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UMercury21 said:
easy to be a no star kid when you came out of high school before there was a star system.
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Even with a no star system, he was a lowly recruited kid and was a second or third options for a lot of top tier programs
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
I think its Mike Rumph

Rumph: I was a 4 star and I turned out to be the biggest bust in 49ers history. I better never sign anyone higher than a 3 star, otherwise they may turn into a bust like me.
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Even if the players are considered a high school star player; Patrick Peterson before he went to LSU was thought of as the best corner back in that recruiting cycle.. And during his whole draft process, he was the 5th overall draft pick. But there were still mock draft experts and so forth questioning if his nfl position is as a safety or at corner.. & One of the main stats used was at the underwear Olympics was he had bad combine workout numbers.. With those combine drills that's supposed test each players agility in the lower body.

Brandon Harris who was known as hands the second best at corner but the best word to describe his resume with Miami was "Solid." Its called coaching.
Astcloud11 said:
No reason why we suck. Rumph has only been signing 4*s since he's been here
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And if they aren't considered "4 star athletes" he coaches the players up to out perform what others may not notice.. Malek Young was the best or second best "Corner back" right with 3-Star Mike Jackson who performed easily like a 4-star recruit. Trajan Bandy who was primarily played the slot, with Malek Young & Mike Jackson playing the hashes was forced on the outside after Malek Young suffered a career ending injury.

Not every "High school star student athlete" plays as well as they used to; Apparently though a majority of college fans forget some of the opposing teams in high school like both sides on the line of scrimmage.. That some of the running backs that are considered for the Heisman and similar awards are the same size as the defensive lines;

Ray Lewis added about "Thirty to Forty LBs of Muscle" once he entered the Ravens weight room after he was drafted to become one of the leagues best players ever for his given position.. At Miami he was known more for his speed and sideline ability then being a heavy hitter with the Ravens.. He still had sideline to sideline speed in his earlier nfl years, & with his added muscle weight, he hit hard but never really concussed anyone; Sean Taylor was alike how in the nfl his playing weight was different year to year until he found the right diet and routines; They both were always known as the leagues hardest tacklers but knew how to punish dudes with clean hits.
 
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Kempo Cane said:
Not according to our roster!
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People only say that because they want to pretend we have a lot of diamonds in the rough.

Yeah, I know that Butch's classes weren't rated that highly, except for 2001. (Nominally Coker's class, although since he had been coach for about a week before signing day it's a little silly to credit him for that class.)

However, this isn't even 1999 anymore, let alone 1987.
 
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UMercury21 said:
easy to be a no star kid when you came out of high school before there was a star system.
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Wrong! There were multiple recruiting newsletters and various ratings systems, some including a variety of star systems.

Thousands of kids were "rated" though the guys doing it were less capable.

Russ Maryland was NOWHERE to be found on ANY list. Tells you how deep a sleeper he was. He signed a day late after some of our more coveted targets signed elsewhere. I remember the news reports....fat kid with odd name out of a non-football power public high school Whitney Young...I'm like, "Oh, great. What a lousy class."
 
Mike Rumph was good enough to star for the Rose Bolk champs, get drafted in the first round. And now he's such a good coach he turned Malek Young & Mike Jackson into excellent players compared to the high school mock draft system. Malek had a tragic neck injury which cut his career short, he was ascending though.. Given the stereotype of being on short for a corner on the hashes, he was the best man to man corner on the team. Mike was the perfect compliment on the other side of the defense.

Malek Young & Mike Jackson were both considered only "Three star high school athletes" that Mike Rumph coached up to perform as if they were always "Four star dudes." Same with Trajan Bandy who played the slot his freshman season who some "Experts?" had as only a three star student-athlete as well.
 
dumbo said:
Recruiting rankings were around long before the internet. It's just that about 5 people followed recruiting rankings.

I never heard of recruiting rankings until I started going on the internet in 1999. And it wasn't until about a year ago that I realized recruiting rankings have been around since at least the 1970s. I kind of assumed that recruiting rankings had begun around no earlier than about 1995.
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"Five people followed recruiting rankings"?

Pretty dumb comment....one of the worst I've seen. Were you around in the '80's and early '90's?

Obviously not. It's just that it was done differently. Numerous print newsletters and magazines: Emfinger, Superprep, Tom Lemming, G&W, Bill Buchalter, etc.

I got them all...had friends that did, too. Many like, Buchalter, had telephone recording updates for which your phone bill was charged. There were radio shows in various cities...it was more expensive but there were many around the country who followed recruiting.

And many of the more widely followed teams had popular newspapers like Blue and Gold. UF and FSU (Osceola?) had popular newspapers that were subscribed to by mail.

