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Stylie said:
Nobody will fight him.
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I see a very flawed fighter. He punches hard and comes forward but doesn't know how to set anything up or set traps. He gets caught way too easy, but lucky for him he's fighting 40 year old dudes from Denmark and ****. He got wobbled in the second by that guy.

He's also lucky that Cruiserweight is the weakest division in all of boxing. I think David beats him so badly it'll look like Jai got jumped
 


Can't put Bernard Hopkins on this list & not have Roy Jones Jr on it as well.
 
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PUNCICANE said:
80's sweeps that outside of Usyk vs Tyson. And its too early to tell how good Ennis is, he's incredibly talented but literally fought no one.
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Usyk vs Prime Tyson????

There is no alternate reality where Usyk does anything with Prime Tyson.
 
Memnon said:
Usyk vs Prime Tyson????

There is no alternate reality where Usyk does anything with Prime Tyson.
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Mike Tyson had trouble with guys like Jose Ribalta and Razor Ruddock. And when he fought guys with an educated Jab like Douglas or Lennox, what happened? Or a skilled blown up light heavyweight like Evander? Usyk is Evander 5.0! Don’t let him being a white Eastern European fool you…
 
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Calicane02 said:
I think Bud and Shakur have a shot vs hagler and chavez
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Hagler is arguably the greatest middleweight ever. As great as Bud was as a lightweight, super LW and Welterweight, he had one fight at 154 and struggled to pull off a victory vs Madrimov. And Canelo.. well A. we haven't seen the best of him on 7-8 years (turning pro at 15 isn't great for longevity or having 39 fights by 21years old) and B. his career was carefully orchestrated, and he struggled every time he faced a true boxer, (Mayweather, Trout, Lara, Bud). Meanwhile Hagler fought Hearns, Leonard, Mugabi and Duran at middleweight.

Bud is a stud and the greatest switch-hitting boxer ever, but sadly he never had the dance partners that other greats had.

Shakur is a tough one to project. Shakur has been avoided by everyone, including Tank, which I think he cooks. He has that Pernell level talent of making people look bad. I think he has the best vision and defense in the game, although not the most entertaining at times. That being said, Chavez was a buzzsaw that loved coming forward and Shakur's style might match up well for him. Zepeda also loved coming forward and look was Shakur did. But Zepeda is no Chavez.

Boxing hypotheticals are always a trip.

I think Leonard and Duran cook that entire crew of 2020's outside of Usky. Duran is the greatest Lightweight in history and Leonard was one bad mother ****** with speed, power, rhythm and bad intentions.
 
Great insight, I definitely didn't remember haglers weight class as he was before my time but I've watched all his big fights, didn't know he was that much larger....but I think chavez would get frustrated by Shakur's defense and speed....hearns was my favorite of that era but he didn't have the chin if opps could survive his initial output
PUNCICANE said:
Hagler is arguably the greatest middleweight ever. As great as Bud was as a lightweight, super LW and Welterweight, he had one fight at 154 and struggled to pull off a victory vs Madrimov. And Canelo.. well A. we haven't seen the best of him on 7-8 years (turning pro at 15 isn't great for longevity or having 39 fights by 21years old) and B. his career was carefully orchestrated, and he struggled every time he faced a true boxer, (Mayweather, Trout, Lara, Bud). Meanwhile Hagler fought Hearns, Leonard, Mugabi and Duran at middleweight.

Bud is a stud and the greatest switch-hitting boxer ever, but sadly he never had the dance partners that other greats had.

Shakur is a tough one to project. Shakur has been avoided by everyone, including Tank, which I think he cooks. He has that Pernell level talent of making people look bad. I think he has the best vision and defense in the game, although not the most entertaining at times. That being said, Chavez was a buzzsaw that loved coming forward and Shakur's style might match up well for him. Zepeda also loved coming forward and look was Shakur did. But Zepeda is no Chavez.

Boxing hypotheticals are always a trip.

I think Leonard and Duran cook that entire crew of 2020's outside of Usky. Duran is the greatest Lightweight in history and Leonard was one bad mother ****** with speed, power, rhythm and bad intentions.
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Calicane02 said:
Great insight, I definitely didn't remember haglers weight class as he was before my time but I've watched all his big fights, didn't know he was that much larger....but I think chavez would get frustrated by Shakur's defense and speed....hearns was my favorite of that era but he didn't have the chin if opps could survive his initial output
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Hearns was a victim of Detroit gym wars too. Lots of fighters got ruined in the gym, especially ones that cut a lot. They used to cut out water 2 months before the fights, dehydrating their brains and causing massive CTE. Hearns' brain was destroyed at a young age. By the time he reached Canelo's current age, he couldn't even walk without stumbling. Thank God we have science now and systems in place to protect against that. Now fighters drink water like crazy up until 2 days before the fight and then rehydrate for 36 hours before their fights.
 
Stylie said:
Usk over Tyson late especially if Tyson couldn’t KO him early. Usyk is really good.
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PRIME Tyson???

85-89 Tyson???

Cus D'Amato/Kevin Rooney trained Tyson???

Yeah idk about that. I don't think there was a fighter that had more explosive punching power than that version of Tyson, since Earnie Shavers.

Regardless of how good Usyk is, he's not beating PRIME 80's Tyson.

No one is; except for Ali.
 
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