively do not speak for themselves when it comes to what Howard rebuilt at Louisville and built at FAU.
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And Larry Coker built the UTSA Roadrunners from SCRATCH, from NOTHING and went 4-6 his first year as an FCS Independent then went 8-4 and 7-5 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Just like with Louisville, Howard had a few great years at FAU (2003, 2004) but finished the last 3 years 5-7, 4-8 and a pathetic 1-11.

Howard finished with 13 winning seasons and 13 losing seasons and one tie (OU at 5-5-1).

I agree he did some great things and had a memorable career, I just don't think 158-151-3 with half his seasons being losing seasons is a HOF career. The powers-that-be agree with me. Good day
 
Nolan Ryan had a .526 winning %.
Should the Hall have overlooked his strikeouts and no hitters and held him out for a very pedestrian win rate?

Worst winning % of all HOF starting pitchers in the last 100 years, who were not inducted for their hitting.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
Nolan Ryan had a .526 winning %.
Should the Hall have overlooked his strikeouts and no hitters and held him out for a very pedestrian win rate?
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Well Ryan has the record for most strikeouts and most no-hitters in a career...what did Howard lead CFB in his coaching career?

You probably think Namath deserves to be in the HOF because he won a super bowl (arguably the biggest upset of all-time) in spite of a career record below .500, and 173 TD vs 220 interceptions
 
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