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" The disease "

ObjectiveCane said:
It’s something I sure can’t explain other than disease! I mean we recruit 4 stars at receiver and we have three four star QBs, Four stars al over the defense and yet we keep getting our **** pushed in.

Add the fact that no matter who we put on the Oline, hire different Oline coaches and yet it still looks like the same product! I don’t get it!
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Been asking myself the same question for years now: Coker, Shannon,Golden, Richt, and now Diaz. Doesn't matter who the coach is, this dumpster fire continues. Team always looks messy, confused, bumbling, fumbling and a catastrophe on one side or the other of the ball. Now it's the non-existent OL, before, the defense. Special teams have been butt-ugly forever. There just doesn't seem to be any fix for these problems anywhere. We've settled in to being a consistent 7 win team no matter who is in charge. It seems to be our ceiling most years. It has become so frustrating that I can't watch a whole game anymore.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
"There are players on the roster with more experience that could have started and won the game, but Manny chose the starters based on potential and where he sees them at the end of the season. TIFWIW."

Who exactly are you referring to? Just curious.
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Check the 2-deep, but mostly at tackle. We had guys that have been here a little longer and may have been able to get off the ball better on the ends. At QB Manny used the word potential as a major factor in that decision and, while Jarren showed tremendous talent, it's conceivable other guys may not have held the ball as much.
 
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Manny has coached one game......1 dam game and here you go. Dammit will you guys EVER give anybody a chance to put their stamp on this program before you start with this stuff?
 
ObjectiveCane said:
It’s something I sure can’t explain other than disease! I mean we recruit 4 stars at receiver and we have three four star QBs, Four stars al over the defense and yet we keep getting our **** pushed in.

Add the fact that no matter who we put on the Oline, hire different Oline coaches and yet it still looks like the same product! I don’t get it!
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A big part of it in my opinion is that this has been the dumbest team in the ACC ever since it joined. I mean that in the sense that collectively, the team has consistently played dumb football for a decade and a half. Penalties and doing stupid s*** even when you know full well the refs are going to be looking for every little thing. Pointless block-in-backs on positive plays, etc, the list can go on and on.

Even over that time period, during down years, there is no team in the ACC Coastal that can match Miami's talent. This garbage division is set up for the Canes to win it every single year, yet it's happened only once. Why is that? Well, say what you will about teams like Duke, GT, and UVA, but for the most part, those teams don't play like a bunch of morons. Basically, they all try to play mistake-free ball above everything else, and wait for Miami to make idiotic errors. This often works out for them.

This is the phenomenon that I think of as "the disease."
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Check the 2-deep, but mostly at tackle. We had guys that have been here a little longer and may have been able to get off the ball better on the ends. At QB Manny used the word potential as a major factor in that decision and, while Jarren showed tremendous talent, it's conceivable other guys may not have held the ball as much.
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Assuming you're talking about Herbert and Hillery, you're just guessing, imo. You talk to some close to the team and they'll tell you they are backup types - not bonafide starters. They have a track record showing this whereas JC and Zion have shown better play in practice. I disagree with your assumption that Manny could have started other guys and won. That arguement strains credulity. ****, he didn't start Robert Knowles@!
 
So you started a thread got your feelings hurt because you got no response so you decided to reply to it yourself. Welcome to 2019
 
AUcane said:
Assuming you're talking about Herbert and Hillery, you're just guessing, imo. You talk to some close to the team and they'll tell you they are backup types - not bonafide starters. They have a track record showing this whereas JC and Zion have shown better play in practice. I disagree with your assumption that Manny could have started other guys and won. That arguement strains credulity. ****, he didn't start Robert Knowles@!
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I'm talking about the OL in general, but history suggests Scaife and Donaldson (who both played tackle last season) would have been better at tackle than what we had. I'm not guessing there. Then the guard positions could likely have been back-filled in a way to have a better overall performance, IMO. Nelson was stuck in his stance after the ball was snapped and blown by several times, so I think it's your argument that best exemplifies credulity.
 
