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The Mark Stoops thread

JayCane20 said:
I loved Tom Herman. Still think he would be a very good OC under someone like Mario.

He just didn't turn Texas around as fast as they wanted him to. Hard to compete with Oklahoma and Texas A&M recruiting and similar to Miami - everyone is there recruiting the guys you want. They haven't been relevant in over a decade. Too many whiffs recruiting the trenches and at LB. Didn't really have a good enough DC.

A lot of his own doing. Typical G5 to premier level of CFB job failure that happens every single time it seems. Happened to everyone except Brian Kelly. Herman probably learns from mistakes and rebounds and kills it at his next stop. It takes getting fired to look in the mirror and figure it out.
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Well remember who their DC was at one point
 
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Cane6 said:
Take those same Kentucky teams and and put them in the ACC and the record jump by 10 wins easy

Stoops isn’t my preferred pick, but if given the option to go back in time and have Manny or Stoops I’d def take Stoops
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No they don’t. He has multiple 5-7 win teams. Beating Vanderbilt, Miss State and Tennessee doesn’t make your team good. Those aren’t 10 win teams anywhere.

And the question is will he be a great coach, not better than Manny
 
Go Canes!! said:
No they don’t. He has multiple 5-7 win teams. Beating Vanderbilt, Miss State and Tennessee doesn’t make your team good. Those aren’t 10 win teams anywhere.

And the question is will he be a great coach, not better than Manny
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You are a god **** idiot if you think a middle of the road team in the SEC doesn’t win more games in the weaker ACC

But you’ve said alot of dumb things on this board before so carry on
 
gacaneaddict said:
I would go with:

1.)Urban Meyer-Rumors are he doesn't like the NFL. Make a call, dig for interest. He is already in Florida.

2.)Hugh Freeze-Very good offensive minded head coach
3.)Bob Stoops-Kick the tires see if he misses coaching? I remember he has a home in South Florida. He obviously missed it enough to get back in coaching XFL.
4.)Mario-He isn't as good a coach as the top 3, but he should improve discipline, and he is a nasty recruiter.

After that you have Lane Kiffin, Mark Stoops, and Neal Brown ON THE CALL LIST.

That is a real coaching search. No need to pay for a firm.

If you reply and say these are pipe dreams, then that tells you the root issue.

The administration, because if you really cared about football and school success, this would be your target.

We know that they don't, and won't though.
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What's the worst thing we can do?... expect the Hecht clowns to do that... how else did we come up with Coker, Radio, Folden and Manure?
We major in stupid decisionmaking ..
 
Alex Del Piero said:
Mark Stoops is a good plan C imho, we could do a lot worse.

Going by tiers with realistic names, I got:

Mario tier 1, Lane-Freeze tier 2, Schiano-Stoops-Napier tier 3.

I'm also intrigued by Jeff Hafley and Jamey Chadwell.
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I would can Bill Clark before Stoops.
 
Cane6 said:
You are a god **** idiot if you think a middle of the road team in the SEC doesn’t win more games in the weaker ACC

But you’ve said alot of dumb things on this board before so carry on
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No I don’t think a 5 win team from last year is a 10 win team in the ACC. They played four ranked SEC teams last season and scored a combined 29 points in those games. They lost to Bama 63-3.

He’s had plenty more like that team. Just cause you’re in the sec doesn’t make your team better.

Calm down man.
 
JayCane20 said:
I like Freeze. I think he's the equivalent to Kiffin maybe a small step down. I think he wins 10 games here with ease and has us in the playoffs when/if he gets a 1st round type at QB. Dan Mullen type offensive guru with a higher recruiting ability.

As far as us hiring him or not based on his past.. I'm gonna lean towards them avoiding that as long as who is in charge is still here.
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Also I dont know if his family would like the south Florida lifestyle especially his wife
 
razrcane said:
Also I dont know if his family would like the south Florida lifestyle especially his wife
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That's a factor I never really consider when looking into these things unless it's a guy like Mario that is from down here or someone that as expressed an affinity for the area like Kiffin.

The only ones that know that are the coach and their wife/family.

That being said.. I can see it. He's got it made at Liberty and it's beautiful up there and a great campus. He always seemed like an SEC college town guy to me anyway. Same could have been said for Jimmy, Dennis, and Butch though.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
No I don’t think a 5 win team from last year is a 10 win team in the ACC. They played four ranked SEC teams last season and scored a combined 29 points in those games. They lost to Bama 63-3.

He’s had plenty more like that team. Just cause you’re in the sec doesn’t make your team better.

Calm down man.
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You’re using his career record of 52-50 as an indicator of him being a good coach or not.

My point is that during his tenure at Kentucky, if you were to take every team he coached and swapped the SEC schedule for an ACC schedule, his teams would have a better record, likely at least 10 more wins.
 
JayCane20 said:
That's a factor I never really consider when looking into these things unless it's a guy like Mario that is from down here or someone that as expressed an affinity for the area like Kiffin.

The only ones that know that are the coach and their wife/family.

That being said.. I can see it. He's got it made at Liberty and it's beautiful up there and a great campus. He always seemed like an SEC college town guy to me anyway. Same could have been said for Jimmy, Dennis, and Butch though.
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With Freeze you have to take into account his past. There's a lot of temptation in South Florida and vices are easily accessible. I don't know if his wife will want him playing with fire considering the past issues with Tampa escorts.
 
