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The Mike Leach Rule (which screws Howard Schnellenberger, of course)

IbzRlz said:
Well Ryan has the record for most strikeouts and most no-hitters in a career...what did Howard lead CFB in his coaching career?

You probably think Namath deserves to be in the HOF because he won a super bowl (arguably the biggest upset of all-time) in spite of a career record below .500, and 173 TD vs 220 interceptions
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Nope. I don’t think Namath should be in the HOF and I’m torn on Stabler.
 
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IbzRlz said:
And Larry Coker built the UTSA Roadrunners from SCRATCH, from NOTHING and went 4-6 his first year as an FCS Independent then went 8-4 and 7-5 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Just like with Louisville, Howard had a few great years at FAU (2003, 2004) but finished the last 3 years 5-7, 4-8 and a pathetic 1-11.

Howard finished with 13 winning seasons and 13 losing seasons and one tie (OU at 5-5-1).

I agree he did some great things and had a memorable career, I just don't think 158-151-3 with half his seasons being losing seasons is a HOF career. The powers-that-be agree with me. Good day
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What in the actual **** are you talking about, dip****?

Larry Coker has coached enough games and has a high enough winning percentage to be considered for the CFHOF. If they vote him in, so be it.

You're bringing up complete bull**** to make a moronic argument. If Coker gets into the CFHOF, it will be based solely on what he did at UM. If Howard gets into the CFHOF, it will be due to what he did at UM, as well significant 10 and 11 year rebuild/build efforts at Louisville and FAU. Not the 5-year cup-of-coffee that Coker had at UTSA.

You make such terrible arguments. "Stats. Oh, you don't like my stats, allow me to restate my stats." Over and over and over again. Stupid.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What in the actual **** are you talking about, dip****?

Larry Coker has coached enough games and has a high enough winning percentage to be considered for the CFHOF. If they vote him in, so be it.

You're bringing up complete bull**** to make a moronic argument. If Coker gets into the CFHOF, it will be based solely on what he did at UM. If Howard gets into the CFHOF, it will be due to what he did at UM, as well significant 10 and 11 year rebuild/build efforts at Louisville and FAU. Not the 5-year cup-of-coffee that Coker had at UTSA.

You make such terrible arguments. "Stats. Oh, you don't like my stats, allow me to restate my stats." Over and over and over again. Stupid.
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I was pointing out that Coker did the same thing at UTSA that Howard did at FAU, so it's not that big of a deal.

Howard's last 4 seasons at Louisville he went 22-23 so he didn't actually leave the program in a great state. His last 4 seasons at FAU he went 17-32 including 1-11 his last season, meaning the team was ****! In other words, his remarkable rebuild didn't leave the program in that great of shape upon him leaving.

Amazing how someone like you who thinks they are always the smartest dude in the room can't handle facts and resorts to profanity when someone disagrees with you.
 
RF-4CCane said:
His record is misleading.
He took a brand new program at FAU that had never had a football team and took it to a bowl game faster than any HC or school in history.

He took over a 6-5 UM team and led it to a NC in 5 years. A team that had not been in the Top 25 since 1966.

He took over a LU team that hadnt had a winning record in 7 years and went 24-9-1 his last 3 seasons including only the 4th and 5th bowl games in school history at the time.

He took over reclamation projects and other than OU, when he was out of gas, he turned all of them into winners.
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NOBODY in the history of college football built programs from (less than) nothing, and turned them into successes the way Howard did. It was never done before, and unlikely to be done again THREE times.

In the words of Joe Brodsky, one of the GOAT's: "Howard when he was coaching, was one of the top 5 or 10 best head coaches in all of football, at any level, college or NFL."

Anyone who doesn't understand this doesn't know football.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
All you Pirate-suckers can be happy now that the College Football Hall of Fame made a special rule to benefit Mike Leach, while ******** over Howard Schnellenberger YET AGAIN...

This rule, quite literally, impacts FIVE eligible coaches (Rich Rod is still coaching, and two of the guys did not coach in 100 games or more).

The only person on that list with more wins than Howard is Jackie Sherrill.

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Jackie Sherrill did have a bull castrated in the middle of practice as motivation once.

Stop pretending any corch is like him.
 
