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The Cloud Should've Never Been An Excuse

Rellyrell

Rellyrell

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We all hate beating a dead horse; however this particular horse's head continues to rear its ugly self whenever Golden is asked about the mediocrity that has surrounded this program under his tenure.

The fact is, Golden has had it pretty cush here, especially on the recruiting front during this cloud. Since 2011, Golden's avg. class rank has been 19th in the nation, including a stellar 2012 class that ranked in the top 10 AFTER it was discovered that Miami was being investigated.

A recent article from another outlet discussed teams that have succeeded DESPITE low ranked classes. They were as follows:
North Dakota St (more on them in a second)
K-State
Duke
Marshall
TCU
Boise St

North Dakota St is an interesting take. Although they are a FCS school, they've won the last 4 national titles in the FCS division, but most importantly, they are 6-0 against FBS opponents and have won all of them on the road and 5 of the 6 wins have come against schools w/in the so called Power 5 conference. Not even Golden can say that throughout his coaching career. Their avg. class rank has been 177th in the nation.

K-State since 2011 (same year as Golden becoming our head coach) has gone a combined 38-14 (.731 win pct) w/ 2 double digit win seasons. Not bad for a program whose avg. class ranked has been a "dismal" 58th in the nation over the last 4 years and is led by a coach who was born around the same time Noah built an ark.

Duke...oh the used to be laughing stock of the ACC, has avg a class ranking of 63rd in the nation since 2011. Yet, they have a record of 28-24 over the last four years (dang near the same as Golden, with one caveat). However they've won 10 games AT LEAST once, and they have a ACC Coastal Crown under their belt (No, Golden cannot claim either during his tenure here)

Marshall class ranking has been a pedestrian 64th in the nation since 2011, yet they've had two double digit winning seasons back to back and almost went undeafeated last year.

TCU, how I envy them. Their avg. class ranking has been 34th in the nation, yet they have been in discussions for potential national title hopes in 2 of the last 4 years.

Boise St...the guys who play on blue turf. They're avg. class ranking has placed them at 59th in the nation, yet they have won 10+ games in 3 of the last 4 years (including going 12-2 with a brand new head coach). They have also won a BCS game in that span.


Here they are talking about how a "cloud" has affected our talent depth, when in reality, we have one of the most talented rosters in America, per statistics. Do we have a Bama, FSU, OSU rosters? No...but our roster has been better than 80% of the ACC for the past several years and we have not one ACC Coastal crown under our belts. Again, the cloud should've never been an excuse for us; numbers don't lie and the fact that we have a coach who is sub .400 against decent to top tier programs in his coaching career, has a 16-16 record against the much maligned ACC Division, and is a sub .500 coach for his coaching career has been and will always be the real cloud.
 
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If that fat piece of underqualified dog **** is going to continue to bring it up as an excuse then you have nothing to apologize for in regards to bringing it up.

The guy is a model for what NON-accountability looks like. Worst coach in the country and easily the worst in the history of this program.
 
+Repped. But we're talking about training tables. 8 wins. The coastal.

OSU is in the history books as the 1st to win the ship in the playoff era WITH REAL SANCTIONS and our coach is talking about lights and training tables.
 
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The cloud is the best thing that's happened to Golden since coming to miami,he will keep bringing it up until his last days here at the U.
 
I'm always shocked Bryan Harsin doesn't get more love in the "who should be the next Miami HC" threads.

Given some of the names people throw out, getting Harsin to leave Boise wouldn't seem to be that big of a stretch ...
 
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Good examples op.

This is info these Miami beat writers need to check his *** with.
 
Considering the collapse he has suffered since the cloud turned into a little cotton puff, Al should just admit he misses it.
 
I'll say it again: Golden continues to bring up the cloud and probation as a means of attempting to condition the market place for his job interviews next spring. He needs the marketplace to think UM was either under the cloud or formally on probation during his entire time at UM. The fact that we're only down one scholarship this year is meaningless. Golden just needs to keep touting that.


The worst part about it is that golden actually did yeoman's work in representing UM during the cloud phase. That was the high point in his career IMO. I think of him as UM's Winston Churchill. He was the guy, when all of UM's world was depressed and in fear, who came in and reminded us about our brand, our history, etc. That was his finest hour. If only the guy wasnt so arrogant and stubborn, he could have parlayed that into a real resume bullet point with the 2014 squad. Oh well, just like Churchill, as soon as the ****'s were defeated, the British people tossed him to the curb.

It all comes to an end on Friday, November 27th, 2015.
 
You can add Ga Tech to that list.

Paul Jonhson since '08 37-19 in the ACC, 4 first place Coastal finishes, two BCS bowls appearances, never had a recruiting class ranked higher than 41.
 