It's easier and cheaper now, and the evaluations, both in quality and breadth are probably better, but recruiting was at least fairly big in the '80's.
 
TheMatador said:
Wrong! There were multiple recruiting newsletters and various ratings systems, some including a variety of star systems.

Thousands of kids were "rated" though the guys doing it were less capable.

Russ Maryland was NOWHERE to be found on ANY list. Tells you how deep a sleeper he was. He signed a day late after some of our more coveted targets signed elsewhere. I remember the news reports....fat kid with odd name out of a non-football power public high school Whitney Young...I'm like, "Oh, great. What a lousy class."
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Some of the greatest nfl players at their given position signed to play at Miami with completely different positions.

Eric Winston & Warren Sapp both enrolled as tight ends; Bryant McKinnie was a transfer, Clinton Portis was the starter in 2001 but Miami was one of the few schools to offer him for running back.. Scouting these "Young individuals" is just as difficult as scouting for the transition from these schools for the professionals [Money wall].

One of the biggest learning curves used was always & still known to be the terminology is a complete-180, from the college ranks compared to the nfl. Steve Young when he talks about Terrell Owens nfl resume; He always states how Bill Walsh would state how Terrell Owens had the best "Football I.Q." out of every player that he coached.. Including Joe Montana who is still widely regarded as one of the best to ever play his position between - Joe Montana & Tom Brady.. By former players from the starters, all stars, all pros, hall of fame players, to the majority of every front office personal too.

@OriginalGatorHater
Ray Lewis: When he was considered to be hands down the very best MLB by fellow players & pretty much every front office executive; There were still - water boy's or fans who were never good enough to make a practice squad, and etc.. That claimed he was overrated because he had Sam Adams & Tony Siragusa being on the same tea. When it comes to literally the fantasy football experts, or listening to hall of fame and fellow nfl individuals - I'll always take the actual athletes opinion. As they know what it takes to be called the very best at any position in the NFL.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
It was a joke. However, your statement is also not true. He has not "only signed 4 stars". No, he is not the only reason why we suck, but if he was able to land better talent at CB our secondary wouldn't get shredded as often.
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So who is all of the talent he missed? I suspect I know the names you'll bring up, so how would you land them? We aren't losing top tier talent to programs on our level, but instead conference contenders and teams with national championship aspirations.

We got guys like you lighting the coaches asses on fire, saying we're trash, so why do you think elite recruits would think otherwise. Send your kid here? Nope, but **** Rumph and everyone else if they don't ink the best kids around.

They gotta build up the talent and win games, then we've got a chance. This isn't powerhouse Miami we all fell in love with, but instead a broken down 15 year old product that needs a ton of work. It doesn't happen overnight, but if you're going to judge someone's body of work, you have to realize the current decade and half has put us where we are in recruits minds. They're looking at the old heads talking about the glory years and saying nah, that ***** past and here's current.
 
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SayWhat said:
So who is all of the talent he missed? I suspect I know the names you'll bring up, so how would you land them? We aren't losing top tier talent to programs on our level, but instead conference contenders and teams with national championship aspirations.

We got guys like you lighting the coaches asses on fire, saying we're trash, so why do you think elite recruits would think otherwise. Send your kid here? Nope, but **** Rumph and everyone else if they don't ink the best kids around.

They gotta build up the talent and win games, then we've got a chance. This isn't powerhouse Miami we all fell in love with, but instead a broken down 15 year old product that needs a ton of work. It doesn't happen overnight, but if you're going to judge someone's body of work, you have to realize the current decade and half has put us where we are in recruits minds. They're looking at the old heads talking about the glory years and saying nah, that ***** past and here's current.
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I don't blame the parents for not wanting their kids to get coached up by Rumph. That is the issue. We should have coaches, that parents want their kids to be coached by.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
I don't blame the parents for not wanting their kids to get coached up by Rumph. That is the issue. We should have coaches, that parents want their kids to be coached by.
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Well given Mike Rumph's track record with coaching up the corners beyond their high school status; He might turn a "Five-star" recruit into a top 10 nfl draft selection.

Besides the fact with more depth or star power, lets say. Its less wear and tear on the body for whoever wants to play in the nfl. This website always states about the recruiting of high school athletes how some of them are "self centered - pre-madonnas."

"You can't have your cake and eat it (too)"
 
afan said:
Well given Mike Rumph's track record with coaching up the corners beyond their high school status; He might turn a "Five-star" recruit into a top 10 nfl draft selection.

Besides the fact with more depth or star power, lets say. Its less wear and tear on the body for whoever wants to play in the nfl. This website always states about the recruiting of high school athletes how some of them are "self centered - pre-madonnas."

"You can't have your cake and eat it (too)"
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Ya like he corched Dee Delaney from a 1st round pick to a UDFA.
 
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