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The irony (and detriment) of conference expansion

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Last year, the ACC, out of desperation and self-preservation, made an illogical move to add Cal, Stanford, and SMU to the conference (and Miami was dumb enough to vote FOR it). This was an overreaction and irrational response, out of fear and without strategy, to the expansion going on around them. This was also an attempt to preserve their TV deal in case 3 programs left the conference.

Well, yesterday, Cal beat SMU. And as a result, sent Duke to the ACCCG.

The irony? This may result in NO TEAMS making the CFP this year.

In addition, our loss to SMU may end up keeping us out of the playoffs as well.

Even last year, SMU kept a Clemson/Miami matchup from happening (even after we lost to Syracuse)

Moral of the story?

The ACC's expansion has been BAD for the conference.

Jim Phillips is a terrible commissioner and should be fired.
 
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The ACC is trash.

Rad and Miami:

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To expand a conference without divisions and know half the teams will not play each other and often have 0-2 common opponents and not work in a realistic tie breaker is a fire able offense. Especially with it leading to a CFP birth and potential loss of revenue from it.

The ACC is the laughing stock of CFB. While we are ****ed we got left out imagine being GT who actually beat them head to head, they’re ranked ahead of them and have 2 less losses overall but you get left out. I’d use it as a legal challenge to get out of the GOR due to the damage it does to individual brands.
 
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Calinative said:
Just change the tiebreakers to be
1. Head to Head (and H2H sweep in 3 way tie)
2. CFP Rankings

Literally solves the issues.

And if you don't want to wait till Tuesday for CFP rankings final week, you can use some computer ranking that tries to mimic the committee
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That doesn’t prevent a decent team from getting the luck of the draw and not having to play one good team. See SMU last year and Virginia this year.
 
edge said:
That doesn’t prevent a decent team from getting the luck of the draw and not having to play one good team. See SMU last year and Virginia this year.
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It works itself out imo. Ultimately UVA had 1 Conference loss. They SHOULD be in the ACC Champ game. They beat FSU, Louisville, VTech, UNC. In a normal year those are top half of league teams in general with really Miami, Clemson, Gtech/SMU/Pitt missing. Easy schedule sure. They also beat Duke who finished with 2 losses as well. Who DESERVES to be in ACCCG over UVA? Only reasonable team would be GTech or SMU. But like SMU lost to Wake same as UVA. But SMU also just lost to Cal who UVA beat. GTech lost to NCSt in conference who beat UVA (but out of conference and by less than GTech lost to them by). But otherwise they got blown out by Pitt at home. Both beat Duke, VTech. UVAs win against Louisville was better than GTechs win against Clemson this year... GTech did beat Wake on road...

Idk seems to me the ACC Rankings should be like
Miami >> UVA > GTech > SMU > Louisville > Pitt > Duke > NCSt/Cal/Wake/Clemson > The rest.

CFP rankings likely end up being exactly that too.
But because UVA had best record and then it was a five way tie at 6-2, it should have gone:
1. UVA
2a. Miami
2b. GTech
2c. SMU
2d. Pitt
2e. Duke
7a. Louisville
7b. etc...
 
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Calinative said:
It works itself out imo. Ultimately UVA had 1 Conference loss. They SHOULD be in the ACC Champ game. They beat FSU, Louisville, VTech, UNC. In a normal year those are top half of league teams in general with really Miami, Clemson, Gtech/SMU/Pitt missing. Easy schedule sure. They also beat Duke who finished with 2 losses as well. Who DESERVES to be in ACCCG over UVA? Only reasonable team would be GTech or SMU. But like SMU lost to Wake same as UVA. But SMU also just lost to Cal who UVA beat. GTech lost to NCSt in conference who beat UVA (but out of conference and by less than GTech lost to them by). But otherwise they got blown out by Pitt at home. Both beat Duke, VTech. UVAs win against Louisville was better than GTechs win against Clemson this year... GTech did beat Wake on road...

Idk seems to me the ACC Rankings should be like
Miami >> UVA > GTech > SMU > Louisville > Pitt > Duke > NCSt/Cal/Wake/Clemson > The rest.

CFP rankings likely end up being exactly that too.
But because UVA had best record and then it was a five way tie at 6-2, it should have gone:
1. UVA
2a. Miami
2b. GTech
2c. SMU
2d. Pitt
2e. Duke
7a. Louisville
7b. etc...
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Exactly, every other conference is too big just like the ACC and do not have divisions. The difference is the ACC went with this stupid multiple tiebreaker instead of basing it on playoff ranking. If other conferences do not already have playoff ranking as the 2nd tiebreaker after H2H, I predict they will all add it as I would assume the ACC will do the same thing as soon as they can hold a vote.

Also, the move to a 9 game conference schedule will help avoid this situation in the future. If they could move to divisions again, that would be even better.
 
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CaneinBroward said:
Exactly, every other conference is too big just like the ACC and do not have divisions. The difference is the ACC went with this stupid multiple tiebreaker instead of basing it on playoff ranking. If other conferences do not already have playoff ranking as the 2nd tiebreaker after H2H, I predict they will all add it as I would assume the ACC will do the same thing as soon as they can hold a vote.

Also, the move to a 9 game conference schedule will help avoid this situation in the future. If they could move to divisions again, that would be even better.
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Only way divisions work imo is by seeding the divisions based on previous years results. That way it's not static. Just go down the standings list and alternate teams.
 
The ACC is a conference full of teams that will never be good themselves but absolutely love to play spoiler. You can say, "well, if Miami just won all it's games it wouldn't be a problem". My response is it's very, very hard to go undefeated in the regular season. Saban only did it twice. The greatest team in Miami history almost suffered two losses.

You need to be propped up by the teams you lose to. That's just the reality of today. The now infamous Narduzzi quote is all you need to know about this conference.

They would all happily go 8-4 if it got them into the ACCCG. In fact, you could even go 7-5 and still make the game.
 
Calinative said:
Only way divisions work imo is by seeding the divisions based on previous years results. That way it's not static. Just go down the standings list and alternate teams.
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However you want to do it as long as there are 2 sets of teams that each play the same opponents in their particular division to get the most worthy participants in the championship game.
 
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