The D should improve and here's why

Were we really that much better on defense this year? (or were our opponents worse?)

Genuinely asking.

I understand we were great at producing TO's, Sacks and TFL's...but any DC who employs an aggressive 1-gap scheme will produce TFL's and Sacks at Miami. We have athletes up front. So I don't put too much stock in those stats. If anything, it's reflective of Kul's coaching not Manny's scheme.

I'd trade some of those stats for a better 3rd down percentage and not allowing mediocre QB's to carve up the middle of our defense.

We didn't get any better at covering the middle of the field from 2016 to 2017 so please help me understand why we would be any better in 2018.
Please make me feel better about this.

I just don't see it. I've said it before, as long as our LB's/DB's continue to stare at the QB during pass plays then we will struggle to defend the intermediate/middle of the field.

I am no Xs and Os guy but isnt the majority of our Defensive schemes heavily dependent on pressure and/or a pass rush? Seems like our D started becoming average as the year went on because our pass rush wasnt as dominating as it was at the beginning and middle of the year. And Diaz didnt adjust. I could be wrong.

No, you're not wrong. However, I think some of the OC's we saw countered our pass rush with a quick passing game, which has been a thorn in our side all season. A quick/short passing game negates an elite pass rush, and we struggled to cover those routes.
 
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Were we really that much better on defense this year? (or were our opponents worse?)

Genuinely asking.

I understand we were great at producing TO's, Sacks and TFL's...but any DC who employs an aggressive 1-gap scheme will produce TFL's and Sacks at Miami. We have athletes up front. So I don't put too much stock in those stats. If anything, it's reflective of Kul's coaching not Manny's scheme.

I'd trade some of those stats for a better 3rd down percentage and not allowing mediocre QB's to carve up the middle of our defense.

We didn't get any better at covering the middle of the field from 2016 to 2017 so please help me understand why we would be any better in 2018.
Please make me feel better about this.

I just don't see it. I've said it before, as long as our LB's/DB's continue to stare at the QB during pass plays then we will struggle to defend the intermediate/middle of the field.

I am no Xs and Os guy but isnt the majority of our Defensive schemes heavily dependent on pressure and/or a pass rush? Seems like our D started becoming average as the year went on because our pass rush wasnt as dominating as it was at the beginning and middle of the year. And Diaz didnt adjust. I could be wrong.

No, you're not wrong. However, I think some of the OC's we saw countered our pass rush with a quick passing game, which has been a thorn in our side all season. A quick/short passing game negates an elite pass rush, and we struggled to cover those routes.

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Not only will Nesta start day 1 but he will be our best dlinemen. Idc about S&C. Idc that he’s a true freshman. He is going to dominate the second his foot touches the practice field. He is a different breed.
 
Our defense was on the field for wewaayy too long. If we improve our TOP and get better leads..... huge difference

Third and longs was more the issue than the offense. The D underachieved , especially with that Dl depth ( that's now gone).

As for it improving ,I can't see how it improves after losing 4 of the 5 best dl, without replacing them with equal talent. There's going to be a pretty big talent drop off there.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
He said that Chad was the most consistent. He said Chad wasnt a difference maker or a player that DCs had to gameplan for..and hes right.

Yeah, wrong. It’s incredible how people will discount some of our best players to delude themselves.

Maybe our definition of "difference maker" is different. Mine is: A player that a Defensive Coordinator has to account for on every play.

Chad was a steady performer and a consistant player but no DC ever went into a meeting room saying "we need to find a way to stop Chad Thomas or he will lose us this game"...

There isnt nothing wrong with that. Dont make me out to be like Im bashing him. He had a good season. But whether we miss him or not remains to be seen because I think we all expect JJ and Garvin to take that next step. And DJax when healthy is the most underrated DLineman we had. Chad isnt irreplaceable.

OK, then there are like two “difference makers” in the NFL and none in college football.

