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The Beck throw....

BRockCane98 said:
I'm not 100% on that. Brown was still in position to be between Beck and Fisher (blitzing Mike). If Beck steps out to his left McCoy can push Fisher up field as he turns to pursue. You might be right though. McCoy definitely wiffed and it would have been very close if he tried to escape the pocket.

Toney was open when he released the ball to Marion or at least in position to be thrown open. If he throws it to the referee or just to his left Toney can make the catch and then IU's LB'ers have the enviable task of corral'ing him in the open field. Who knows how far he takes it. I would say at minimum it's 1st down at the 30 and possibly closer to the 20.
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If you forward that photo 2 more frames the DE/DT is past Brown.

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DoctorKrazey said:
Then again, if we don’t give up the blocked punt, or miss the FG earlier, or the defense doesn’t jump offsides which eventually led to an Indiana TD. There’s just so many “what if’s” in this game it can drive you crazy thinking about it.
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Precisely, too many miscues against a team like IU to overcome, we beat ourselves...the rest is just semantics.
 
CBurrr93 said:
Dead horse, but my opinion on the matter is he should’ve stared down Toney every snap and if he’s not there launch it into row 12
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This. 100%. You put the ball in the hands of your best playmaker — and do something underneath that is a safer throw with that much time left.
 
ssvir said:
If you forward that photo 2 more frames the DE/DT is past Brown.

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McCoy saw Beck throwing it and stopped otherwise he's in better position. If Beck is trying to escape to his left McCoy might have been able to push him up the field when he turned to try and escape. I said though that you might be right. Beck trying to escape the blitzing LB'er, route would be to his left and then up field, would have been razor close.
 
BRockCane98 said:


Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.
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He has a dead arm. That is my conclusion on what we saw in the playoffs. It’s like a pitcher returning from injury that’s put in a pitch limit.

His arm was weak to start the year from the injury and short camp, middle of the year seem to be better and it just ran out of gas in the playoffs. He couldn’t make the deep passes. That’s why I’m not even upset at how it all ended. It was an amazing run by the team with a QB and offense that was limited in the passing game. He had it wide open if he just ripped it to the end zone the way Tua did to win bama their championship. It was the same exact throw just Beck was 20yds short.
 
BeastMode said:
He has a dead arm. That is my conclusion on what we saw in the playoffs. It’s like a pitcher returning from injury that’s put in a pitch limit.

His arm was weak to start the year from the injury and short camp, middle of the year seem to be better and it just ran out of gas in the playoffs. He couldn’t make the deep passes. That’s why I’m not even upset at how it all ended. It was an amazing run by the team with a QB and offense that was limited in the passing game. He had it wide open if he just ripped it to the end zone the way Tua did to win bama their championship. It was the same exact throw just Beck was 20yds short.
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Not the same exact throw. Tua was near hash Beck was far hash.

Both were basically on 47 or 48 yard line.

Tua threw it a little under 50. I'm talking about the ball at a height where the receiver can catch it. Obviously it would have gone a 4-5 yards further but hitting the receiver in the foot doesn't help anything.

Becks throw, to get it to the goal line, was 58 yards

The safety on Beck's throw was also in better position meaning the throw needs to be more of a strike (higher velocity). I know 8-9 yards doesn't seem like a ton but when you are talking about a throw that's already on the edge of a QB's range it is.
 
BRockCane98 said:


Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.
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Sooo if he’s asking too much for Beck to let it go… wtf would Mario say that was the right read and expect Beck to make the throw????
 
Carson intended and aimed for the pylon.

He didn't have the strength to get it there bc of his elbow.

It is what it is.

He was playing to win. Unlike our coaches who predominantly coach scared "not to lose" and put us in the situation by running up the middle the entire first half netting us 0 points.

Carson is a Cane and I'll defend him to the end.

Why couldn't the line block simple stunting?

Why didn't they have Brown out there to force the CB to stay down?

Why didn't he anticipate Toney?

You can pick this apart all you want.

Dont care.

Not blaming the QB who miracled us to the Natty despite inept coaching and a deficient elbow.
 
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taaliyah97 said:
Sooo if he’s asking too much for Beck to let it go… wtf would Mario say that was the right read and expect Beck to make the throw????
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What's the alternative? Saying Beck not only made a bad throw, obvious, but also saying it was a bad read. No coach is gonna do that.

In a 3x1 set if the iso'ed X can take up two defenders, CB and weak safety, that's a good trade and goes a long way to opening up the middle of the field. I don't believe that Dawson/Mario wanted Beck to throw that ball. I think Beck made a bad decision and that throw, and no I don't think that was the best throw Beck could have made, was simply beyond what he's capable of doing at least with any degree of consistency.
 
BRockCane98 said:
McCoy saw Beck throwing it and stopped otherwise he's in better position. If Beck is trying to escape to his left McCoy might have been able to push him up the field when he turned to try and escape. I said though that you might be right. Beck trying to escape the blitzing LB'er, route would be to his left and then up field, would have been razor close.
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LOL. McCoy was cooked on a spin move as soon as the ball was snapped. Only reason Beck got the pass off is Marty Brown picked up the rushing LB.
 
Beck missed by a foot and a half maybe on a throw that was 41 yards in the air. If the corner doesn't sky to make the int that might have been a td. It is what it is..
 
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BRockCane98 said:


Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.
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Then Beck shouldn’t have thrown it. You can’t get around that.
 
ssvir said:
LOL. McCoy was cooked on a spin move as soon as the ball was snapped. Only reason Beck got the pass off is Marty Brown picked up the rushing LB.
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Yeah he was but that doesn't mean he disappears and can no longer participate in the play. He turned around and after Brown collision'ed the LB'er McCoy was in position to possibly push him up field had Beck tried to escape to his left.
 
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BRockCane98 said:


Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.
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Coach Hayes does Gods work with those videos.
 
Well Becks QB coach was on the radio and stated beck threw it to where he intended. Didnt think the db would get deep enough and some miscommunication. Now I will say he probably is bias but generally a straight shooter.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Who's trying to get around it? I don't think those saying "right decision bad throw" realize that it's a throw, just under 60 yards and it can't be a rainbow, that takes elite arm talent.
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There are people who are, I’ve debated many of them since the game. It was a bad throw. It shouldn’t have been thrown by Carson Beck, and it can’t really be considered the right decision if the QB can’t physically make the throw.
 
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