IbzRlz said:
For crying out loud, put the bias aside. Loved what Schnelly did for UM and that 1983 season was magical, but his career record is average:

Miami 41-16
Louisville 54-56-2
Oklahoma 5-5-1
Florida Atlantic 58-74

Overall, 158-151-3

Yes, I know I'll get blasted for this post and so be it, but the #s speak for themselves
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Kind of a sidebar here, but I wonder how many of the dudes talking about reviving and rebuilding programs as a reason to look beyond the winning percentage for Schnellenberger also bash Mario for not winning enough/fast enough. Not making any accusations nor am I suggesting that the rebuild factor shouldn’t be considered. Maybe it’s zero. Just honestly curious.
 
Pirate is one of if not the most influential coach of his generation. The modern game has his fingerprints and coaching tree all over it. He deserves to be in as soon as possible and im glad they changed the rule to get him in sooner. We win more national titles in the alternate timeline we hired Mike Leach on Donald Trump's recommendation and single handedly change the sport of football forever. But that is neither here nor there.

Howard Schnellenberger not already being in sucks ***.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Kind of a sidebar here, but I wonder how many of the dudes talking about reviving and rebuilding programs as a reason to look beyond the winning percentage for Schnellenberger also bash Mario for not winning enough/fast enough. Not making any accusations nor am I suggesting that the rebuild factor shouldn’t be considered. Maybe it’s zero. Just honestly curious.
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I’ve never bashed Mario believing he should have won faster.

My only criticisms of Mario are the common sense stuff, take a kneel, take a FG instead of going for a 4th and 16 in chip shot range, the Gattis hire. But I said the same about Butch and I was a Butch supporter from day one.

That said, no matter how much people want to believe that Mario took over a disaster, it really doesn’t equate to the long term losing mentality that UM and LU had when Howard took over.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
What in the actual **** are you talking about, dip****?

Larry Coker has coached enough games and has a high enough winning percentage to be considered for the CFHOF. If they vote him in, so be it.

You're bringing up complete bull**** to make a moronic argument. If Coker gets into the CFHOF, it will be based solely on what he did at UM. If Howard gets into the CFHOF, it will be due to what he did at UM, as well significant 10 and 11 year rebuild/build efforts at Louisville and FAU. Not the 5-year cup-of-coffee that Coker had at UTSA.

You make such terrible arguments. "Stats. Oh, you don't like my stats, allow me to restate my stats." Over and over and over again. Stupid.
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He's defended Manny and thinks him and Mario are similar level coaches because of their records at Miami, TrumpyCane thinks you should excuse him for his stupidness

He probably thinks Larry Coker is a much better coach than Schnelly because he has a better record
 
IbzRlz said:
I was pointing out that Coker did the same thing at UTSA that Howard did at FAU, so it's not that big of a deal.

Howard's last 4 seasons at Louisville he went 22-23 so he didn't actually leave the program in a great state. His last 4 seasons at FAU he went 17-32 including 1-11 his last season, meaning the team was ****! In other words, his remarkable rebuild didn't leave the program in that great of shape upon him leaving.

Amazing how someone like you who thinks they are always the smartest dude in the room can't handle facts and resorts to profanity when someone disagrees with you.
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You might want to take a step back and look at the big picture here. By bringing up Coker, you just made the argument that record isn't everything.

Schnellenberger belongs in the HOF.
 
There is no doubt that Leach was influential and left his mark in college football with the air raid offense.
But so was Howard. He brought the Pro Set and an NFL style passing game to college football which left just as much of a legacy.

Keep in mind that the Big 8 in the early 80’s was running the wishbone and the Big 10 and SEC were running oriented with simple passing attacks.

JJ largely adopted Howard’s offense and with that, Butch, Coker and many other college coaches.
Howard completely changed offensive philosophy in college football.
That’s a big part of why we are TE-U. No one utilized the TE and FB’s in the same manner Howard did, and other than Erickson, it has largely left its mark on UM football for decades to come.
 
If Schnelly had stayed he might have become the Saban of the 1980's.

Of course, Jimmy would have gone to Texas with all that Oil and Booster money, and JJ wouldn't have had to deal with Tad Foote's silliness, so there's that....
 