LOL. Okay man. You win. Major 9 was the **** and what ever will we do now that he isnt on the D.

For the record, if DJax comes back healthy he can give us the same production Chad did if not more as DJax also has the ability to play DT and be **** good at it on passing downs. JMO.

But I digress.

Stomping your feet like a child doesn’t make you right.
 
our defense will remain mediocre until we fix the zone defense. Its awful, holes everywhere which is why qb's get so many easy completions against us.

But why is it awful, I ask? Execution or scheme? Or both?

I always thought you are in a hole playing zone on 3rd down, you have to be able to play man on 3rd?
 
our defense will remain mediocre until we fix the zone defense. Its awful, holes everywhere which is why qb's get so many easy completions against us.

But why is it awful, I ask? Execution or scheme? Or both?

I always thought you are in a hole playing zone on 3rd down, you have to be able to play man on 3rd?

Not every coordinator is elite at their job. You are asking why as if Manny doesnt have a history of getting carved up. Its not like this is some out of the ordinary result for this scheme.

Irony is FSU hired a guy that runs the defense we all wish we were running, while we have a Chuck Amato disciple running our D.
 
our defense will remain mediocre until we fix the zone defense. Its awful, holes everywhere which is why qb's get so many easy completions against us.

But why is it awful, I ask? Execution or scheme? Or both?

I always thought you are in a hole playing zone on 3rd down, you have to be able to play man on 3rd?

Not every coordinator is elite at their job. You are asking why as if Manny doesnt have a history of getting carved up. Its not like this is some out of the ordinary result for this scheme.

Irony is FSU hired a guy that runs the defense we all wish we were running, while we have a Chuck Amato disciple running our D.

I was asking why, as just like, why? Your answer indicates you think its the schematics of our zone D, thus on manny, correct? Not disagreeing, I truly want to know what makes his zone D suck. What elements?

A "great" DC like radio, for example, has no genius scheme, he runs the same cover 2, and its as good as its players. Are you saying manny's zone D, HIS SCHEME, is wanting? I'd like to know how. Serious, not sarcastic, I really know not why.
 
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Were we really that much better on defense this year? (or were our opponents worse?)

Genuinely asking.

I understand we were great at producing TO's, Sacks and TFL's...but any DC who employs an aggressive 1-gap scheme will produce TFL's and Sacks at Miami. We have athletes up front. So I don't put too much stock in those stats. If anything, it's reflective of Kul's coaching not Manny's scheme.

I'd trade some of those stats for a better 3rd down percentage and not allowing mediocre QB's to carve up the middle of our defense.

We didn't get any better at covering the middle of the field from 2016 to 2017 so please help me understand why we would be any better in 2018.
Please make me feel better about this.

I just don't see it. I've said it before, as long as our LB's/DB's continue to stare at the QB during pass plays then we will struggle to defend the intermediate/middle of the field.

I am no Xs and Os guy but isnt the majority of our Defensive schemes heavily dependent on pressure and/or a pass rush? Seems like our D started becoming average as the year went on because our pass rush wasnt as dominating as it was at the beginning and middle of the year. And Diaz didnt adjust. I could be wrong.

No, you're not wrong. However, I think some of the OC's we saw countered our pass rush with a quick passing game, which has been a thorn in our side all season. A quick/short passing game negates an elite pass rush, and we struggled to cover those routes.

We didn't exactly look great in man the last 3 to 4 games. Our current set of corners were exposed.

Unless I'm wrong it looks like we don't pattern read with our linebackers. They look like they are spot dropping which to me is insane especially against spread teams.

Really ashame because our secondary gets drastically better with the addition of 2018 kids. Campbell commits and he starts. I saw enough in the Army game to tell he is the goods. Losing McIntosh and Norton to a lesser extend really hurts on throwing downs.
 
1. All major contributors for our secondary come back. Combine that with the new blood we already have signed (and possibly might have coming) and that improves.