SFbayCane said:
I'll say it again: Golden continues to bring up the cloud and probation as a means of attempting to condition the market place for his job interviews next spring. He needs the marketplace to think UM was either under the cloud or formally on probation during his entire time at UM. The fact that we're only down one scholarship this year is meaningless. Golden just needs to keep touting that.


The worst part about it is that golden actually did yeoman's work in representing UM during the cloud phase. That was the high point in his career IMO. I think of him as UM's Winston Churchill. He was the guy, when all of UM's world was depressed and in fear, who came in and reminded us about our brand, our history, etc. That was his finest hour. If only the guy wasnt so arrogant and stubborn, he could have parlayed that into a real resume bullet point with the 2014 squad. Oh well, just like Churchill, as soon as the ****'s were defeated, the British people tossed him to the curb.

It all comes to an end on Friday, November 27th, 2015.
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[MENTION=270]SFbayCane[/MENTION]: solid points. However, I think he did try to parlay that into getting a HC job at Penn St. and PSU wasn't falling for it. If you can't succeed at the U with the richest recruiting area in your own back yard, then you're not meant to coach. Again, the cloud was never an issue.

Butch went 51-20 at UM with 30 lost scholarships. He won the Big East 3 out of 6 years under major sanctions, and went 4-0 in bowl games during that time. That's the difference between a real coach who manned up and the players took his queue, not allowing excuses to justify failure and what we have in Golden.
 
UNC under a similar cloud and still bringing in basketball and football recruits.
 
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Odin said:
The cloud is the best thing that's happened to Golden since coming to miami,he will keep bringing it up until his last days here at the U.
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I've been saying this since 2013. Alfruad was praying we got hammered.

If it wasnt for "the Cloud" - Alfraud would have long since been fired. he shoulda been fired after the 2013 season
 
SFbayCane said:
I'll say it again: Golden continues to bring up the cloud and probation as a means of attempting to condition the market place for his job interviews next spring. He needs the marketplace to think UM was either under the cloud or formally on probation during his entire time at UM. The fact that we're only down one scholarship this year is meaningless. Golden just needs to keep touting that.


The worst part about it is that golden actually did yeoman's work in representing UM during the cloud phase. That was the high point in his career IMO. I think of him as UM's Winston Churchill. He was the guy, when all of UM's world was depressed and in fear, who came in and reminded us about our brand, our history, etc. That was his finest hour. If only the guy wasnt so arrogant and stubborn, he could have parlayed that into a real resume bullet point with the 2014 squad. Oh well, just like Churchill, as soon as the ****'s were defeated, the British people tossed him to the curb.

It all comes to an end on Friday, November 27th, 2015.
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I really hope so, but I also am terrified of who this amateur admin hires
 
Rellyrell said:
SFbayCane said:
I'll say it again: Golden continues to bring up the cloud and probation as a means of attempting to condition the market place for his job interviews next spring. He needs the marketplace to think UM was either under the cloud or formally on probation during his entire time at UM. The fact that we're only down one scholarship this year is meaningless. Golden just needs to keep touting that.


The worst part about it is that golden actually did yeoman's work in representing UM during the cloud phase. That was the high point in his career IMO. I think of him as UM's Winston Churchill. He was the guy, when all of UM's world was depressed and in fear, who came in and reminded us about our brand, our history, etc. That was his finest hour. If only the guy wasnt so arrogant and stubborn, he could have parlayed that into a real resume bullet point with the 2014 squad. Oh well, just like Churchill, as soon as the ****'s were defeated, the British people tossed him to the curb.

It all comes to an end on Friday, November 27th, 2015.
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@SFbayCane: solid points. However, I think he did try to parlay that into getting a HC job at Penn St. and PSU wasn't falling for it. If you can't succeed at the U with the richest recruiting area in your own back yard, then you're not meant to coach. Again, the cloud was never an issue.

Butch went 51-20 at UM with 30 lost scholarships. He won the Big East 3 out of 6 years under major sanctions, and went 4-0 in bowl games during that time. That's the difference between a real coach who manned up and the players took his queue, not allowing excuses to justify failure and what we have in Golden.
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Im not sure that we're disagreeing on anything here. Although I do believe it IS fair to say that the cloud was a legit issue. You cannot have the national media storm that took place between yahoo sports and ESPN and not have it affect recruiting. To me, the thinking man's perspective is that rather than attack the issue head on, which golden *seemed* to do initially, he ended up trying to use the cloud as a means of covering up for his inability to win with the high degree of talent he had.

As for the PSU gig, I really cannot fault golden for pursuing that job. Given penn state's mindset, everyone had to think this was a once in a career opportunity. As we on this board continue to note over and over and over and over, a big part of golden's failing at UM are because he's too much of a jersey boy. Frankly, he belongs at Penn State or at least in that geographic region.
 
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