DTP said:
Howard was a program builder. His record reflects that. Maybe he could have stayed at Miami and won more titles and retired an all time great but he didn’t. His entire college coaching career was going to schools and either turning the program around or in the case of FAU, literally building it from the ground up. Unfortunately builds and rebuilds aren’t usually overnight so there’s going to be some losing years along the way.
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Bobby Bowden certainly believed that. He thought Howard would have been the all time leader in wins had he stayed at Miami. He knew Howard was an elite coach.
 
Oh jeez, a deceased man who’s not related to me (may he rest in peace) isn’t going to make the HOF. I better spend this Sunday getting unreasonably upset about something that has no impact on my life whatsoever.
 
JD08 said:
You might want to take a step back and look at the big picture here. By bringing up Coker, you just made the argument that record isn't everything.

Schnellenberger belongs in the HOF.
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Why would I want to step back from the Coker comment? Show me where I ever said Coker should be in the HOF, or even that he was a good coach...you can't because I never said that.

I mentioned Ole Clappy because most, if not everyone, on this board knows he was the luckiest coach in history to take over UM in 2001 and win a NC. He also "built" UTSA from scratch just like Howard did with FAU.

Schnellenberger "built" FAU from scratch, but if you look at his record there, he finished 17-32 his last 4 years, including an abysmal 1-11 his last year. That isn't really building a program IMO, merely he was the one who started the program and had a couple of really good years before the program became abysmal.

As for Louisville, they were 10-23 the 3 years prior to Howard and 8-24-1 Howard's first 3 years there...they were actually worse under him. Most coaches would have been fired with this record. He had a great year in 1990 when he went 10-1-1 and a really good year in 1993 when he went 9-3. But he followed up that 10-1-1 record with a 2-9 record in 1991, completely falling off the cliff. His last 4 years there he went a combined 22-23.

He had a losing record at FAU and Louisville, a .500 record for his 1 season at OU, and a winning record at UM. I don't feel that is a HOF career but acknowledge that you do and that is fine with me.

Bottomline, we can agree to disagree and do it like adults as you and I have. I knew when I made my post that @TheOriginalCane would respond with his facts, then I would respond with my facts, and then he would resort to profanity and name-calling, which is exactly what he did and what he usually does. There is no reason to berate or try to bully other people because they don't share your opinion, but that is his modus operandi. Sad thing he is, he offers a lot to the board, but if someone disagrees with him, rather than agree to disagree, he reverts to profanity and name-calling. I seriously doubt he would do that in person, although I would love for him to try. Cheers
 
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IbzRlz said:
Why would I want to step back from the Coker comment? Show me where I ever said Coker should be in the HOF, or even that he was a good coach...you can't because I never said that.

I mentioned Ole Clappy because most, if not everyone, on this board knows he was the luckiest coach in history to take over UM in 2001 and win a NC. He also "built" UTSA from scratch just like Howard did with FAU.

Schnellenberger "built" FAU from scratch, but if you look at his record there, he finished 17-32 his last 4 years, including an abysmal 1-11 his last year. That isn't really building a program IMO, merely he was the one who started the program and had a couple of really good years before the program became abysmal.

As for Louisville, they were 10-23 the 3 years prior to Howard and 8-24-1 Howard's first 3 years there...they were actually worse under him. Most coaches would have been fired with this record. He had a great year in 1990 when he went 10-1-1 and a really good year in 1993 when he went 9-3. But he followed up that 10-1-1 record with a 2-9 record in 1991, completely falling off the cliff. His last 4 years there he went a combined 22-23.

He had a losing record at FAU and Louisville, a .500 record for his 1 season at OU, and a winning record at UM. I don't feel that is a HOF career but acknowledge that you do and that is fine with me.

Bottomline, we can agree to disagree and do it like adults as you and I have. I knew when I made my post that @TheOriginalCane would respond with his facts, then I would respond with my facts, and then he would resort to profanity and name-calling, which is exactly what he did and what he usually does. There is no reason to berate or try to bully other people because they don't share your opinion, but that is his modus operandi. Sad thing he is, he offers a lot to the board, but if someone disagrees with him, rather than agree to disagree, he reverts to profanity and name-calling. I seriously doubt he would do that in person, although I would love for him to try. Cheers
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I didn't say step back from your comment. I said your bringing up Coker doesn't make the argument you think it does. Schnellenberger is revered by three different schools and shocked college football by building a small private school with a mediocre football program into a dynasty.
 
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