2. Speaking of our linebackers... this is the year that we've been waiting for ever since Mark started 3 true frosh at LB. Some have made the argument that this unit had a sophomore slump. Whatever. Bye bye 2017. I believe we will see that unit take a major step forward as clear leaders and the heart of the defense. Linebacker improves.

3. I hate losing Chad, as he was not only a steady performer but also a leader!. He wasn't, however, a huge difference maker. This is meant no disrespect to him and I really believe that he could blossom in the pros in a way that he didn't here. But, teams were never terrified that they were facing #9 . That being said, with JJ, Jack and Garvon returning and all three being trained by Kool from day one, I expect more performance out of the DE position. Overall, I think we'll see more speed, and sudden violence from that group, the kind of which we haven't seen since probably 2001. We need more depth, but help is on the way. This improves.

4. It sucks to lose our starting DT's. I wish them well, but I also believe it is a mistake for them to leave early. With the rest of the D being older, in better condition and fully trained and ensconced in our D system plus Kool's tutelage, they could have really shone brightly. Having said that, if we sign Nesta and a couple others, I have a feeling that the net result will feel like our D is just fine and hopefully dominant.

I have hopes and doubts about Willis and whether he's a Greentree allstar, but, if he truly does play like they say he's played in practices this season, and Ford really does devote himself to S&C and Kool's training, and Bethel takes a step forward, we will be fine. Would we be better if 80 and 7 stayed? Of course! But, if everyone else comes to together, the net result will be that we are no worse off. Having Nesta sign with us and be special in his Frosh year, which he totally has the capacity to do, would aid in this.

5. Final thought - our ferocious D of 1991. We had an amazing Secondary. We had junior linebackers who has played together since they were frosh and could almost read each other's minds. We had fast DE's like Rusty, Darren, Kevin, etc. But, can you easily rattle off our 4 deep at DT that year? Obviously some of you can, but my point is - that particular D (unlike the 89' D which had two NFL all pros as our starters) performed without AA's at the position.

That 91' D was absolutely fast and light absorbingly suffocating, and they did this with good and adequate DT play, but not incredible DT play. The heart of that team was in it's back 7 and was supported by its DE's.

Our 2018 D has an opportunity to reflect the 91' D. Optimistically, next year's crew actually has the potential to get better DT play than 91'.

Not saying they will be as good as the 91' version, but I do believe they can be effective. And, if either Kosi or Jarren can take the reins, the 2018 Offense has more offensive firepower, IMO, at the skill positions.

The offense will be slightly above AVERAGE next season if the O-line doesn't make a MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!:thumbsup_kid: dUh. So it really doesn't matter who the QB is next season. Because it all starts with the O-line. hUh.
 
Let's hope. I think with another year in the system and a better secondary we could absolutely be better on defense. People bash Manny for his schemes towards the end of the year but many times players didn't communicate or filled the wrong gaps. In the bowl game alone, we had players in position all night long and they simply didn't make the plays. On every one of their TD passes we had a DB within arms reach of making the play but they either didn't turn to locate the ball or did so and just missed tipping/intercepting the ball. And to make matters worse I believe 3 of the 4 TD passes were on 3rd and long. We just have to be stronger and execute much better and I think we could improve a lot.

Yeah. The kid from Wisconsin had ALL NIGHT to complete those TD passes. Then throw in the FACT, that those Johnny Rebel good ol' boy ref's from the SEC gave him a HELPING non-whistle and what not.:11263364213_e8bdef3 hUh.

Again, U give an average QB FIVE SECONDS pocket protection, he's going to naturally carve up a pass defense. hUh.
 
Were we really that much better on defense this year? (or were our opponents worse?)

Genuinely asking.

I understand we were great at producing TO's, Sacks and TFL's...but any DC who employs an aggressive 1-gap scheme will produce TFL's and Sacks at Miami. We have athletes up front. So I don't put too much stock in those stats. If anything, it's reflective of Kul's coaching not Manny's scheme.