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Mahoney-Pearson said:
I'm talking about the OL in general, but history suggests Gaynor and Donaldson (who both played tackle last season) would have been better at tackle than what we had. I'm not guessing there. Then the guard positions could likely have been back-filled in a way to have a better overall performance, IMO. Nelson was stuck in his stance after the ball was snapped and blown by several times, so I think it's your argument that best exemplifies credulity.
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Gaynor never played tackle here so there's that. Of course one can argue (successfully, probably) that ND and Scaife could have played better at tackle than Zion and JC. I think the coaches felt that a very strong interior (ND-CG-Scaife) was preferable to an OL that was not particularly strong across the board if they put Scaife-Reed-Gaynor-Zion-Hillery in there instead. Nobody on the board can say that OL would have fared better. You're arguing make believe stuff.
 
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Having the middle three stronger than the outside is definitely an advantage if you want to run up the middle.
 
AUcane said:
Gaynor never played tackle here so there's that. Of course one can argue (successfully, probably) that ND and Scaife could have played better at tackle than Zion and JC. I think the coaches felt that a very strong interior (ND-CG-Scaife) was preferable to an OL that was not particularly strong across the board if they put Scaife-Reed-Gaynor-Zion-Hillery in there instead. Nobody on the board can say that OL would have fared better. You're arguing make believe stuff.
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Yes--meant Scaife (since corrected), hence backfilling the guard positions. Glad we agree.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Yes--meant Scaife (since corrected), hence backfilling the guard positions. Glad we agree.
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Nah, you missed my point. Coaches had to pick their poison - weak on the inside or weak on the outside. FWIW, coaches had more of a comfort level with Zion/JC starting than they did Reed/Hillery/HErbert starting.
 
Hes saying if we put our better dudes at tackle (where they've played before), and backfilled the guards with unproven guys, with a solid gaynor in the middle, it would have been better.

And hes right. Also, that if Tate Martell played QB, his in game experience at Ohio state would have resulted in quicker decision making. Potentially seeing Jeff Thomas running wide open all night. And his scrambling ability would have resulted in way less sacks and tfls, and way more positive plays.


It's all conjecture but its solid analysis.
 
HamburgerSV said:
So you started a thread got your feelings hurt because you got no response so you decided to reply to it yourself. Welcome to 2019
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Look Manny himself said it " The disease " harsh way to put it and when he said it few reporters or fans latched on to the comment. I think it was worth repeating and the response second time around was solid. I wrote that thread with what Jimmy J clearly articulated and what has lacked around here for years. It's called focus. A thought many of this boards readership clearly lacks. Some of you segway right out of a topic as soon as it begins. Dare I use harsher words to call it ?
 
AUcane said:
Nah, you missed my point. Coaches had to pick their poison - weak on the inside or weak on the outside. FWIW, coaches had more of a comfort level with Zion/JC starting than they did Reed/Hillery/HErbert starting.
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All of that was very obvious.

AUcane said:
Gaynor never played tackle here so there's that. Of course one can argue (successfully, probably) that ND and Scaife could have played better at tackle than Zion and JC. I think the coaches felt that a very strong interior (ND-CG-Scaife) was preferable to an OL that was not particularly strong across the board if they put Scaife-Reed-Gaynor-Zion-Hillery in there instead. Nobody on the board can say that OL would have fared better. You're arguing make believe stuff.
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You're obfuscating my premise... Scaife-Reed-Gaynor-Dolandson-Campbell could have played better and all have been on campus at least 2 years. The tackles are on islands and more easily exposed than interior linemen, who can help one another more naturally. I suppose the staff preferred chipping w/RBs from the edges than dealing with face pressure, which makes perfect sense, but to say there couldn't have been a better OL combo--in this particular moment/game--is a bit credulous.

Manny said he wasn't building a team for 8/24, which is a clear indication potential weighed heavily into the decisions. I look forward to seeing how both tackles respond on Saturday and which of the back-ups develop this year a la Scaife.
 
Cane since 1060 said:
Look Manny himself said it " The disease " harsh way to put it and when he said it few reporters or fans latched on to the comment. I think it was worth repeating and the response second time around was solid. I wrote that thread with what Jimmy J clearly articulated and what has lacked around here for years. It's called focus. A thought many of this boards readership clearly lacks. Some of you segway right out of a topic as soon as it begins. Dare I use harsher words to call it ?
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disagree. the disease is quitting when facing adversity.
 
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