Cane6 said:
You’re using his career record of 52-50 as an indicator of him being a good coach or not.

My point is that during his tenure at Kentucky, if you were to take every team he coached and swapped the SEC schedule for an ACC schedule, his teams would have a better record, likely at least 10 more wins.
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Idk. I'd say he'd always between 8-10 wins a year in the ACC. Hard to say. Kentucky is still Kentucky and exclusively ranks in the bottom 4-6 teams in the conference in recruiting. Never beat Georgia, beat Florida once, lost most games to UT, lost more than he won against Miss State. He did beat up on Vandy. Doesn't exactly translate to 10+ wins every year.

If he recruited at Miami and pulled in top 2-3 ranked classes in the conference and played an ACC schedule.. sure he probably wins 10+ a year. But I'm not making that claim of his Kentucky teams coming in and running through an ACC schedule. They seemingly always lack a good QB.

His biggest wins are 2018 against a 10 win UF team and 2018 against Penn State in the Citrus Bowl. That's a good season but outside of 2018 I'm having a hard time seeing him as an upgrade the more i look into it.
 
His teams have Played Florida close a bunch and beat them once, never beat UGA, had a rough time against UT, beat up on Vandy, USCe, and usually Missouri. Losing record to Louisville. Idk I can’t see it. Had I not just dove into his schedule since he’s been there i would have probably been ok with it.

Outside of 2018.. that’s a fireable resumé even at UK. I guess see how his 2021 plays out and maybe change my mind
 
JayCane20 said:
After that 2018 season i would have loved to have him and overlooked everything else because of the season he had.

I'd like to see more upsets vs some good SEC teams. He's had some good games against UF and beat them once. It's Kentucky... but I just don't see him bringing any schematic edge similar to what Mullen did at Miss St. He makes us more competitive but I don't see anything more than 9-10 wins.

Mario gives you a dominant edge in recruiting, Kiffin and Freeze = offense and recruit themselves.

We could do worse. A lot would depend on his staff. I could see him bringing Dorsey to be the OC but I'm not sure how attached he is to his current OC that he took off the Rams staff.

I'd put Stoops in the same bucket as Napier but Napier has more wiggle room because he has the Alabama and Clemson pedigree and connections.. and he calls his own offense meaning he has more to spend on a DC and can scoop up some killers on the recruiting trail.
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I like Napier a lot but he's stalking the LSU job. Plus, he already turned down USC east and Auburn.
 
Once&FutureCane said:
I like Napier a lot but he's stalking the LSU job. Plus, he already turned down USC east and Auburn.
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I don’t blame him turning down South Carolina. Idk if I can believe that about him turning down auburn.

He’d be a good fit at LSU. He has a ton of guys on his current staff with Louisiana connects.
 
JayCane20 said:
I loved Tom Herman. Still think he would be a very good OC under someone like Mario.

He just didn't turn Texas around as fast as they wanted him to. Hard to compete with Oklahoma and Texas A&M recruiting and similar to Miami - everyone is there recruiting the guys you want. They haven't been relevant in over a decade. Too many whiffs recruiting the trenches and at LB. Didn't really have a good enough DC.

A lot of his own doing. Typical G5 to premier level of CFB job failure that happens every single time it seems. Happened to everyone except Brian Kelly. Herman probably learns from mistakes and rebounds and kills it at his next stop. It takes getting fired to look in the mirror and figure it out.
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Andddddd who had a short tenure as DC in the timeframe you’re saying led to their demise? 😂 😂 😂
 
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MaketheUgreatagain said:
Andddddd who had a short tenure as DC in the timeframe you’re saying led to their demise? 😂 😂 😂
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Manny Diaz at Texas was way before that. Charlie Strong and Tom Herman (and his defensive staff) equally sucked at recruiting Linebackers that led to that debacle. It was already pretty far down before Charlie but neither of them did anything to fix it.
 
One thing people don't talk about with Stoops enough is that he seems to have a good eye for assistants. Case in point, they hired an OC this year who has made them incredibly fun to watch and explosive and has some Joe Brady vibes.

Also seems to always have solid OLines...this year no exception.

He's done a job there, turned them from an automatic W to a tough out, which is tough to do at that school with that recruiting footprint in that conference. Agree that he's behind Mario and Lane and those dudes, but if what we need is a guy that come in and install discipline in the core areas (tackling, blocking, penalties) we could do a **** of a lot worse.
 
Mark Stoops is probably the most realistic name out there right now IMO when you factor in $, willingness to come to Miami, prior HC experience, and Miami ties.

One thing people have to realize is that we aren't going to land a coach without some type of ? surrounding him. Whether it's overall experience, G5 to P5 transition, P5 coaching record at a lesser program, etc. The main questions are "Is this guy a good football coach? Do his teams look prepared and play to or above their talent level?" Everything else is secondary. We can't miss on this next one.
 
Canes Legacy said:
Mark Stoops is probably the most realistic name out there right now IMO when you factor in $, willingness to come to Miami, prior HC experience, and Miami ties.

One thing people have to realize is that we aren't going to land a coach without some type of ? surrounding him. Whether it's overall experience, G5 to P5 transition, P5 coaching record at a lesser program, etc. The main questions are "Is this guy a good football coach? Do his teams look prepared and play to or above their talent level?" Everything else is secondary. We can't miss on this next one.
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I’ve been saying we can’t miss on the next one since Shannon. Ugh. But this time I really really mean it.
 
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