I'd trade some of those stats for a better 3rd down percentage and not allowing mediocre QB's to carve up the middle of our defense.

We didn't get any better at covering the middle of the field from 2016 to 2017 so please help me understand why we would be any better in 2018.
Please make me feel better about this.

I just don't see it. I've said it before, as long as our LB's/DB's continue to stare at the QB during pass plays then we will struggle to defend the intermediate/middle of the field.

I am no Xs and Os guy but isnt the majority of our Defensive schemes heavily dependent on pressure and/or a pass rush? Seems like our D started becoming average as the year went on because our pass rush wasnt as dominating as it was at the beginning and middle of the year. And Diaz didnt adjust. I could be wrong.

I think your boy Diaz was OUT COACHED in several games the latter part of the season.:puzzled: Thankfully the turnovers and the offense came to the rescue and all that.
 
I think the infusion of secondary talent, plus another year of experience for the returning guys will allow Diaz to play a lot more man defense. Maybe he won't be so hesitant to use nickle with the abundance of skilled corners we'll have in 2018. I have to assume that they played so much base against spread teams for personnel reasons last year.
 
I think the infusion of secondary talent, plus another year of experience for the returning guys will allow Diaz to play a lot more man defense. Maybe he won't be so hesitant to use nickle with the abundance of skilled corners we'll have in 2018. I have to assume that they played so much base against spread teams for personnel reasons last year.

Diaz is a zone based coach. His base defense is 2-read, a zone coverage. His blitzes are based off fire zones.

In fact this exact situation happened in Texas where fans wanted and his DB coach wanted him to play more man, and then THAT was cited as an excuse for why his defense sucked there.

Its so much more than zone or man, 4-3 or 3-4. His defense this year was exactly in line with his career. Why would it be different?
 
Sad fact: ain’t gonna happen because Manny Diaz is our DC

He’s been a subpar to mediocre DC his entire career, and even though many cane fans want to believe things will be different with Miami talent, history is always our best teacher.

He is who we thought he was (Denny green voice)

Well, Doritos could still be our DC...how would you like that...
 
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Not only will Nesta start day 1 but he will be our best dlinemen. Idc about S&C. Idc that he’s a true freshman. He is going to dominate the second his foot touches the practice field. He is a different breed.

Aren't you the guy who claimed we were getting grat news on our DTs returning?
 
Sad fact: ain’t gonna happen because Manny Diaz is our DC

He’s been a subpar to mediocre DC his entire career, and even though many cane fans want to believe things will be different with Miami talent, history is always our best teacher.

He is who we thought he was (Denny green voice)

Well, Doritos could still be our DC...how would you like that...

What does Dorito have to do with it? So we should be satisfied bc our defense is now better than the worst in the country? Talk about a low bar.
 
Sad fact: ain’t gonna happen because Manny Diaz is our DC

He’s been a subpar to mediocre DC his entire career, and even though many cane fans want to believe things will be different with Miami talent, history is always our best teacher.

He is who we thought he was (Denny green voice)

Well, Doritos could still be our DC...how would you like that...

What does Dorito have to do with it? So we should be satisfied bc our defense is now better than the worst in the country? Talk about a low bar.
 
I think the infusion of secondary talent, plus another year of experience for the returning guys will allow Diaz to play a lot more man defense. Maybe he won't be so hesitant to use nickle with the abundance of skilled corners we'll have in 2018. I have to assume that they played so much base against spread teams for personnel reasons last year.

Diaz is a zone based coach. His base defense is 2-read, a zone coverage. His blitzes are based off fire zones.

In fact this exact situation happened in Texas where fans wanted and his DB coach wanted him to play more man, and then THAT was cited as an excuse for why his defense sucked there.

Its so much more than zone or man, 4-3 or 3-4. His defense this year was exactly in line with his career. Why would it be different?

****.
 
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